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Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:22 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The creators of threads like these are more sad than the Jacks themselves, we all say we couldn't give a f**k about the Jacks but time after time these types of cringeworthy threads are being made.

:old:


No need for that 48 :lol:, the creator was probably doing no more than extending our condolences to our Welsh brethren down the coast.

After all, it does look like their new manager hasn't got a clue and really took his eye off the ball with the players he brought in.


And you base that on?

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:23 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The creators of threads like these are more sad than the Jacks themselves, we all say we couldn't give a f**k about the Jacks but time after time these types of cringeworthy threads are being made.

:old:


No need for that 48 :lol:, the creator was probably doing no more than extending our condolences to our Welsh brethren down the coast.

After all, it does look like their new manager hasn't got a clue and really took his eye off the ball with the players he brought in.


And you base that on?


Which bit? Or both?

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:26 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:
Bluebird since 1948 wrote:The creators of threads like these are more sad than the Jacks themselves, we all say we couldn't give a f**k about the Jacks but time after time these types of cringeworthy threads are being made.

:old:


No need for that 48 :lol:, the creator was probably doing no more than extending our condolences to our Welsh brethren down the coast.

After all, it does look like their new manager hasn't got a clue and really took his eye off the ball with the players he brought in.


And you base that on?


Which bit? Or both?


Both

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:38 pm

Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:52 pm

Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:00 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


Time will tell on a lot of this stuff.

On point 2, I guess quality is the distinguishing factor.

I think he went for quality where you were already strongest (midfield, notwithstanding the two high profile exits), but neglected the defence.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:00 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


also do you think some players brought in are up to premier standard? just curious as really got them cheap and nobody else were sniffing around them except malasian player! were they bought just because laudrup new them? just like malkies done with city!

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:01 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


also do you think some players brought in are up to premier standard? just curious as really got them cheap and nobody else were sniffing around them except malasian player! were they bought just because laudrup new them? just like malkies done with city!


What Malaysian player? :?

Which ones that he has brought in are you suggesting are not up to standard?

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:08 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


Time will tell on a lot of this stuff.

On point 2, I guess quality is the distinguishing factor.

I think he went for quality where you were already strongest (midfield, notwithstanding the two high profile exits), but neglected the defence.


He has only brought in one additional midfielder compared to last year (Sinclair, Siggy & Allen out, Hernandez, de Guzman, Michu & Ki in)

The defence certainly hasn't been neglected and is stronger depth wise than last year (Caulker out, Chico & Bartley in) but has suffered from injuries & suspensions all happening at the same time.

The one area that does concern me is up front as Graham looks off the pace and there isn't really much in the squad after him.

The squad as a whole is stronger.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:11 pm

Frankly, I think you were lucky you didn't get more injuries at the back last year. The only addition at the back is Bartley, if as you say Chico for Caulker is a wash. Remains to be seen if he's good enough.

If everyone's fit, remind me again who your third choice centre back is?

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:12 pm

Damned Yank wrote:Frankly, I think you were lucky you didn't get more injuries at the back last year. The only addition at the back is Bartley, if as you say Chico for Caulker is a wash. Remains to be seen if he's good enough.

If everyone's fit, remind me again who your third choice centre back is?


Bartley.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:20 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Frankly, I think you were lucky you didn't get more injuries at the back last year. The only addition at the back is Bartley, if as you say Chico for Caulker is a wash. Remains to be seen if he's good enough.

If everyone's fit, remind me again who your third choice centre back is?


Bartley.


Which brings me back to my point on quality.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:20 pm

NJ73 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


also do you think some players brought in are up to premier standard? just curious as really got them cheap and nobody else were sniffing around them except malasian player! were they bought just because laudrup new them? just like malkies done with city!


What Malaysian player? :?

Which ones that he has brought in are you suggesting are not up to standard?


ooopps meant korean player! was asking you if you think are players hes brought in are up to premiership? ive no idea as dont watch you at all

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:23 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


also do you think some players brought in are up to premier standard? just curious as really got them cheap and nobody else were sniffing around them except malasian player! were they bought just because laudrup new them? just like malkies done with city!


What Malaysian player? :?

Which ones that he has brought in are you suggesting are not up to standard?


ooopps meant korean player! was asking you if you think are players hes brought in are up to premiership? ive no idea as dont watch you at all


Ki yes. De Guzman yes. Hernandez yes. Michu yes. Chico yes. Bartley jury out. Schecter no.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:24 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Frankly, I think you were lucky you didn't get more injuries at the back last year. The only addition at the back is Bartley, if as you say Chico for Caulker is a wash. Remains to be seen if he's good enough.

If everyone's fit, remind me again who your third choice centre back is?


Bartley.


Which brings me back to my point on quality.


