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Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:52 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:no-one compared Taarabt to Helguson! read his post again

Have you ever thought why Taarabt so good for QPR when they won the title...........So whats he got to do with helguson then totally diffrent player :ayatollah:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:52 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Fair play, if none of you can see what Helguson did for the team tonight, then you don't have a clue about football.!

This is all i needed to read it was enough for me :roll:


Perhaps you should read the rest of what I've said to explain to you why Helguson is such a valuable asset to the team. Have you ever thought why Taarabt so good for QPR when they won the title? I'm not one to have a go, but I am absolutely flabbergasted Helguson is getting stick from so many tonight. You do realise he set up our winning goal don't you? :roll:

I dont rate him all he does in my eyes is lay the ball off theres many of strikers who can do that, opinions is what its all about :ayatollah:


Many target men can TRY to lay the ball off. The difference is Helguson DOES lay the ball off. When the ball is played up to a striker, you want the striker to use his strength to hold the defender off and either head it to a fellow player, or bring the ball down with a good touch while under pressure from the opposing defender and still be able to retain possession. Helguson does this brilliantly and gives time for our attacking players to receive the ball from him in dangerous positions. Lesser players might get outmuscled, take up the wrong position to receive the ball or would fail to be able to bring the ball down and retain possession, but helguson doesn't. Next time you watch us and see us creating chances, watch Helguson a bit more closer and you'll see the reason we have got into the attacking position in the first place to create the chance was because Helguson put himself about, flicked the ball on, held the ball up, linked the play etc. Even if Helguson doesn't win a header, which is very rare, he still puts the defender off to give a weak header clear. Helguson is heavily involved in starting all our attacking play and as I've said, I honestly don't think the Bellamy's, Noone's, Mason's etc would look as dangerous without Helguson in the team doing his job.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:54 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:no-one compared Taarabt to Helguson! read his post again

nobody said he had,what i said was he is a different type of player,taarabt was as valuable to qpr as bellamy is to us,and i think that helgurson needs to be more involved,i understand that he is not a bellamy,but all to often adding nothing to the game....

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:55 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
krabb wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Fair play, if none of you can see what Helguson did for the team tonight, then you don't have a clue about football.!

This is all i needed to read it was enough for me :roll:


Perhaps you should read the rest of what I've said to explain to you why Helguson is such a valuable asset to the team. Have you ever thought why Taarabt so good for QPR when they won the title? I'm not one to have a go, but I am absolutely flabbergasted Helguson is getting stick from so many tonight. You do realise he set up our winning goal don't you? :roll:

sorry,but taarabt a completley different player

Of course he is he can do more than lay the ball off, he can run with it, take people on, turn away from players, score from nothing positions plus many other things in my eyes which are all the things helguson can not do, thats why i never went on about it, just opinions on players is where we all differ :ayatollah:

Jesus Christ, you are actually thick


Oh Dafydd Williams the only gay in the village please f**k off with your silly comments or maybe enligten me to why im thick now, is this because helguson is not Taarabt :lol:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:57 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:no-one compared Taarabt to Helguson! read his post again


Thanks Craig. The point I'm making is the main reason Taarabt was able to perform so well for QPR was because he had Helguson playing in front of him! Helguson was largely responsible for Taarabt getting into all the dangerous positions just outside the box to create and score.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:00 pm

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:no-one compared Taarabt to Helguson! read his post again


Thanks Craig. The point I'm making is the main reason Taarabt was able to perform so well for QPR was because he had Helguson playing in front of him! Helguson was largely responsible for Taarabt getting into all the dangerous positions just outside the box to create and score.

il watch more closely,and see what i think next game :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:00 pm

Thought Helguson did well tonight and doesn't deserve this!

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:05 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:Thought Helguson did well tonight and doesn't deserve this!

Oh god , what next chuckle, a mins applause, helguson t-shirts, maybe a whip around for a prezzie for him, WTF is wrong with some fans we are saying an opinion on a player so what is it he does not deserve as you put it :?: , i think hes shit along with others who do not rate him yet some say diffrent and rate him who think hes good all round, its a message board for f**k sake tuck your teeth in.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:07 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:Thought Helguson did well tonight and doesn't deserve this!

Oh god , what next chuckle, a mins applause, helguson t-shirts, maybe a whip around for a prezzie for him, WTF is wrong with some fans we are saying an opinion on a player so what is it he does not deserve as you put it :?: , i think hes shit along with others who do not rate him yet some say diffrent and rate him who think hes good all round, its a message board for f**k sake tuck your teeth in.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :ayatollah:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:07 pm

Barry Chuckle wrote:Thought Helguson did well tonight and doesn't deserve this!


He did better than well. The man is a beast.

If he does not win the ball he for sure makes the defenders job very hard.

Without him and payers like Hudson ths team would not be where they are now.

Oh, by the way. That's TOP OF THE LEAGUE.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:08 pm

krabb wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:no-one compared Taarabt to Helguson! read his post again


Thanks Craig. The point I'm making is the main reason Taarabt was able to perform so well for QPR was because he had Helguson playing in front of him! Helguson was largely responsible for Taarabt getting into all the dangerous positions just outside the box to create and score.

il watch more closely,and see what i think next game :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Thanks Krabb, I hope if you watch him more closely next time you will see what I see and appreciate what he does. Fair play to you for giving him a chance and not totally dismissing him like the others who are slating him. :ayatollah:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:08 pm

You need a Helguson if you're playing two up front. You need one even more in a 4-5-1.

Back to goal, keep it simple, use your body well, good first touch, hold the ball up and lay it off.

Ideally, you have a striker who can do all that and also has a bit of pace and trickery but how many of those are there? How many in the championship? Enough to count on one hand? Maybe.

Gestede is a fail. His touch isn't there and he doesn't use his body well enough (yet). Velikonja is an unknown quantity. Maynard is done. So who else do we play there?

No choice lads. Helguson will be there until we get someone else in on loan or in January.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:24 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
krabb wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:This is all i needed to read it was enough for me :roll:


Perhaps you should read the rest of what I've said to explain to you why Helguson is such a valuable asset to the team. Have you ever thought why Taarabt so good for QPR when they won the title? I'm not one to have a go, but I am absolutely flabbergasted Helguson is getting stick from so many tonight. You do realise he set up our winning goal don't you? :roll:

sorry,but taarabt a completley different player

Of course he is he can do more than lay the ball off, he can run with it, take people on, turn away from players, score from nothing positions plus many other things in my eyes which are all the things helguson can not do, thats why i never went on about it, just opinions on players is where we all differ :ayatollah:

Jesus Christ, you are actually thick


Oh Dafydd Williams the only gay in the village please f**k off with your silly comments or maybe enligten me to why im thick now, is this because helguson is not Taarabt :lol:

How old are you? 12?

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:28 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:How old are you? 12?


I was wondering that about you tbh, your 1st post in this thread was calling me thick because you do not agree or was that the easy answer, so enlighten me.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:35 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:How old are you? 12?


I was wondering that about you tbh, your 1st post in this thread was calling me thick because you do not agree or was that the easy answer, so enlighten me.

The standard of your grammar, punctuation and even spelling leaves much to be desired, but your total failure to see that Tonteg Bluebird wasn't comparing Helguson to Taarabt and that Helguson is a good player who significantly contributes to the team is staggering.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:39 pm

Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:How old are you? 12?


I was wondering that about you tbh, your 1st post in this thread was calling me thick because you do not agree or was that the easy answer, so enlighten me.

The standard of your grammar, punctuation and even spelling leaves much to be desired, but your total failure to see that Tonteg Bluebird wasn't comparing Helguson to Taarabt and that Helguson is a good player who significantly contributes to the team is staggering.

Are you taking the piss, look at the caps in this above :oops: . :lol: I dont rate him thats it weather you like it or not i couldnt gave a flying f**k, but i suppose your first post "thick" said it all about you.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:42 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Cwmann_Bluebird wrote:How old are you? 12?


I was wondering that about you tbh, your 1st post in this thread was calling me thick because you do not agree or was that the easy answer, so enlighten me.

The standard of your grammar, punctuation and even spelling leaves much to be desired, but your total failure to see that Tonteg Bluebird wasn't comparing Helguson to Taarabt and that Helguson is a good player who significantly contributes to the team is staggering.

