Poll: Arriva Trains Wales or Cardiff Airport.?

They pretty much operate from just about every other UK airport now and it doesn't seem to affect their business at the smaller ones. From what I can see, most of these small airports are growing as a result of budget airlines whereas Cardiff seems to be in decline other than charters. Like you say, its a catch 22 as you need the destinations to get the punters, but there is [or were last time I looked] some serious scheduling issues at Cardiff too. I used to catch the first flight to Belfast at 07.00 and return and 18.00 - perfect for business. Both flights were almost always full but now the flight goes out at about 17.30 and returns at 20.00 meaning its useless and considerably more expensive for the majority of people with no alternative but to stay overnight.

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

Surely low income areas would welcome low cost airlines. Vueling again isn't that cheap compared to so-called other low cost airlines flying out of other airports.

Not necessarily as normally with low cost airlines there are more flights a week than that of package holiday airlines

Some low cost airlines offer daily flights to some destinations - and with people not having the money they once had, surely this would impact the amount of people wanting or affording to go on holiday?

They pretty much operate from just about every other UK airport now and it doesn't seem to affect their business at the smaller ones. From what I can see, most of these small airports are growing as a result of budget airlines whereas Cardiff seems to be in decline other than charters. Like you say, its a catch 22 as you need the destinations to get the punters, but there is [or were last time I looked] some serious scheduling issues at Cardiff too. I used to catch the first flight to Belfast at 07.00 and return and 18.00 - perfect for business. Both flights were almost always full but now the flight goes out at about 17.30 and returns at 20.00 meaning its useless and considerably more expensive for the majority of people with no alternative but to stay overnight.

I`m going to Belfast next Tueday from Cardiff, we fly at 11.55am, so there are earlier flights mate..Its direct too, as some later flights go via Edinburgh..

I use the trains a lot. Usually pretty good. Too expensive though.

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

Surely low income areas would welcome low cost airlines. Vueling again isn't that cheap compared to so-called other low cost airlines flying out of other airports.

Not necessarily as normally with low cost airlines there are more flights a week than that of package holiday airlines

Some low cost airlines offer daily flights to some destinations - and with people not having the money they once had, surely this would impact the amount of people wanting or affording to go on holiday?

vueliing!! problem with them is go to malaga, is via barcelona!! 10hrs ffs easier to go to bristol direct flight!! hence the problem, airport will close eventually as lack of use!! other reason is wag they cant run pissup in brewery did you know united airlines will operate service to usa but wag wont subsidice them to tune 1mil a year for 5yrs to get it up and running! but wag will spend 1.5ml a year to subsidise cdf/angelsey for 25 passengers each flight 2 flights a day!!
ps economically its said 200mil could be put into wales over 5yr period from usa! how much from angelsey?? sweet fa!!!

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

Surely low income areas would welcome low cost airlines. Vueling again isn't that cheap compared to so-called other low cost airlines flying out of other airports.

Not necessarily as normally with low cost airlines there are more flights a week than that of package holiday airlines

Some low cost airlines offer daily flights to some destinations - and with people not having the money they once had, surely this would impact the amount of people wanting or affording to go on holiday?

vueliing!! problem with them is go to malaga, is via barcelona!! 10hrs ffs easier to go to bristol direct flight!! hence the problem, airport will close eventually as lack of use!! other reason is wag they cant run pissup in brewery did you know united airlines will operate service to usa but wag wont subsidice them to tune 1mil a year for 5yrs to get it up and running! but wag will spend 1.5ml a year to subsidise cdf/angelsey for 25 passengers each flight 2 flights a day!!
ps economically its said 200mil could be put into wales over 5yr period from usa! how much from angelsey?? sweet fa!!!

i that right..? FFS only in Wales!!!!

They pretty much operate from just about every other UK airport now and it doesn't seem to affect their business at the smaller ones. From what I can see, most of these small airports are growing as a result of budget airlines whereas Cardiff seems to be in decline other than charters. Like you say, its a catch 22 as you need the destinations to get the punters, but there is [or were last time I looked] some serious scheduling issues at Cardiff too. I used to catch the first flight to Belfast at 07.00 and return and 18.00 - perfect for business. Both flights were almost always full but now the flight goes out at about 17.30 and returns at 20.00 meaning its useless and considerably more expensive for the majority of people with no alternative but to stay overnight.

I`m going to Belfast next Tueday from Cardiff, we fly at 11.55am, so there are earlier flights mate..Its direct too, as some later flights go via Edinburgh..

Cheers mate - must have changed it again since I looked last....

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

Surely low income areas would welcome low cost airlines. Vueling again isn't that cheap compared to so-called other low cost airlines flying out of other airports.

Not necessarily as normally with low cost airlines there are more flights a week than that of package holiday airlines

Some low cost airlines offer daily flights to some destinations - and with people not having the money they once had, surely this would impact the amount of people wanting or affording to go on holiday?

vueliing!! problem with them is go to malaga, is via barcelona!! 10hrs ffs easier to go to bristol direct flight!! hence the problem, airport will close eventually as lack of use!! other reason is wag they cant run pissup in brewery did you know united airlines will operate service to usa but wag wont subsidice them to tune 1mil a year for 5yrs to get it up and running! but wag will spend 1.5ml a year to subsidise cdf/angelsey for 25 passengers each flight 2 flights a day!!
ps economically its said 200mil could be put into wales over 5yr period from usa! how much from angelsey?? sweet fa!!!

Vueling are looking at adding more direct routes for next summer to other destinations in Spain so fingers crossed.

They pretty much operate from just about every other UK airport now and it doesn't seem to affect their business at the smaller ones. From what I can see, most of these small airports are growing as a result of budget airlines whereas Cardiff seems to be in decline other than charters. Like you say, its a catch 22 as you need the destinations to get the punters, but there is [or were last time I looked] some serious scheduling issues at Cardiff too. I used to catch the first flight to Belfast at 07.00 and return and 18.00 - perfect for business. Both flights were almost always full but now the flight goes out at about 17.30 and returns at 20.00 meaning its useless and considerably more expensive for the majority of people with no alternative but to stay overnight.

I`m going to Belfast next Tueday from Cardiff, we fly at 11.55am, so there are earlier flights mate..Its direct too, as some later flights go via Edinburgh..

Cheers mate - must have changed it again since I looked last....

Fly Be i booked it with..

Flybe are the only ones who go from cardiff to Belfast

They dropped the "international" part in the name of the airport many years ago.

It is a shame though as it has the potential to be so much more and can fly to so many more destinations than Bristol if we had the routes.

This summer Vueling flights have been successful and looking to add more routes for next summer and the Orlando flights a big success and could do more flights (the one thing we have over Bristol).

Hardly get trains so don't know.

not sure how vueling will do i had a price of 1150 to lanzarote from them and from bristol with ryaniar it was 650

they could do me a favour and fly a budget from Cardiff direct to either Frankfurt or Frankfurth Hahn! takes bloody ages on the train from manchester or stansted on the train!

It has alot to do with landing fees as BMI Baby pushed them onto the passenger ensuring that the total price was very expensive for a low cost carrier

Its nothing to do with the landing fees, ive had this debate many of times

Cardiff offer very competitive landing fees, although airports negotiate with airlines to try and give them the better deal

Why airlines dont just come into Cardiff is 1 - Wales has one of the highest unemployment figures, so why would they operate from a country where many people have no money? and 2 - There is an airport nearby which operates a high proportion of flights which would compete with Cardiff

They have attracted a lo-co airline Vueling from spain, so they cant be pricing out lo-co's that bad

Surely low income areas would welcome low cost airlines. Vueling again isn't that cheap compared to so-called other low cost airlines flying out of other airports.

Not necessarily as normally with low cost airlines there are more flights a week than that of package holiday airlines

Some low cost airlines offer daily flights to some destinations - and with people not having the money they once had, surely this would impact the amount of people wanting or affording to go on holiday?

vueliing!! problem with them is go to malaga, is via barcelona!! 10hrs ffs easier to go to bristol direct flight!! hence the problem, airport will close eventually as lack of use!! other reason is wag they cant run pissup in brewery did you know united airlines will operate service to usa but wag wont subsidice them to tune 1mil a year for 5yrs to get it up and running! but wag will spend 1.5ml a year to subsidise cdf/angelsey for 25 passengers each flight 2 flights a day!!
ps economically its said 200mil could be put into wales over 5yr period from usa! how much from angelsey?? sweet fa!!!

Vueling are looking at adding more direct routes for next summer to other destinations in Spain so fingers crossed.

Thats good mate but what if you want to go somewhere other than Spain...

Other holiday destinations would be with Thomas cook or Thomson.
Cardiff Orlando in the summer.

Otherwise it will be an indirect flight but going by Amsterdam you can go anywhere.
Also via Dublin (with Air Lingus)
Via Amsterdam (with klm)
Via CDG, Paris (with flybe)
Sometimes via Glasgow (with flybe)

Also Vueling via Barcelona go to most places in Europe.

Obviously indirect flights are not deal but some options for people to look at if they wanted to fly from Cardiff.

Other holiday destinations would be with Thomas cook or Thomson.
Cardiff Orlando in the summer.

Otherwise it will be an indirect flight but going by Amsterdam you can go anywhere.
Also via Dublin (with Air Lingus)
Via Amsterdam (with klm)
Via CDG, Paris (with flybe)
Sometimes via Glasgow (with flybe)

Also Vueling via Barcelona go to most places in Europe.

Obviously indirect flights are not deal but some options for people to look at if they wanted to fly from Cardiff.

problem is waiting time in barca! hope they do bring in direct flights to spain will help airport or it will go under as it is owned by spanish company and with their economic problems wont take much to pull plug! besides they are not investing in airport at all what does that tell you?

