WHAT DEFINES A PLASTIC?

Fair play there has some pathetic responses to this thread. There is no such thing as a plastic instead we are all just football fans.

Some of us are season ticket holders and go to away games. Others are just season ticket holders, whilst a large number attend when they can. I see no reason to categorise individuals as it is their personal choice what they do with their disposable income.

I often feel that using the phrase 'plastic' has more to do with some fans trying to promote their own pathetic importance, as they needlessly throw the insult at the occasional attendee.

Quite sad really because if they were a true fan of the club they should be delighted at seeing more fans support their club rather than getting stuck in the past.

You just don't understand. Look at it from our point of view.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

An unbelievable post.

I'm not sure your correct about the 'old guard' being against the re-brand. Like the vast majority of us the ones I know are dead against the red shirt but accept it as part of the over all package which comes with the re-branding.

Also how can you discribe someone who has bought a season ticket as a 'Glory Hunter' or 'Bandwagon Jumper?'

We have 16,000+ season ticket holders out of an average crowd of 22,000 (which would include away fans)

Like it or not times move on and new generations are joining our ranks all of the time. The vast majority of our newer fans couldn't have watched us at NP in the 80's & 90's simply because they weren't born (or weren't old enough), but they are there now and will be there long after you and me are gone. How you can relate to these fans as Glory Hunters is beyond me.

Fair play there has some pathetic responses to this thread. There is no such thing as a plastic instead we are all just football fans.

Some of us are season ticket holders and go to away games. Others are just season ticket holders, whilst a large number attend when they can. I see no reason to categorise individuals as it is their personal choice what they do with their disposable income.

I often feel that using the phrase 'plastic' has more to do with some fans trying to promote their own pathetic importance, as they needlessly throw the insult at the occasional attendee.

Quite sad really because if they were a true fan of the club they should be delighted at seeing more fans support their club rather than getting stuck in the past.

You just don't understand. Look at it from our point of view.

No you look at it from my point of view and then you will understand.

Fair play there has some pathetic responses to this thread. There is no such thing as a plastic instead we are all just football fans.

Some of us are season ticket holders and go to away games. Others are just season ticket holders, whilst a large number attend when they can. I see no reason to categorise individuals as it is their personal choice what they do with their disposable income.

I often feel that using the phrase 'plastic' has more to do with some fans trying to promote their own pathetic importance, as they needlessly throw the insult at the occasional attendee.

Quite sad really because if they were a true fan of the club they should be delighted at seeing more fans support their club rather than getting stuck in the past.

You just don't understand. Look at it from our point of view.

No you look at it from my point of view and then you will understand.

I look at it from your point of view and all I see is Since 2008 drivel.

Fair play there has some pathetic responses to this thread. There is no such thing as a plastic instead we are all just football fans.

Some of us are season ticket holders and go to away games. Others are just season ticket holders, whilst a large number attend when they can. I see no reason to categorise individuals as it is their personal choice what they do with their disposable income.

I often feel that using the phrase 'plastic' has more to do with some fans trying to promote their own pathetic importance, as they needlessly throw the insult at the occasional attendee.

Quite sad really because if they were a true fan of the club they should be delighted at seeing more fans support their club rather than getting stuck in the past.

Poor Summary in bold. True fan's yes enjoy to see larger crowds, but those crowds to follow the club they support in whatever position not just pop along for a wembley occasion and disregard the Club's tradition.

We have averaged 22,000 for the past 3 seasons???

Every club bar the top tier of the Premiership would get an exceptionally large following to a Wembley Cup Final and to use that as an example to brand fellow football fans as 'plastics' is pathetic.

Sorry the phrase plastic has more to do with your vanity than it does with anything else.

Fair play there has some pathetic responses to this thread. There is no such thing as a plastic instead we are all just football fans.

Some of us are season ticket holders and go to away games. Others are just season ticket holders, whilst a large number attend when they can. I see no reason to categorise individuals as it is their personal choice what they do with their disposable income.

I often feel that using the phrase 'plastic' has more to do with some fans trying to promote their own pathetic importance, as they needlessly throw the insult at the occasional attendee.

Quite sad really because if they were a true fan of the club they should be delighted at seeing more fans support their club rather than getting stuck in the past.

You just don't understand. Look at it from our point of view.

No you look at it from my point of view and then you will understand.

I look at it from your point of view and all I see is Since 2008 drivel.

Can't you do any better than that?

Honestly the way you repeat yourself is becoming boring.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

An unbelievable post.

No I did post it, honest.

I'm not sure your correct about the 'old guard' being against the re-brand. Like the vast majority of us the ones I know are dead against the red shirt but accept it as part of the over all package which comes with the re-branding.

I've not joined any allegiance as see no point but the one's I have been contacted by have all been old Guard and reading the Forums the majority seem to be that way.

Also how can you discribe someone who has bought a season ticket as a 'Glory Hunter' or 'Bandwagon Jumper?'

Very easily. Season tickets were bought to obtain Wembley tickets on more than one occasion. Have we not read on here about " fans" renegading on their finance agreements after the event ? Their lies the term " Glory Hunter " for you. What would your term be of such person ?

We have 16,000+ season ticket holders out of an average crowd of 22,000 (which would include away fans)

And many of those bought on the back of either Wembley visits or the vein hope of promotion. Check the figures.

Like it or not times move on and new generations are joining our ranks all of the time. The vast majority of our newer fans couldn't have watched us at NP in the 80's & 90's simply because they weren't born (or weren't old enough), but they are there now and will be there long after you and me are gone. How you can relate to these fans as Glory Hunters is beyond me.

They should have been raised by the Club and their parents to the Club's traditions and so forth.

Don't bite against the troll

Don't bite against the troll

Shut up fool.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

An unbelievable post.

No I did post it, honest.

I'm not sure your correct about the 'old guard' being against the re-brand. Like the vast majority of us the ones I know are dead against the red shirt but accept it as part of the over all package which comes with the re-branding.

I've not joined any allegiance as see no point but the one's I have been contacted by have all been old Guard and reading the Forums the majority seem to be that way.

Also how can you discribe someone who has bought a season ticket as a 'Glory Hunter' or 'Bandwagon Jumper?'

Very easily. Season tickets were bought to obtain Wembley tickets on more than one occasion. Have we not read on here about " fans" renegading on their finance agreements after the event ? Their lies the term " Glory Hunter " for you. What would your term be of such person ?

We have 16,000+ season ticket holders out of an average crowd of 22,000 (which would include away fans)

And many of those bought on the back of either Wembley visits or the vein hope of promotion. Check the figures.

Like it or not times move on and new generations are joining our ranks all of the time. The vast majority of our newer fans couldn't have watched us at NP in the 80's & 90's simply because they weren't born (or weren't old enough), but they are there now and will be there long after you and me are gone. How you can relate to these fans as Glory Hunters is beyond me.

They should have been raised by the Club and their parents to the Club's traditions and so forth.

I'm supposed to be impressed by that drivel? Honestly some of your responses are beyond belief, are you really claiming that 16,000 season ticket holders are there only because they wanted Wembley Final tickets?

As for the rest (including one about football parenting ) it simply isn't worth responding because you are obviously suffering from chronic delusion.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

An unbelievable post.

No I did post it, honest.

I'm not sure your correct about the 'old guard' being against the re-brand. Like the vast majority of us the ones I know are dead against the red shirt but accept it as part of the over all package which comes with the re-branding.

I've not joined any allegiance as see no point but the one's I have been contacted by have all been old Guard and reading the Forums the majority seem to be that way.

Also how can you discribe someone who has bought a season ticket as a 'Glory Hunter' or 'Bandwagon Jumper?'

Very easily. Season tickets were bought to obtain Wembley tickets on more than one occasion. Have we not read on here about " fans" renegading on their finance agreements after the event ? Their lies the term " Glory Hunter " for you. What would your term be of such person ?

We have 16,000+ season ticket holders out of an average crowd of 22,000 (which would include away fans)

And many of those bought on the back of either Wembley visits or the vein hope of promotion. Check the figures.

Like it or not times move on and new generations are joining our ranks all of the time. The vast majority of our newer fans couldn't have watched us at NP in the 80's & 90's simply because they weren't born (or weren't old enough), but they are there now and will be there long after you and me are gone. How you can relate to these fans as Glory Hunters is beyond me.

They should have been raised by the Club and their parents to the Club's traditions and so forth.

I'm supposed to be impressed by that drivel? Honestly some of your responses are beyond belief, are you really claiming that 16,000 season ticket holders are there only because they wanted Wembley Final tickets?

As for the rest (including one about football parenting ) it simply isn't worth responding because you are obviously suffering from chronic delusion.

