Cardiff make new offer to Langston

Thats a good offer,why doesnt he just accept and let the club move on.

I can only tell u what I know, yes this latest offer, 7th different one,was made a couple of weeks ago. Sam has said once again he wants the £10 mill upfront as agreed a long time ago and then £5 mill if Cardiff are promoted. Whitley is being honest when Sam asked for Tan to guarantee our clubs debts will then be turned in to shares making us debt free.
I just want all this sorted ASAP and then see what Tan does.

It's boring me to death now and the poker game has to stop by both parties and a deal done once and for all.

Annis, I am no financial expert and don' t profess to be, but what I do know is that which is reported on here, you have had conversations with Sam, and they are between you and Sam, I and other people realise that you are doing your best to get this matter resolved, the time is coming when you may wash your hands of it, I don't know, but from your post you are, along with other people getting really p....ssed off with it. There is nothing people on the outside can do, except try to ignore it and move on, the season starts Friday and that's where your, my and other's attention's will be, sometimes when you give an update on this, you along with Carl get sarcasm and abuse, ignore it mate, and enjoy the season along with the majority off Bluebird supporters, let the so called financial experts sit back and enjoy thier millions.

So sam has to accept the offer or Langston ?

£9m plus £2m a season once in Prem for 3 seasons seems more than fair ?????

Why does Sam need more than this ??

So sam has to accept the offer or Langston ?

£9m plus £2m a season once in Prem for 3 seasons seems more than fair ?????

Why does Sam need more than this ??

I think it's a good compromise.

Annis, I am no financial expert and don' t profess to be, but what I do know is that which is reported on here, you have had conversations with Sam, and they are between you and Sam, I and other people realise that you are doing your best to get this matter resolved, the time is coming when you may wash your hands of it, I don't know, but from your post you are, along with other people getting really p....ssed off with it. There is nothing people on the outside can do, except try to ignore it and move on, the season starts Friday and that's where your, my and other's attention's will be, sometimes when you give an update on this, you along with Carl get sarcasm and abuse, ignore it mate, and enjoy the season along with the majority off Bluebird supporters, let the so called financial experts sit back and enjoy thier millions.

Cheers Jefe, your right I am totally fed up of the whole situation and have always said our club comes first. Yes it will be great to get back to watching the football, I am flying back tonight with my daughter to see tomorrows game and let's hope for 3pts.

Hammam is keen for Tan, who has already invested £40m-plus in the football club and is preparing to take that sum past the £100m mark, to turn his substantial loans into shares and make the club effectively debt free.

Mr Whitley said: “That was the latest condition, but that is irrelevant to Sam Hammam. It’s not for him to dictate.


Ridiculous. Grandstanding by Sam and trying to make it look as if he's all for the Club hoping
the fans will say "fair play, Sam is one of us, give him what he wants!"

Fair offer Sam, take it. Adios

Of course Sam wants VT to do that, because then Sam would become the major creditor. As thing stands its VT so Sam won't get a penny if Admin or worse comes. The only reason Sam is saying that is to protect his own investment through a thinly veiled attempt at saying he is one of us to get fans onside!

Sam, you're playing with the big boys now and to be honest i think you're on a hiding to nothing. Take what you've been offered and say your goodbyes, THAT is what is best for the good of the club!

Perhaps this will be verified today in the AGM...strange its in a newspaper though, it seems like confidential stuff...anyway lets all hope its dealt with swiftly.

Perhaps this will be verified today in the AGM...strange its in a newspaper though, it seems like confidential stuff...anyway lets all hope its dealt with swiftly.

Very strange our chief executive spoke out just before the AGM. Let's just hope a deal is finally done.

Hammam is keen for Tan, who has already invested £40m-plus in the football club and is preparing to take that sum past the £100m mark, to turn his substantial loans into shares and make the club effectively debt free.

Mr Whitley said: “That was the latest condition, but that is irrelevant to Sam Hammam. It’s not for him to dictate.


Ridiculous. Grandstanding by Sam and trying to make it look as if he's all for the Club hoping
the fans will say "fair play, Sam is one of us, give him what he wants!"