I have to go to Warsaw on Sunday and am using KLM from Cardiff. It would have been cheaper to go to London even with the fuel, parking and hotel costs involved in doing that, but I fancied being at home Saturday night, so will see how it goes. Used to use the BMI Baby flight form Cardiff at £25.99 each way. As it may be a regular journey again in the future for me, I am thankful Ryan Air are introducing a flight from Bristol in October.

Other holiday destinations would be with Thomas cook or Thomson.
Cardiff Orlando in the summer.

Otherwise it will be an indirect flight but going by Amsterdam you can go anywhere.
Also via Dublin (with Air Lingus)
Via Amsterdam (with klm)
Via CDG, Paris (with flybe)
Sometimes via Glasgow (with flybe)

Also Vueling via Barcelona go to most places in Europe.

Obviously indirect flights are not deal but some options for people to look at if they wanted to fly from Cardiff.

problem is waiting time in barca! hope they do bring in direct flights to spain will help airport or it will go under as it is owned by spanish company and with their economic problems wont take much to pull plug! besides they are not investing in airport at all what does that tell you?

Like I said above it makes a steady but minimal profit so it's no problem to the company to keep the airport running.

I have to go to Warsaw on Sunday and am using KLM from Cardiff. It would have been cheaper to go to London even with the fuel, parking and hotel costs involved in doing that, but I fancied being at home Saturday night, so will see how it goes. Used to use the BMI Baby flight form Cardiff at £25.99 each way. As it may be a regular journey again in the future for me, I am thankful Ryan Air are introducing a flight from Bristol in October.

I'm working Sunday so you may see me about say hi, I'm the handsome one
What time is your flight? Can I suggest checking in online as you can then use the bag drop off and be quicker

Also klm offer a free drink and small snack on board, they offer u tea, coffee or juice but you can have a small bottle of wine or a larger free

the main question should be how an airport with much bigger runway, and slightly better access than bristol, lose out on so many companies locating to bristol??? like said lot to do with wag and their policy of financial support to airport! all you get is euro laws prevent us giving money to airport, yet bristol and the like get away with things? just not the will power to do things just have to look at rail/rd links they wont spend anything to bring it about, not worth it they say, bristol is no better than us its just they go out way to get airlines we dont its well documented fact its that simple!

With respect mate - why would I want to go via Barcelona if I was going to go to somehere other than Spain. Its just nonsensical to have a hub airport that takes you away from most of the rest of mainland Europe. At least with KLM you are centrally placed for onward journeys. Most of the other destinations you mention with Thomas Cook etc are for charter flights and therefore only run during the peak holiday season and are not much use other than for two weeks in the sun.

I have to go to Warsaw on Sunday and am using KLM from Cardiff. It would have been cheaper to go to London even with the fuel, parking and hotel costs involved in doing that, but I fancied being at home Saturday night, so will see how it goes. Used to use the BMI Baby flight form Cardiff at £25.99 each way. As it may be a regular journey again in the future for me, I am thankful Ryan Air are introducing a flight from Bristol in October.

I'm working Sunday so you may see me about say hi, I'm the handsome one
What time is your flight? Can I suggest checking in online as you can then use the bag drop off and be quicker

Also klm offer a free drink and small snack on board, they offer u tea, coffee or juice but you can have a small bottle of wine or a larger free

Ha ha, will do - the first flight out at 06.00. Sadly, driving the other end so no wine or lager for me. I'm just hoping that my luggage arrives at the same airport as me as last I used KLM it didn't...

4.00am check in opens so don't be late

Yeah Amsterdam is a manic airport, Had a tour of it last year and it's quite simply unbelievable, I'm sure I could holiday at the airport there is so much to do


what's your connection time between flights? Fingers crossed you will get your luggage

4.00am check in opens so don't be late

Yeah Amsterdam is a manic airport, Had a tour of it last year and it's quite simply unbelievable, I'm sure I could holiday at the airport there is so much to do


what's your connection time between flights? Fingers crossed you will get your luggage

yep - up at 03.00 and a five hour journey the other end meaning it will 18.00 at the earliest UK time when I arrive, so I'm going to be tired. It is a huge airport as you say. Connection time is an hour and a half so no issues hopefully and ttime for breakfast - had half an hour last time coming in from Helsinki and the plane was parked miles away, so we just made it thanks to a bus but luggage didn't.

Yeah half hour is very short so not massively surprised the bag didn't make it but with an hour and a half you should be ok
Fair play to klm though they are the best about for returning a bag ASAP.

I start 4am Sunday but will prob be on a TCX or TOM check in. Hope my colleagues look after you tho

Yeah half hour is very short so not massively surprised the bag didn't make it but with an hour and a half you should be ok
Fair play to klm though they are the best about for returning a bag ASAP.

I start 4am Sunday but will prob be on a TCX or TOM check in. Hope my colleagues look after you tho

Cheers mate - I may pop over and say hello if I get the chance. And yes I agree, they did get my bag back pretty quickly last time in fairness.

Always caught Ebbw Vale Train and Rhymney and never had any problems..