You asked the questions. The answers obviously don't suit. Check the stats of how many season tickets were sold off the back of Wembley visits.

Maybe you should refer to the original thread title and the question raised there too?

Hmmm so for five years of his life he didnt watch the City Now thats a plastic Lee

:quote="Bluebird64"]Someone who will distance himself from the club colours at the drop of a hat on the promise of glory. [/quote]

A cardiff city supporter is a cardiff city supporter no one is more important than the other. Young supporters are great for the future of the club I love seeing kids coming to support us .

A plastic a so called Liverpool Man U etc supporter but will jump on the cardiff city bandwagon when we play in a big game o like certain wembley cup finals and the play offs at Millinium too. we were getting gates like 8 to 13000 and we get to the plays offs against QPR and we find 30.000 and the same for the FA Cup final.

Supporters who want to wear red like the team is playing in are not plastics they are not bad for the club either on the other side a supported who wants to wear blue and keep blue is not bad for the club either.

But supporters on either side insulting each other is wrong respect each others views and do what is good for Cardiff City and support the team .

I heard a supporter of the keep Blue look at 2 kids outside the stadium in their new red shirts and he said I would rather be dead than red these kids were about 8 and 10 this bloke was in his 30s I am sorry that is wrong these kids didnt know what he was on about fair play their father didnt react but that was wrong.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

An unbelievable post.

No I did post it, honest.

I'm not sure your correct about the 'old guard' being against the re-brand. Like the vast majority of us the ones I know are dead against the red shirt but accept it as part of the over all package which comes with the re-branding.

I've not joined any allegiance as see no point but the one's I have been contacted by have all been old Guard and reading the Forums the majority seem to be that way.

Also how can you discribe someone who has bought a season ticket as a 'Glory Hunter' or 'Bandwagon Jumper?'

Very easily. Season tickets were bought to obtain Wembley tickets on more than one occasion. Have we not read on here about " fans" renegading on their finance agreements after the event ? Their lies the term " Glory Hunter " for you. What would your term be of such person ?

We have 16,000+ season ticket holders out of an average crowd of 22,000 (which would include away fans)

And many of those bought on the back of either Wembley visits or the vein hope of promotion. Check the figures.

Like it or not times move on and new generations are joining our ranks all of the time. The vast majority of our newer fans couldn't have watched us at NP in the 80's & 90's simply because they weren't born (or weren't old enough), but they are there now and will be there long after you and me are gone. How you can relate to these fans as Glory Hunters is beyond me.

They should have been raised by the Club and their parents to the Club's traditions and so forth.

I'm supposed to be impressed by that drivel? Honestly some of your responses are beyond belief, are you really claiming that 16,000 season ticket holders are there only because they wanted Wembley Final tickets?

As for the rest (including one about football parenting ) it simply isn't worth responding because you are obviously suffering from chronic delusion.

You asked the questions. The answers obviously don't suit. Check the stats of how many season tickets were sold off the back of Wembley visits.

Maybe you should refer to the original thread title and the question raised there too?

Never go into marketing will you! Dont try and become successful because you will expand and grow and thats bad news for everyone! Im guessing people who drink in pubs are plastic drinkers these days because women can drink in the vault aswell!

I think the term plastic is pretty pathetic anyway. People have a right to go to games when they want without being mocked.

Always feel like an outsider the way the older fans talk on here about young fans.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

HERE HERE PAL HERE f*cking HERE.

The reds are the lets say, "newer fans" who only joined when we gained promotion to the second tier, many have stuck around since then ONLY to go to Wembley and guarentee a seat in the CCS if we were to go up, it's a f*cking disgrace. Third tier football is the only way to deplastify the club.

although i agree with you, i also think some older fans in the club dont give a shit what happens. as long as they can see rooney and co down here next season?

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

HERE HERE PAL HERE f*cking HERE.

The reds are the lets say, "newer fans" who only joined when we gained promotion to the second tier, many have stuck around since then ONLY to go to Wembley and guarentee a seat in the CCS if we were to go up, it's a f*cking disgrace. Third tier football is the only way to deplastify the club.

although i agree with you, i also think some older fans in the club dont give a shit what happens. as long as they can see rooney and co down here next season?

TBH, I am 50 and do want premier football ASAP, and gives a sh*t

Says a lot about your type of support then doesn't it. The plastic arm/Reds/Since 2008 Brigade need to learn that supporting a football is A LOT MORE than just Premier League football, it's sad but many of our, lets say, newer fans haven't realised this yet.

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

HERE HERE PAL HERE f*cking HERE.

The reds are the lets say, "newer fans" who only joined when we gained promotion to the second tier, many have stuck around since then ONLY to go to Wembley and guarentee a seat in the CCS if we were to go up, it's a f*cking disgrace. Third tier football is the only way to deplastify the club.

although i agree with you, i also think some older fans in the club dont give a shit what happens. as long as they can see rooney and co down here next season?

TBH, I am 50 and do want premier football ASAP, and gives a sh*t

your the people that im talking about, just want to see all the top clubs. and players down here, if we get relegated, wont see your type again?

Glory Hunters are the worst. Bandwagon jumpers could be derived as another term. It's these types who have allowed the passing of the re brand. The majority jumped on as Hammam started the revolution and the rest as the stadium went up and the hope of premiership football. They couldn't give a shit if we were red , white , green or pink. The majority against the changes are the likes who were there when the gate was 2-5k I would imagine.

HERE HERE PAL HERE f*cking HERE.

The reds are the lets say, "newer fans" who only joined when we gained promotion to the second tier, many have stuck around since then ONLY to go to Wembley and guarentee a seat in the CCS if we were to go up, it's a f*cking disgrace. Third tier football is the only way to deplastify the club.

although i agree with you, i also think some older fans in the club dont give a shit what happens. as long as they can see rooney and co down here next season?

TBH, I am 50 and do want premier football ASAP, and gives a sh*t

your the people that im talking about, just want to see all the top clubs. and players down here, if we get relegated, wont see your type again?

Been going for 40 years don't think i will stop if we dont make it

Ayatolla went once in 72 then didn't go again since promotion to the second tier. Since then he's been holding out for promotion just so he can watch his Man Yoo idols in action and the odd trip to WEMBERLY.

I supported well followed man u till i was sixteen then went to my first cardiff game and havnt missed a home game since and travelled away to follow city. Does this make me a plastic because i didnt support city untill i experience a game first hand ? Since that day i havnt looked for a unt score or been botherd about them ever since. In my eyes its some fans just trying to get one overbon another when really we should be united one.

Also because i dont post on this bored as often as others does that make me plastic because some people seem to base it on that.

I think I have more time for the 'plastics' in their Liverpool shirts than I do for the penis-comparing, uber-judgemental dicks who think you are only a 'real fan' if your family is starving but you go to the correct number of away games.

Many people just do not have the cash to go to games - especially when it means taking the whole family - so who the hell is in a position to judge them?

tbh i think the hardcore supporter who never misses a match home and away are quite a sad bunch who obviously put themselves first before their families and have no other life outside of football ..... poor buggers!

what if we got f**k all else to do on the weekends and have no families to look after, am i sad?

It really does not matter what other fans think. If you like a team you are a fan, case closed. So you are a for 50 years, fabulous I respect you and your loyalty. You are a credit to the club. Fan for one day, you are also a credit to the club. Both of you are fans. One knows the legacy, tradition but both cheer for Cardiff.

Clubs that don't appreciate young fans, or welcome new fans are idiotic.

Moronic word used by eejits in a desperate attempt to inflate their withering egos.

The only Cardiff City plastics out there have their parents or themselves born and live in the local of another English League team but support us and I doubt there are not many of those out there.

So this makes me a plastic then? What with being born and schooled in Croydon. Despite supporting city since before visiting Wembley. If this is so then I apologise to all those who are regulars on the forum bus for being in your presence.

To Me a Plastic is any of a group of synthetic or natural organic materials that may be shaped when soft and then hardened, including many types of resins, resinoids, polymers, cellulose derivatives, casein materials, and proteins: used in place of other materials, as glass, wood, and metals, in construction and decoration, for making many articles, as coatings, and, drawn into filaments, for weaving.

Nothing to do with being a Football Fan, each to their own I say.

DEFINITION OF A PLASTIC....

A plastic is a material of a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic organic solids that are moldable. Plastics are typically organic polymers of high molecular mass, but they often contain other substances. They are usually synthetic, most commonly derived from petrochemicals, but many are partially natural.