Would you say he is better than Tate or Monk who were the next in line last year? I don't know yet as I've only seen him v Barnsley in the cup and he looked solid then but against lower league opposition obviously.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:25 pm

NJ73 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Part one: his tactics and the way he sets up your team, especially in last few games. Dropping Briton and Dyer today for example, was a real head scratcher and it completely screwed the system (esp Britton... Left you with no one in the link position or at least no one who knew how to play it and to be fair, it's your most important position) Then he second guessed himself by taking Pablo off at half time.

Part two: As i've said multiple times before, the way he's used your resources has left you woefully under staffed at the back. You saw that today. Let's hope that Dutch left back, who we are yet to see, has some ability.

He was mentally weak as a player, the only real chink in his armour. You're seeing some of that now IMO.


1) I thought he was right to leave Britton out so Ki could keep an eye on Fellaini. It didn't work out but last season Fellaini ruined Britton as you would expect with the size difference. Ki was our best player on the day. Pablo looked off the pace so it wasn't a great surprise to see him taken off.

2) We're not understaffed at the back we've got 4 defenders out and one playing on one leg. How many defenders should a squad have? We're stretched there at the moment but any squad would be with that many unavailable in the same area.

As for mentally weak, time will tell on that one.


also do you think some players brought in are up to premier standard? just curious as really got them cheap and nobody else were sniffing around them except malasian player! were they bought just because laudrup new them? just like malkies done with city!


What Malaysian player? :?

Which ones that he has brought in are you suggesting are not up to standard?


ooopps meant korean player! was asking you if you think are players hes brought in are up to premiership? ive no idea as dont watch you at all


Ki yes. De Guzman yes. Hernandez yes. Michu yes. Chico yes. Bartley jury out. Schecter no.


thankyou, as dont watch your team was just wondering as he doesnt seem to have spent alot for them?

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:27 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
thankyou, as dont watch your team was just wondering as he doesnt seem to have spent alot for them?


The Spanish market where most of them have come from is cheap pickings at the moment due to the financial problems there. And most of them want to play for Laudrup which is why we got them ahead of other sides.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:32 pm

NJ73 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
thankyou, as dont watch your team was just wondering as he doesnt seem to have spent alot for them?


The Spanish market where most of them have come from is cheap pickings at the moment due to the financial problems there. And most of them want to play for Laudrup which is why we got them ahead of other sides.


sounds like malkies way buying players he knows! anyway off to bed thanks for decent conversation dont get many from swans fans! :D
ps for what its worth dont mind you being in premier but have feeling you will struggle to stay up! :P

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:35 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Frankly, I think you were lucky you didn't get more injuries at the back last year. The only addition at the back is Bartley, if as you say Chico for Caulker is a wash. Remains to be seen if he's good enough.

If everyone's fit, remind me again who your third choice centre back is?


Bartley.


Which brings me back to my point on quality.


Would you say he is better than Tate or Monk who were the next in line last year? I don't know yet as I've only seen him v Barnsley in the cup and he looked solid then but against lower league opposition obviously.


If I were you I would hope so. His career with Rangers wouldn't fill me with confidence.

The biggest concern for me, if I was a jack, would be his messing with the system. If you go down, that will be why.

Odd to me, that he would tinker with the thing that you get your strength from the most.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:39 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:Frankly, I think you were lucky you didn't get more injuries at the back last year. The only addition at the back is Bartley, if as you say Chico for Caulker is a wash. Remains to be seen if he's good enough.

If everyone's fit, remind me again who your third choice centre back is?


Bartley.


Which brings me back to my point on quality.


Would you say he is better than Tate or Monk who were the next in line last year? I don't know yet as I've only seen him v Barnsley in the cup and he looked solid then but against lower league opposition obviously.


If I were you I would hope so. His career with Rangers wouldn't fill me with confidence.

The biggest concern for me, if I was a jack, would be his messing with the system. If you go down, that will be why.

Odd to me, that he would tinker with the thing that you get your strength from the most.


The only real thing that has changed from last year is tucking the wingers in a little narrower to get them more involved. It's worked perfectly well up to, and to a certain extent, including today. We created 5 or 6 great chances but couldn't put them away, same as at Villa.

That and not trying to play ridiculous football at the back when under pressure.

Our problem at the moment stems from the defensive cover. Chico back next Sat and we'll need him against Stoke.

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:32 am

Defensively awful yesterday. Williams is crocked and Tate is, well Tate!

Do think you'll struggle this season and certainly won't be European places like some of your fans suggest!

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:21 pm

Just warming this one up

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:57 pm

jacks, once again our commiserations :(

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:13 pm

I feel for our six fingered friends!

At least we have a Jack Free board till Tuesday, bless each and every one of them :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:55 pm

this damned yank fella don't half start a lot of swansea threads :lol:

Re: Unlucky Jacks

Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:20 pm

waddle wrote:this damned yank fella don't half start a lot of swansea threads :lol:


Two... Prolific :lol: