Rebranding was going ahead, investment or not.

My honest opinion is VT will get us into the prem for 2/3 years float us on whatever stock market, make more money and move on, making him more millions and us with a new owner who straight away will want all fans on there side and change us back to Blue at home and our proper badge So be patient and enjoy premier league football

Yea fair play but surrounded by glory hunting fans that no f**k all mate.I dont want none of it and he hasnt brain washed me

Thats been true since we left NP though mate

And when we lost they would have been slaughtered for doing so and would have been blamed for us losing the final. Instead they later offerred refunds to anyone who wanted one, which was the right thing to do.

Refund for which I received £461 after forking out £521 in full for my son and I in April. (After the Cup final). They know that honesty would've been extremely costly.

Fristly mate losing £60 isn't my fault. Secondly I assume you were charged some kind of administration fee? If so I would agree that is out of order and if I was you I would pursue the club for the outstanding balance and may be contact a supporters organisation to help you.

My honest opinion is VT will get us into the prem for 2/3 years float us on whatever stock market, make more money and move on, making him more millions and us with a new owner who straight away will want all fans on there side and change us back to Blue at home and our proper badge So be patient and enjoy premier league football

Yea fair play but surrounded by glory hunting fans that no f**k all mate.I dont want none of it and he hasnt brain washed me

I really hate when one fan is so judgemental towards other fans. How can you possibly know if fans sat by you 'know f**k all?'

Like everyone else they will have their own opinions, which not surprisingly might be different to yours.

And when we lost they would have been slaughtered for doing so and would have been blamed for us losing the final. Instead they later offerred refunds to anyone who wanted one, which was the right thing to do.

Refund for which I received £461 after forking out £521 in full for my son and I in April. (After the Cup final). They know that honesty would've been extremely costly.

Fristly mate losing £60 isn't my fault. Secondly I assume you were charged some kind of administration fee? If so I would agree that is out of order and if I was you I would pursue the club for the outstanding balance and may be contact a supporters organisation to help you.

Your fault...

Didn't realise I had made that accusation, if I've missed something I apologise TBW.

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

no it wouldn't have been.

they would have sold their shares/loans to another investor.
to have a business fail is a major disgrace in asia and they wouldn't have let that happen.
so it is all bullshit.

red or dead, investment linked to rebranding, trust us. BOLLACKS

you forget we were already 35ml in debt before vt came in who the fck would take that on??? also tax man would have closed us down as had no way of paying them! red or dead maybe wrong in fact but vt or dead is not!!!! end product is same red!!!!

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

Sadly yes he did, but our chief executive says that it def was not red or dead.

I will be cheering on our team, it's not their fault, but I will never buy or wear red.

There is no way the chief exec would have come out and said it would have been red or dead once the decision had been made. It would have been terrible PR even if it was the case, as I believe it was. To try and pretend we would have had the same level of investment without VT getting his wish is naive in the extreme IMO

Rebranding was going ahead, investment or not. - Old news im afraid i think most fans knew this anyway

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

The whole thing was / is bollocks though. You haven't got to rebrand a football club to invest in it. Same as any business.

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

Exactly. The huge losses are accounting losses driven by interest on their debt.

Rebranding was going ahead, investment or not. - Old news im afraid i think most fans knew this anyway

Rebranding may have gone ahead without the investment but I don't believe the investment would have gone ahead without the rebranding. Two very different things

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

Exactly. The huge losses are accounting losses driven by interest on their debt.

So how much interest are we paying each year, in monetary terms not the %? And of this how much is the malaysian debt and how much other debt?

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

Exactly. The huge losses are accounting losses driven by interest on their debt.

