SAM HAMMAM MOVING GOALPOSTS

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

Some people would rather see Cardiff City in the same shoes as Pompey. They also seem to forget all the good things that VT has done for our club and the money he has spent.

In my opinion VT's is the best thing that has ever happened to Cardiff City in my lifetime.

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

But we are playing in Blue this season so how is TG lying

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

Who is paying Bellamy's wages.

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

Some people would rather see Cardiff City in the same shoes as Pompey. They also seem to forget all the good things that VT has done for our club and the money he has spent.

In my opinion VT's is the best thing that has ever happened to Cardiff City in my lifetime.

As of yet he has only added it on to the debt FACT !!

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

That statement was when the investment was off and they would look for new investors. Fans then supported the rebrand for VT investment so back on. The fans backing can be seen from the many posts and shirt sales etc.

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

One man's investment is another man's debt. We can argue apples and pears if you want to, but at the end of the day if TG/VT hadn't added to our debt/investment we would-not have seen any new players this summer and could have easily have ended up in Admin.

Calling TG a liar based on the 10th May club statement is very narrow minded and relay’s on using only part of that narrative which otherwise gave a full explanation to why the rebrand was not going ahead meaning there was no reason to change from Blue this season. That statement was reversed when the decision was taken by a majority of fans accept the rebrand.

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

But we are playing in Blue this season so how is TG lying

WE ARE PLAYING IN RED AND YOU KNOW IT. That post Chief is patronising and bullshit

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

Some people would rather see Cardiff City in the same shoes as Pompey. They also seem to forget all the good things that VT has done for our club and the money he has spent.

In my opinion VT's is the best thing that has ever happened to Cardiff City in my lifetime.

As of yet he has only added it on to the debt FACT !!

I can not imagine any bank lending Cardiff City £35,000 a week to pay Craig Bellamy, FACT. Therefore the £35,000 a week must be coming out of VT's bank account. FACT.

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

Some people would rather see Cardiff City in the same shoes as Pompey. They also seem to forget all the good things that VT has done for our club and the money he has spent.

In my opinion VT's is the best thing that has ever happened to Cardiff City in my lifetime.

As of yet he has only added it on to the debt FACT !!

I can not imagine any bank lending Cardiff City £35,000 a week to pay Craig Bellamy, FACT. Therefore the £35,000 a week must be coming out of VT's bank account. FACT.

Magners yes its come out of his pocket but it has gone down as a loan against Cardiff City at 7 % Absolute FACT !!!

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

But we are playing in Blue this season so how is TG lying

WE ARE PLAYING IN RED AND YOU KNOW IT. That post Chief is patronising and bullshit

Tg said we will play in blue he didn't say it' was at home and in business the devil is in the detail.

you are taking this way to seriously and need to get some perspective in your life

T.G WE WILL BE PLAYING IN BLUE NEXT SEASON = ONE FAT LIAR

Don't forget that there would be no further investment either, no Bellamy, no Kim Bo, no signings at all.

Yep hell of a porkie pier old TG.

He is a grade A liar. And Bellamy instigated his own move here. The Malaysians have just added his transfer to our Debt.

But we are playing in Blue this season so how is TG lying

WE ARE PLAYING IN RED AND YOU KNOW IT. That post Chief is patronising and bullshit

Tg said we will play in blue he didn't say it' was at home and in business the devil is in the detail.

you are taking this way to seriously and need to get some perspective in your life

WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THAT IS THE ONLY THING I COULD DO.

Magners yes its come out of his pocket but it has gone down as a loan against Cardiff City at 7 % Absolute FACT !!!

Nobody is arguing that point and TBH for as long as I can remember CCFC has lived off debt. What you fail to understand is that for the first time ever we have a potential owner who has a vision to turn that debt into equity.

Whilst the investment remains in the form of debt it costs the club the going rate of 7% (the same rate that PMG & Langston charge). The money is never taken out of our bank account but is instead rolled over onto the debt we already have and will eventually be turned into equity.

Frankly we are very lucky to have a VT and it is about the rest of us understood that.

Magners yes its come out of his pocket but it has gone down as a loan against Cardiff City at 7 % Absolute FACT !!!

Nobody is arguing that point and TBH for as long as I can remember CCFC has lived off debt. What you fail to understand is that for the first time ever we have a potential owner who has a vision to turn that debt into equity.

Whilst the investment remains in the form of debt it costs the club the going rate of 7% (the same rate that PMG & Langston charge). The money is never taken out of our bank account but is instead rolled over onto the debt we already have and will eventually be turned into equity.

Frankly we are very lucky to have a VT and it is about the rest of us understood that.

I do cringe when people bring up the 7%
As if any businessman would charge less interest than another company (Langston) who had previously took the club to court.

Magners yes its come out of his pocket but it has gone down as a loan against Cardiff City at 7 % Absolute FACT !!!

Nobody is arguing that point and TBH for as long as I can remember CCFC has lived off debt. What you fail to understand is that for the first time ever we have a potential owner who has a vision to turn that debt into equity.

Whilst the investment remains in the form of debt it costs the club the going rate of 7% (the same rate that PMG & Langston charge). The money is never taken out of our bank account but is instead rolled over onto the debt we already have and will eventually be turned into equity.

Frankly we are very lucky to have a VT and it is about the rest of us understood that.

I do cringe when people bring up the 7%
As if any businessman would charge less interest than another company (Langston) who had previously took the club to court.

Couldn't agree more. Also VT would be prefectly entitled to charge a lot more than 7% considering the credit worthiness of CCFC.

Magners yes its come out of his pocket but it has gone down as a loan against Cardiff City at 7 % Absolute FACT !!!

Nobody is arguing that point and TBH for as long as I can remember CCFC has lived off debt. What you fail to understand is that for the first time ever we have a potential owner who has a vision to turn that debt into equity.

Whilst the investment remains in the form of debt it costs the club the going rate of 7% (the same rate that PMG & Langston charge). The money is never taken out of our bank account but is instead rolled over onto the debt we already have and will eventually be turned into equity.

Frankly we are very lucky to have a VT and it is about the rest of us understood that.

Yes we have. But a few million in debt = oh dear 30 million in debt = oh dear dear 90 million in debt = joining Newport County at best.

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,
without seeing all the documentation/notes of meetings/conversations it is impossible for anyone but the parties directly involved to be categorical on this one way or the other.
TG's stance is that it's Sam who's been moving the goalposts.Stated openly at today's AGM, not indirectly through this message board.

Well if TG says it's Sam moving the goalposts it must be true. The last statement that guy said was we would remain Blue !!
Hmmm

Which wasn't a lie!

Well if TG says it's Sam moving the goalposts it must be true. The last statement that guy said was we would remain Blue !!
Hmmm

Which wasn't a lie!

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,
without seeing all the documentation/notes of meetings/conversations it is impossible for anyone but the parties directly involved to be categorical on this one way or the other.
TG's stance is that it's Sam who's been moving the goalposts.Stated openly at today's AGM, not indirectly through this message board.

Plus the club seem happy enough to publicise exactly what their offers are wheras Sam prefers to speak through Carl or Annis, where he can easily backtrack leaving them to carry the can.

Lets be honest we all only know what we are told.

Well if TG says it's Sam moving the goalposts it must be true. The last statement that guy said was we would remain Blue !!
Hmmm

Which wasn't a lie!

To constitute it being a lie he would have had to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will be in blue. He changed his mind back once he saw the support from the fans, that doesn't constitute him lying in the first place!

The truth does come out in the end look at some statements sam hammam made when he was here then the truth came out

Well if TG says it's Sam moving the goalposts it must be true. The last statement that guy said was we would remain Blue !!
Hmmm

Which wasn't a lie!

To constitute it being a lie he would have had to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will be in blue. He changed his mind back once he saw the support from the fans, that doesn't constitute him lying in the first place!

EXACTLY Chief !! "To constitute a lie he would have to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will play in blue" And come on how many on here actually believe he changed because of public opinion changed ?It was because he BLACKMAILED the City fans. BLACKMAILED

Well if TG says it's Sam moving the goalposts it must be true. The last statement that guy said was we would remain Blue !!
Hmmm

Which wasn't a lie!

To constitute it being a lie he would have had to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will be in blue. He changed his mind back once he saw the support from the fans, that doesn't constitute him lying in the first place!

EXACTLY Chief !! "To constitute a lie he would have to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will play in blue" And come on how many on here actually believe he changed because of public opinion changed ?It was because he BLACKMAILED the City fans. BLACKMAILED

Show me your evidence. If not your assuming which does not make it true

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,

I am really sorry if this has been made clear previously as my head has been spinning for weeks.

But could you please clarify what offer was made to Sam 12 weeks ago which VT then decided to change.

Are you saying that there actually was on offer made to Sam that he was willing to accept but that offer was then removed by VT?

Thanks for your help.

Well if TG says it's Sam moving the goalposts it must be true. The last statement that guy said was we would remain Blue !!
Hmmm

Which wasn't a lie!

To constitute it being a lie he would have had to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will be in blue. He changed his mind back once he saw the support from the fans, that doesn't constitute him lying in the first place!

EXACTLY Chief !! "To constitute a lie he would have to have the intention of playing in red while saying we will play in blue" And come on how many on here actually believe he changed because of public opinion changed ?It was because he BLACKMAILED the City fans. BLACKMAILED

Show me your evidence. If not your assuming which does not make it true

Here we go again my proof He fooking said it and he fooking done it. How much more proof do you need. Does he need to come and punch you on the nose Chief and say "Natman we will be playing in blue" Oops sorry i mean red

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,
without seeing all the documentation/notes of meetings/conversations it is impossible for anyone but the parties directly involved to be categorical on this one way or the other.
TG's stance is that it's Sam who's been moving the goalposts.Stated openly at today's AGM, not indirectly through this message board.

Correct.

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,

I am really sorry if this has been made clear previously as my head has been spinning for weeks.

But could you please clarify what offer was made to Sam 12 weeks ago which VT then decided to change.

Are you saying that there actually was on offer made to Sam that he was willing to accept but that offer was then removed by VT?

Thanks for your help.

Yes an offer was made and that offer was then replaced with the 3 offers that were made public.

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,

I am really sorry if this has been made clear previously as my head has been spinning for weeks.

But could you please clarify what offer was made to Sam 12 weeks ago which VT then decided to change.

Are you saying that there actually was on offer made to Sam that he was willing to accept but that offer was then removed by VT?

Thanks for your help.

Yes an offer was made and that offer was then replaced with the 3 offers that were made public.

And Sam was willing to accept it in full?

By saying stop moving the goalposts says to me they are agreeing on a figure then sam is asking for more.

Sam is not asking for more, he asking Vincent Tan to honour the offer that was made 12 weeks ago but then the offer changed, then it changed again and then again and then yet again.

Carl,

I am really sorry if this has been made clear previously as my head has been spinning for weeks.

But could you please clarify what offer was made to Sam 12 weeks ago which VT then decided to change.

Are you saying that there actually was on offer made to Sam that he was willing to accept but that offer was then removed by VT?

Thanks for your help.

Yes an offer was made and that offer was then replaced with the 3 offers that were made public.

And Sam was willing to accept it in full?

Yes.

Here we go again my proof He fooking said it and he fooking done it. How much more proof do you need. Does he need to come and punch you on the nose Chief and say "Natman we will be playing in blue" Oops sorry i mean red

I don't doubt he changed his mind but that does not constitute lying. Never has, never can and never will. so again, show me the proof that you know he was lying when he made that statement and while saying we were going back to blue that he always intended to stay red