Most plastics contain organic polymers. The vast majority of these polymers are based on chains of carbon atoms alone or with oxygen, sulfur, or nitrogen as well. The backbone is that part of the chain on the main "path" linking a large number of repeat units together. To customize the properties of a plastic, different molecular groups "hang" from the backbone (usually they are "hung" as part of the monomers before linking monomers together to form the polymer chain). The structure of these "side chains" influence the properties of the polymer. This fine tuning of the properties of the polymer by repeating unit's molecular structure has allowed plastics to become an indispensable part of the twenty-first century world.
[edit]Additives
Most plastics contain other organic or inorganic compounds blended in. The amount of additives ranges from zero percentage for polymers used to wrap foods to more than 50% for certain electronic applications. The average content of additives is 20% by weight of the polymer. Fillers improve performance and/or reduce production costs. Stabilizing additives include fire retardants to lower the flammability of the material. Many plastics contain fillers, relatively inert and inexpensive materials that make the product cheaper by weight. Typically fillers are mineral in origin, e.g., chalk. Some fillers are more chemically active and are called reinforcing agents. Since many organic polymers are too rigid for particular applications, they are blended with plasticizers, oily compounds that confer improved rheology. Colorants are common additives, although their weight contribution is small. Many of the controversies associated with plastics are associated with the additives.[2]
[edit]Classification

Plastics are usually classified by their chemical structure of the polymer's backbone and side chains. Some important groups in these classifications are the acrylics, polyesters, silicones, polyurethanes, and halogenated plastics. Plastics can also be classified by the chemical process used in their synthesis, such as condensation, polyaddition, and cross-linking.[3]
[edit]Thermoplastics and thermosetting polymers
There are two types of plastics: thermoplastics and thermosetting polymers. Thermoplastics are the plastics that do not undergo chemical change in their composition when heated and can be molded again and again. Examples include polyethylene, polypropylene, polystyrene, polyvinyl chloride, and polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE).[4] Common thermoplastics range from 20,000 to 500,000 amu, while thermosets are assumed to have infinite molecular weight. These chains are made up of many repeating molecular units, known as repeat units, derived from monomers; each polymer chain will have several thousand repeating units.
Thermosets can melt and take shape once; after they have solidified, they stay solid. In the thermosetting process, a chemical reaction occurs that is irreversible. The vulcanization of rubber is a thermosetting process. Before heating with sulfur, the polyisoprene is a tacky, slightly runny material, but after vulcanization the product is rigid and non-tacky.
[edit]Other classifications
Other classifications are based on qualities that are relevant for manufacturing or product design. Examples of such classes are the thermoplastic and thermoset, elastomer, structural, biodegradable, and electrically conductive. Plastics can also be classified by various physical properties, such as density, tensile strength, glass transition temperature, and resistance to various chemical products.
[edit]Biodegradability
Main article: Biodegradable plastic
Biodegradable plastics break down (degrade) upon exposure to sunlight (e.g., ultra-violet radiation), water or dampness, bacteria, enzymes, wind abrasion, and in some instances, rodent, pest, or insect attack are also included as forms of biodegradation or environmental degradation. Some modes of degradation require that the plastic be exposed at the surface, whereas other modes will only be effective if certain conditions exist in landfill or composting systems. Starch powder has been mixed with plastic as a filler to allow it to degrade more easily, but it still does not lead to complete breakdown of the plastic. Some researchers have actually genetically engineered bacteria that synthesize a completely biodegradable plastic, but this material, such as Biopol, is expensive at present.[5] The German chemical company BASF makes Ecoflex, a fully biodegradable polyester for food packaging applications.
[edit]Natural vs synthetic
Main article: Bioplastic
Most plastics are produced from petrochemicals. Motivated by the finiteness of petrochemical reserves and possibility of global warming, bioplastics are being developed. Bioplastics are made substantially from renewable plant materials such as cellulose and starch.[6]
In comparison to the global consumption of all flexible packaging, estimated at 12.3 million tonnes/year, estimates put global production capacity at 327,000 tonnes/year for related bio-derived materials.[7][8]
[edit]Crystalline vs amorphous
Some plastics are partially crystalline and partially amorphous in molecular structure, giving them both a melting point (the temperature at which the attractive intermolecular forces are overcome) and one or more glass transitions (temperatures above which the extent of localized molecular flexibility is substantially increased). The so-called semi-crystalline plastics include polyethylene, polypropylene, poly (vinyl chloride), polyamides (nylons), polyesters and some polyurethanes. Many plastics are completely amorphous, such as polystyrene and its copolymers, poly (methyl methacrylate), and all thermosets.