So how much interest are we paying each year, in monetary terms not the %? And of this how much is the malaysian debt and how much other debt?

we are paying 7% which is very good acording to better experts considering our history! also at moment vt hasnt taken money out of club yet! and lets get one thing strait!! nobody puts in 40mil into anything on a whim (would you?) like stupid people on here suggests! hes doing it to make money and if he ends up doing that it will mean we would be on a sound financial footing thats only way he will make money! finally why bring up this again its been done to death cosidering vt hasnt told any city fan his plans how the fck can people state hes doing this and that???

imo it doesnt matter how much...when he turns the debt to equity thats it ...has any one thought that maybe the total debt will be £100 million or even £200 million or even£500 million at the time when he converts it to equity ...at that time he will own 100%of cardiff city ..no more no less ....so it dont matter when it happens as long as it does happen ...the big difference between tan and our previous owners is tan got the money they never had ....he can wipe our debts off anytime he wants ...so the fact he hasnt must be important to him for what ever reason....and before i get called a red im not i will never wear the red or the new badge ...its blue for me home and away

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

Exactly. The huge losses are accounting losses driven by interest on their debt.

So how much interest are we paying each year, in monetary terms not the %? And of this how much is the malaysian debt and how much other debt?

we are paying 7% which is very good acording to better experts considering our history! also at moment vt hasnt taken money out of club yet! and lets get one thing strait!! nobody puts in 40mil into anything on a whim (would you?) like stupid people on here suggests! hes doing it to make money and if he ends up doing that it will mean we would be on a sound financial footing thats only way he will make money! finally why bring up this again its been done to death cosidering vt hasnt told any city fan his plans how the fck can people state hes doing this and that???

I agree why bring it up again, but I was intrigued as to the statement that the huge losses are down to interest payments and wondered how much fact was in that. I suspect very little

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

Exactly. The huge losses are accounting losses driven by interest on their debt.

So how much interest are we paying each year, in monetary terms not the %? And of this how much is the malaysian debt and how much other debt?

we are paying 7% which is very good acording to better experts considering our history! also at moment vt hasnt taken money out of club yet! and lets get one thing strait!! nobody puts in 40mil into anything on a whim (would you?) like stupid people on here suggests! hes doing it to make money and if he ends up doing that it will mean we would be on a sound financial footing thats only way he will make money! finally why bring up this again its been done to death cosidering vt hasnt told any city fan his plans how the fck can people state hes doing this and that???

I agree why bring it up again, but I was intrigued as to the statement that the huge losses are down to interest payments and wondered how much fact was in that. I suspect very little

none! previous regimes are to blame full stop, nothing to do with vt! whilst debt has grown with him he does have the financial power to do whatever he wants with debt!

I agree why bring it up again, but I was intrigued as to the statement that the huge losses are down to interest payments and wondered how much fact was in that. I suspect very little

7% of any losses will be down to interest payments so by definition you are correct, they account for very little of the over all amount.

same interest as sam/langstone i believe 7%

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Jamccfc sounds like you have gone off football anyway and had to be told by your wife to go, if you feel like that perhaps it's time you switched to something else???

Maybe a new hobby or Lower league crap???

You are not on your own I have seen many posts where people don't want to go now because football in e Championship and in modern stadiums is different from Scunthorpe away 20 years ago.

I think the rebranding has given some people a good excuse to finally pack it all in......

It is a shame but everything changes eventually...

Some say what difference does shirt colour make at the end of the day ..... if so then what is so wrong with blue ?

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

no it wouldn't have been.

they would have sold their shares/loans to another investor.
to have a business fail is a major disgrace in asia and they wouldn't have let that happen.
so it is all bullshit.

red or dead, investment linked to rebranding, trust us. BOLLACKS

Yeh, bet there's loads of investors queuing up to invest in us, perhaps they missed all the other opportunities to invest on the previous occasions, perhaps they thought they'd wait until we were in even more debt before they came in, surely you are not serious.

Alan Whiteley never said we were red or dead, what he did say when questioned at the meeting was, if VT stopped propping us up and no other investors came in, then we could only carry on for three or four months.
So not dead, just back in the shit big time.

Funny story is I rem the Crogan days when he died everyone said there would be no one and everyone said about Clemo, Kumar Brothers, Ridsdale etc etc who else have we got, there was no one else, interesting.