Fair offer Sam, take it. Adios

Of course Sam wants VT to do that, because then Sam would become the major creditor. As thing stands its VT so Sam won't get a penny if Admin or worse comes. The only reason Sam is saying that is to protect his own investment through a thinly veiled attempt at saying he is one of us to get fans onside!

Sam, you're playing with the big boys now and to be honest i think you're on a hiding to nothing. Take what you've been offered and say your goodbyes, THAT is what is best for the good of the club!

Really trying to stay down the middle here, but your talking nonsense because if Sam is paid off and thn Tan makes our debt in to shares, were does Sam come in to it, as he will be paid off, other than the bonus, which if Tan has agreed to pay, there should be no problem what so ever, true ?

Hammam is keen for Tan, who has already invested £40m-plus in the football club and is preparing to take that sum past the £100m mark, to turn his substantial loans into shares and make the club effectively debt free.

Mr Whitley said: “That was the latest condition, but that is irrelevant to Sam Hammam. It’s not for him to dictate.


Ridiculous. Grandstanding by Sam and trying to make it look as if he's all for the Club hoping
the fans will say "fair play, Sam is one of us, give him what he wants!"

Fair offer Sam, take it. Adios

Of course Sam wants VT to do that, because then Sam would become the major creditor. As thing stands its VT so Sam won't get a penny if Admin or worse comes. The only reason Sam is saying that is to protect his own investment through a thinly veiled attempt at saying he is one of us to get fans onside!

Sam, you're playing with the big boys now and to be honest i think you're on a hiding to nothing. Take what you've been offered and say your goodbyes, THAT is what is best for the good of the club!

Really trying to stay down the middle here, but your talking nonsense because if Sam is paid off and thn Tan makes our debt in to shares, were does Sam come in to it, as he will be paid off, other than the bonus, which if Tan has agreed to pay, there should be no problem what so ever, true ?

I'm saying that if Sam is not paid of and VT turns debt to equity then Sam once again becomes the biggest creditor and so his hand is strengthened in all this. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding

I wish the club hadn't gone public with this but I suppose leaking the news the day before the AGM of the club shouldn't really surprise us.

This morning the club is going to have to explain to shareholders why the debt has increased to over £70m and what better way to bat off any potential criticism than leak a bit of propaganda about the latest Langston offer.

With negotiations at a delicate stage ALL parties would be well advised to keep this process confidential.


Just my opinion.

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Hammam is keen for Tan, who has already invested £40m-plus in the football club and is preparing to take that sum past the £100m mark, to turn his substantial loans into shares and make the club effectively debt free.

Mr Whitley said: “That was the latest condition, but that is irrelevant to Sam Hammam. It’s not for him to dictate.


Ridiculous. Grandstanding by Sam and trying to make it look as if he's all for the Club hoping
the fans will say "fair play, Sam is one of us, give him what he wants!"

Fair offer Sam, take it. Adios

Of course Sam wants VT to do that, because then Sam would become the major creditor. As thing stands its VT so Sam won't get a penny if Admin or worse comes. The only reason Sam is saying that is to protect his own investment through a thinly veiled attempt at saying he is one of us to get fans onside!

Sam, you're playing with the big boys now and to be honest i think you're on a hiding to nothing. Take what you've been offered and say your goodbyes, THAT is what is best for the good of the club!

Really trying to stay down the middle here, but your talking nonsense because if Sam is paid off and thn Tan makes our debt in to shares, were does Sam come in to it, as he will be paid off, other than the bonus, which if Tan has agreed to pay, there should be no problem what so ever, true ?

I'm saying that if Sam is not paid of and VT turns debt to equity then Sam once again becomes the biggest creditor and so his hand is strengthened in all this. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding

No prob and yes your totally right in what your saying.

I wish the club hadn't gone public with this but I suppose leaking the news the day before the AGM of the club shouldn't really surprise us.

This morning the club is going to have to explain to shareholders why the debt has increased to over £70m and what better way to bat off any potential criticism than leak a bit of propaganda about the latest Langston offer.

With negotiations at a delicate stage ALL parties would be well advised to keep this process confidential.


Just my opinion.

Gary, I am very surprised they put it out before the AGM,but I believe it's to soften the blow regarding our debts of over £90 odd mill and rising rapidly.

I totally agree with everything u say there, they have ago at Sam putting things out and they do the same.

Do you honestly believe they only put it out to soften the blow ? Surely the questions that need to be asked will still do so ?

I expect Tan and co know a thing or two about the power of the media as he owns newspapers and tv stations, when it comes to using them to conclude a multimillion pound deal (which is probably peanuts compared to the deals he has negotiated in the past) I trust he knows what he's doing.....running a football club, well thats a bit different.

I wish the club hadn't gone public with this but I suppose leaking the news the day before the AGM of the club shouldn't really surprise us.

This morning the club is going to have to explain to shareholders why the debt has increased to over £70m and what better way to bat off any potential criticism than leak a bit of propaganda about the latest Langston offer.

With negotiations at a delicate stage ALL parties would be well advised to keep this process confidential.


Just my opinion.

Gary, I am very surprised they put it out before the AGM,but I believe it's to soften the blow regarding our debts of over £90 odd mill and rising rapidly.

I totally agree with everything u say there, they have ago at Sam putting things out and they do the same.

How can you say Sam put's things out??? when was the last statement Sam made public??? at least CCFC are putting their name to the statement!! And if Sam put's things about then why couldn't either himself or you told us the club has made an offer before the July 31st deadline??? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you say that there was 2 day's to go before the deadline was reached and there has been no offer off the Malaysians?? Well if City chief executive Alan Whiteley is to believed they made the offer a few day's before deadline day!!!! I think either Sam is playing you giving you bullshit to pass on to the fan's or we are not getting the full story!! How can you say the club is leaking a bit of propaganda when that's Sam's forte isn't it??Tan get's slated by you when he doesn't give us the fact's but when he does it's propaganda

Hammam is keen for Tan, who has already invested £40m-plus in the football club and is preparing to take that sum past the £100m mark, to turn his substantial loans into shares and make the club effectively debt free.

Mr Whitley said: “That was the latest condition, but that is irrelevant to Sam Hammam. It’s not for him to dictate.


Ridiculous. Grandstanding by Sam and trying to make it look as if he's all for the Club hoping
the fans will say "fair play, Sam is one of us, give him what he wants!"

Fair offer Sam, take it. Adios

Of course Sam wants VT to do that, because then Sam would become the major creditor. As thing stands its VT so Sam won't get a penny if Admin or worse comes. The only reason Sam is saying that is to protect his own investment through a thinly veiled attempt at saying he is one of us to get fans onside!

Sam, you're playing with the big boys now and to be honest i think you're on a hiding to nothing. Take what you've been offered and say your goodbyes, THAT is what is best for the good of the club!

I meant. Sam may like it to look like he's making it a condition of his accepting the deal
that the Malaysians take up the share option AFTER he's gone. Fans hero, pay him, stop
stalling Tan etc etc etc etc. Wont happen.

I cant help but wonder if Sam is only telling his supporters what he wants them to hear and
not the whole facts. Certainly there was no mention in the Media or on here of another offer
three weeks ago.

Being a cold calculating businessman trying to clinch a deal is one thing, but using friends as
pawns in a game is unforgivable

I don't think anyone should question what Annis knows ref the latest offer or have a go at him for not disclosing any of it, he's more than entitled to a private life and conversation even involving Cardiff city.

But definitely agree both parties need to stop the poker.

Do we know if it has all deals have been sent via solicitors chambers etc. or have them actually sat in the same room and tried to thrash out a deal yet???

if sam is going through annis to put his offers and bollox out why is it wrong for VT to do the same? maybe he didnt like it but when sam started doing it more and more he thought two can play at that game? the problem we have here is we only ever know sams side, and thats nobodys fault but if you only know one persons story thats what youre going to base an argument off, this needs sorting once and for all, no sam making pointless deadlines not VT promising this and that it needs sorting

I don't think anyone should question what Annis knows ref the latest offer or have a go at him for not disclosing any of it, he's more than entitled to a private life and conversation even involving Cardiff city.

But definitely agree both parties need to stop the poker.

Do we know if it has all deals have been sent via solicitors chambers etc. or have them actually sat in the same room and tried to thrash out a deal yet???

most people only ask annis the details because when something happens and annis is arguing with people on here he knows all the info and the others dont then he says stuff like "so why did they do this and that" when none of us knew this, he should either say all he knows or keep it all private imo, we all want whats best for the club but i feel we should just leave it to the money men

Hi All. Does anyone actually know how much is the debt? Sounds complicated

I wish the club hadn't gone public with this but I suppose leaking the news the day before the AGM of the club shouldn't really surprise us.

This morning the club is going to have to explain to shareholders why the debt has increased to over £70m and what better way to bat off any potential criticism than leak a bit of propaganda about the latest Langston offer.

With negotiations at a delicate stage ALL parties would be well advised to keep this process confidential.


Just my opinion.

Gary, I am very surprised they put it out before the AGM,but I believe it's to soften the blow regarding our debts of over £90 odd mill and rising rapidly.

Which is why once sam is paid off THEY say it`ll be turned to equity ..........will continue to rise until sam paid - then we`ll see who is telling porkies i guess - fingers crossed
I totally agree with everything u say there, they have ago at Sam putting things out and they do the same.

I don't think anyone should question what Annis knows ref the latest offer or have a go at him for not disclosing any of it, he's more than entitled to a private life and conversation even involving Cardiff city.

But definitely agree both parties need to stop the poker.

Do we know if it has all deals have been sent via solicitors chambers etc. or have them actually sat in the same room and tried to thrash out a deal yet???

most people only ask annis the details because when something happens and annis is arguing with people on here he knows all the info and the others dont then he says stuff like "so why did they do this and that" when none of us knew this, he should either say all he knows or keep it all private imo, we all want whats best for the club but i feel we should just leave it to the money men

Jm I just confirmed it was true the latest offer from Tan, but what I said is Sam got slated last time for using the media and nw Tan is doing the same. All I want is what's best for Cardiff City not Sam or Tan. I am fed up of it.

I don't think anyone should question what Annis knows ref the latest offer or have a go at him for not disclosing any of it, he's more than entitled to a private life and conversation even involving Cardiff city.

But definitely agree both parties need to stop the poker.

Do we know if it has all deals have been sent via solicitors chambers etc. or have them actually sat in the same room and tried to thrash out a deal yet???

most people only ask annis the details because when something happens and annis is arguing with people on here he knows all the info and the others dont then he says stuff like "so why did they do this and that" when none of us knew this, he should either say all he knows or keep it all private imo, we all want whats best for the club but i feel we should just leave it to the money men

Jm I just confirmed it was true the latest offer from Tan, but what I said is Sam got slated last time for using the media and nw Tan is doing the same. All I want is what's best for Cardiff City not Sam or Tan. I am fed up of it.

as you stated earlier in this thread i agree with you , i think this is a good deal for both sides now time for sam to except it and we can move on

It will get soughted soon I'm sure. If I was VT I would up to a 'final' offer of £10m and a bonus of £1.25m for every season we play in the Premiership up to a maximum of £5m (4 seasons btw)

If Sam/Langston refuse to accept that, then sorry Sam it would be time for even your loyalist supporters to turn on you.

I don't think anyone should question what Annis knows ref the latest offer or have a go at him for not disclosing any of it, he's more than entitled to a private life and conversation even involving Cardiff city.

But definitely agree both parties need to stop the poker.

Do we know if it has all deals have been sent via solicitors chambers etc. or have them actually sat in the same room and tried to thrash out a deal yet???

most people only ask annis the details because when something happens and annis is arguing with people on here he knows all the info and the others dont then he says stuff like "so why did they do this and that" when none of us knew this, he should either say all he knows or keep it all private imo, we all want whats best for the club but i feel we should just leave it to the money men

Jm I just confirmed it was true the latest offer from Tan, but what I said is Sam got slated last time for using the media and nw Tan is doing the same. All I want is what's best for Cardiff City not Sam or Tan. I am fed up of it.

Sam Tan haa haa, my sons favourite cartoon character!!! There's some irony in that these two names are battling over control of Cardiff City when it is arguably one of our most famous exports

SAM NEEDS TO DO CITY A FAVOUR IF HE STILL HAS ANY DIGNITY LEFT AND ACCEPT THE OFFER. LET THE CLUB MOVE ON AND GIVE THE FANS SOME RESPITE OF THIS ONGOING LANGSTONE DEBT SITUATION!! We have had enough of the b******t!!