Are you taking the piss, look at the caps in this above :oops: . :lol: I dont rate him thats it weather you like it or not i couldnt gave a flying f**k, but i suppose your first post "thick" said it all about you.

What? :?

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:14 am

bluebird1977 wrote:
Barry Chuckle wrote:Thought Helguson did well tonight and doesn't deserve this!

Oh god , what next chuckle, a mins applause, helguson t-shirts, maybe a whip around for a prezzie for him, WTF is wrong with some fans we are saying an opinion on a player so what is it he does not deserve as you put it :?: , i think hes shit along with others who do not rate him yet some say diffrent and rate him who think hes good all round, its a message board for f**k sake tuck your teeth in.


So you're having a go at me because I don't agree with you, then moan about people having different view points?

You're a bright spark aren't you? :lol:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:35 am

I agree that Helguson does play an important part of our team and his ability to bring others into play is good.
However, I do think playing him for more than an hour is a mistake. The guy looks fooked. I personally would like to see City 2nd half keep the ball on the deck and bring on Etien to keep their cb's turning.
My only fear about Helguson is he's not much of a goal threat himself. He's not going to bag 20+ goals a season. Shouldn't all good strikers be able to link up play AND score a few?
When we play hoofball, then Helguson or Gestede will do ok. Pass and move... Joe Mason or Etien Velikonja every time for me.

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:43 am

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Fair play, if none of you can see what Helguson did for the team tonight, then you don't have a clue about football. Helguson is a warrior, he threw his head in to create our winning goal. He won countless headers, battled, linked the play and allowed Bellamy, Mason, Noone, Whittingham and Gunnarsson to get into attacking positions. We wouldn't spend half the time in the attacking third if Helguson wasn't on the pitch. He is exceptional at what he does. Mark my words, if Helguson gets injured for a few games, those of you slating him will be begging for him to come back when we stop getting into the attacking positions Helguson puts us in. Without Helguson, the ball won't be held up as much and every long ball hit forwards (I lost count how many we played today) will be coming straight back at us!


Helgusons job is to drag defenders into wars. To create space. To slow play
down up the top of the pitch long enough for supporting players to arrive.
So we end up with more options.

Nine games - nine different goalscorers. End of thread

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:15 am

i quite like helguson, but would like to try another option up front

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:19 am

Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Fair play, if none of you can see what Helguson did for the team tonight, then you don't have a clue about football. Helguson is a warrior, he threw his head in to create our winning goal. He won countless headers, battled, linked the play and allowed Bellamy, Mason, Noone, Whittingham and Gunnarsson to get into attacking positions. We wouldn't spend half the time in the attacking third if Helguson wasn't on the pitch. He is exceptional at what he does. Mark my words, if Helguson gets injured for a few games, those of you slating him will be begging for him to come back when we stop getting into the attacking positions Helguson puts us in. Without Helguson, the ball won't be held up as much and every long ball hit forwards (I lost count how many we played today) will be coming straight back at us!


Well said mate, Personally think he is doing a great job for the team :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:23 am

BOWMAN wrote:
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Fair play, if none of you can see what Helguson did for the team tonight, then you don't have a clue about football. Helguson is a warrior, he threw his head in to create our winning goal. He won countless headers, battled, linked the play and allowed Bellamy, Mason, Noone, Whittingham and Gunnarsson to get into attacking positions. We wouldn't spend half the time in the attacking third if Helguson wasn't on the pitch. He is exceptional at what he does. Mark my words, if Helguson gets injured for a few games, those of you slating him will be begging for him to come back when we stop getting into the attacking positions Helguson puts us in. Without Helguson, the ball won't be held up as much and every long ball hit forwards (I lost count how many we played today) will be coming straight back at us!


Well said mate, Personally think he is doing a great job for the team :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

one major diff last night.you knocked it into h.h .it stuck one way or another.we knocked it into lita and a lot of the time it didn,h.h or a player of that ilk is paramont to how you set up to play.other players have time to join the attacks as he looks after the ball till they get closer.strong player

Re: helgerson needs to get involved

Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:13 pm

:ayatollah: