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The phrase "good old days" is a sign of age and little else.

Not in this instance mate it really was much better back then.

The atmosphere couldn't have been much worse to be fair. One bonus is it's a better environment for familes/kids at the CCS, not that that matters to most fans like yourself.

I have kids but their girls and you know my feelings on wonen and football

Id take the old days back over safety. Selfish I know but for me its gone too pc now

The phrase "good old days" is a sign of age and little else.

Not in this instance mate it really was much better back then.

The atmosphere couldn't have been much worse to be fair. One bonus is it's a better environment for familes/kids at the CCS, not that that matters to most fans like yourself.

I have kids but their girls and you know my feelings on wonen and football

Id take the old days back over safety. Selfish I know but for me its gone too pc now

They don't attend then?

I think most people would do just that, I don't really like the CCS (playstations, really?) it seems so distant and artificial. I used to look at the Grange end in awe, gutted I never got to experience it.

For me, "modern football" has changed Cardiff City completely since we've left Ninian Park and it's getting worse. I'm only 17 though so I'm not allowed an opinion.

"Modern Football", it's all about opinions. I started watching the Swans when I was a kid back in 1985, and I can still remember my old man moaning about modern football back then!

Football to him was all about the good old days of 100,000+ jammed into Hampden Park, or getting a train through to Ibrox, not the so called football that I was going along to watch. The sad bit was that he fell away from the game that he clearly loved back in the day, and started going along to watch the Whites play rugby more and more.

So, to him, the 80's was modern football and unrecognisable to the sport he grew up with in the 50's and 60's, much like I suspect many on here who have been following football for 20 or 30 years don't like everything about the game now.

But I will say this, taking my lad to the football these days is a much safer environment than when I was a kid, there are many things I miss about the Vetch, but without the rose tinted specs on, it was falling down and it was time to move on. Some may disagree, but as I say, all about opinions.

That is a very good post but there are many children, my daughter included, who love and miss the atmosphere that was created at Ninian Park on times and that we experience at away grounds.

My children's safety is paramount but the banter, singing and togetherness when we chant as a full stand is lacking at CCS.

With my lad, he was too young to really remember the Vetch, so all he really knows is the Liberty stadium, so to him, there is no benchmark to compare against. Added to that, since we moved there, all he has really known is relative success compared to the years when I started going.

On a slight tangent, in the past couple of seasons, the atmosphere at the Liberty has finally kicked in, it took 5 years to get it right but the night where we beat Forest in the play-off match compared with anything I saw at the Vetch. But this is his version of football, and not really mine. I hated the Liberty stadium when we first moved there and I still miss the Vetch.

I know we hadnt pkayed for 10 years or so but the cup game against the Jacks the atmisphere that night was as good as any derby at NP or the Vetch.

I know we hadnt pkayed for 10 years or so but the cup game against the Jacks the atmisphere that night was as good as any derby at NP or the Vetch.

I was working in Cardiff at the time and finished just before kick off. Watched the game in the Irish pub across from the castle, had to stay quiet all the way through the match and then quietly sneaked out at full time.

I know we hadnt pkayed for 10 years or so but the cup game against the Jacks the atmisphere that night was as good as any derby at NP or the Vetch.

I was working in Cardiff at the time and finished just before kick off. Watched the game in the Irish pub across from the castle, had to stay quiet all the way through the match and then quietly sneaked out at full time.

Dempseys. Dont blame you staying quiet

Gwyn that is a very take the piss out of our young fans with a post aimed at belitling them .
For one football of old is not all about violence like you are saying.
I know the lads you are referring to and they are tidy lads who remember the days at Ninian Park and you are old enough not to use your wit to take piss like you are doing.
Yes they don't know the 70s 80, or 90s but that does not mean they do not have a opinion and being belittled.
They are against the re brand and all that modern football entails and you Gwyn are out of order sorry mate trying to belittle 18 year olds that according to you should have no opinion on anything as they are youngsters.
Maybe there opinion of us oldies is we should have no opinion because we are nearly senile L

Gwyn that is a very take the piss out of our young fans with a post aimed at belitling them .
For one football of old is not all about violence like you are saying.
I know the lads you are referring to and they are tidy lads who remember the days at Ninian Park and you are old enough not to use your wit to take piss like you are doing.
Yes they don't know the 70s 80, or 90s but that does not mean they do not have a opinion and being belittled.
They are against the re brand and all that modern football entails and you Gwyn are out of order sorry mate trying to belittle 18 year olds that according to you should have no opinion on anything as they are youngsters.
Maybe there opinion of us oldies is we should have no opinion because we are nearly senile L

How am I belittling them, when all I have done is ask how they can say they area against modern football and that is all they have ever know, I don't think they need me too belittle them.

It would be a bit like me saying I'm against modern transport, but can't remember what is was like when we only had horses.

If they are against modern football, why did they start watching during the modern football era, because it's been around quite a few years now, surely older people who have lived through different eras can make a comparison.

I and many others I'm sure will remember plenty off occasions when I have seen family's caught up in invasions and mini riots with kids screaming and traumatised. Some youngsters have romantic images of what things were like during the old era, if it had been that good at Ninian Park, why were our crowds averaging less than five thousand for such a big part of them.

Nothing beat having a waz into that trench at NP with the open roof.

Modern footy has ruined that, proper facilities attracting new fans, gits.

Jesus people mentioning that dudders whos watched us for two season, i mean is it really worth these words on our screen over some jumped up english yuppie who trys to define modern football with a jumper his nan knitted him on a sky sports interview, when clearly hes never seen anything other than modern football.

"Modern Football", it's all about opinions. I started watching the Swans when I was a kid back in 1985, and I can still remember my old man moaning about modern football back then!

Football to him was all about the good old days of 100,000+ jammed into Hampden Park, or getting a train through to Ibrox, not the so called football that I was going along to watch. The sad bit was that he fell away from the game that he clearly loved back in the day, and started going along to watch the Whites play rugby more and more.

So, to him, the 80's was modern football and unrecognisable to the sport he grew up with in the 50's and 60's, much like I suspect many on here who have been following football for 20 or 30 years don't like everything about the game now.

But I will say this, taking my lad to the football these days is a much safer environment than when I was a kid, there are many things I miss about the Vetch, but without the rose tinted specs on, it was

falling down and it was time to move on. Some may disagree, but as I say, all about opinions.

Ninian park was bollox most of the time 1 great atmosphere in 10 games I say on average early 90s when I started most games were dire so we had generate our own fun
That is a very good post but there are many children, my daughter included, who love and miss the atmosphere that was created at Ninian Park on times and that we experience at away grounds.

My children's safety is paramount but the banter, singing and togetherness when we chant as a full stand is lacking at CCS.

Gwyn that is a very take the piss out of our young fans with a post aimed at belitling them .
For one football of old is not all about violence like you are saying.
I know the lads you are referring to and they are tidy lads who remember the days at Ninian Park and you are old enough not to use your wit to take piss like you are doing.
Yes they don't know the 70s 80, or 90s but that does not mean they do not have a opinion and being belittled.
They are against the re brand and all that modern football entails and you Gwyn are out of order sorry mate trying to belittle 18 year olds that according to you should have no opinion on anything as they are youngsters.
Maybe there opinion of us oldies is we should have no opinion because we are nearly senile L

How am I belittling them, when all I have done is ask how they can say they area against modern football and that is all they have ever know, I don't think they need me too belittle them.

It would be a bit like me saying I'm against modern transport, but can't remember what is was like when we only had horses.

If they are against modern football, why did they start watching during the modern football era, because it's been around quite a few years now, surely older people who have lived through different eras can make a comparison.

I and many others I'm sure will remember plenty off occasions when I have seen family's caught up in invasions and mini riots with kids screaming and traumatised. Some youngsters have romantic images of what things were like during the old era, if it had been that good at Ninian Park, why were our crowds averaging less than five thousand for such a big part of them.

Gwyn what is your opinion on the first world War ? Oh sorry you can't give one because you wasn't around then Or was you ? But even when these Lads first started watching it wasn't about re branding and kissing owners backsides was it. They know the difference and just because of there tender age they do have opinions and are allowed to express them. They are allowed to shag drink go to War so they certainly are allowed a opinion. There are guys out there the same age who are for the re branding, i don't go around saying they don't have an opinion on what they think.

Gwyn that is a very take the piss out of our young fans with a post aimed at belitling them .
For one football of old is not all about violence like you are saying.
I know the lads you are referring to and they are tidy lads who remember the days at Ninian Park and you are old enough not to use your wit to take piss like you are doing.
Yes they don't know the 70s 80, or 90s but that does not mean they do not have a opinion and being belittled.
They are against the re brand and all that modern football entails and you Gwyn are out of order sorry mate trying to belittle 18 year olds that according to you should have no opinion on anything as they are youngsters.
Maybe there opinion of us oldies is we should have no opinion because we are nearly senile L

How am I belittling them, when all I have done is ask how they can say they area against modern football and that is all they have ever know, I don't think they need me too belittle them.

It would be a bit like me saying I'm against modern transport, but can't remember what is was like when we only had horses.

If they are against modern football, why did they start watching during the modern football era, because it's been around quite a few years now, surely older people who have lived through different eras can make a comparison.

I and many others I'm sure will remember plenty off occasions when I have seen family's caught up in invasions and mini riots with kids screaming and traumatised. Some youngsters have romantic images of what things were like during the old era, if it had been that good at Ninian Park, why were our crowds averaging less than five thousand for such a big part of them.

Maybe it's because this happens to be the time we are alive?
I maybe wrong but the image you are talking about is the one below? As you commented on it & posted this shortly after. If I'm right then I do find this quite belittling, just because we weren't around doesn't mean we don't have an idea about it. Everyone has a right to have an opinion and I'm certainly not embarrassed about mine.

Gwyn that is a very take the piss out of our young fans with a post aimed at belitling them .
For one football of old is not all about violence like you are saying.
I know the lads you are referring to and they are tidy lads who remember the days at Ninian Park and you are old enough not to use your wit to take piss like you are doing.
Yes they don't know the 70s 80, or 90s but that does not mean they do not have a opinion and being belittled.
They are against the re brand and all that modern football entails and you Gwyn are out of order sorry mate trying to belittle 18 year olds that according to you should have no opinion on anything as they are youngsters.
Maybe there opinion of us oldies is we should have no opinion because we are nearly senile L

How am I belittling them, when all I have done is ask how they can say they area against modern football and that is all they have ever know, I don't think they need me too belittle them.

It would be a bit like me saying I'm against modern transport, but can't remember what is was like when we only had horses.

If they are against modern football, why did they start watching during the modern football era, because it's been around quite a few years now, surely older people who have lived through different eras can make a comparison.

I and many others I'm sure will remember plenty off occasions when I have seen family's caught up in invasions and mini riots with kids screaming and traumatised. Some youngsters have romantic images of what things were like during the old era, if it had been that good at Ninian Park, why were our crowds averaging less than five thousand for such a big part of them.

Maybe it's because this happens to be the time we are alive?
I maybe wrong but the image you are talking about is the one below? As you commented on it & posted this shortly after. If I'm right then I do find this quite belittling, just because we weren't around doesn't mean we don't have an idea about it. Everyone has a right to have an opinion and I'm certainly not embarrassed about mine.

Good on you Fishy. The joke aint on you fella

But if your against modern football, how did you become football fans during the modern football era, surely you can see the anomalies in that.
No one is saying you can't have an opinion, even if you never experienced that era, but to say you are against something you obviously love and feel passionate about is strange.

It be like me saying, I hate cheese and onion crisps, but i still eat them all the time! or I hate holidaying in Spain, so I go there three times a year.

If you are against mode football, why not support or attend something you are actually for and like, which era of football do you refer to as post modern, was it the onset of Sky TV, the Bosman ruling or even further back when Jimmy Hill managed to get the maximum wage scrapped for footballers.

If there was no modern football in the UK, do you think our best players would be gracing our pitches, or would they be plying their trade in greener pastures.

If you are against modern football, why not stick to local leagues, serious question, what is it about modern football that is wrong, and was so good in the old days that it changed for the worse in your eyes?

Your a weird one Nukes. You poke fun at a kidnapped child, make racist remarks then take the highground over someine having an opinion some impressionable dickheads.

Cant argue with Gwyn on this one, he has a point.

Your a weird one Nukes. You poke fun at a kidnapped child, make racist remarks then take the highground over someine having an opinion some impressionable dickheads.

He's had to much time to think during his two week permanent retirement from this message board.

Cant argue with Gwyn on this one, he has a point.

I just find it strange, I'm against modern show jumping, so I don't f*cking watch it, quite easy really.

Gwyn has won this hands down lads .

There was even more people around these parts against modern football during the Durban years, perhaps that's why we were getting two thousand crowds.I thought it was modern then because the started selling flavoured crisps instead of salt in a blue wrapper type, and when they started having a colour photo in the programme, I thought we had traveled forward in time.

The players were on Fifty quid a week, and for some of them, that was at least forty five pounds too much. The good old days, Typhoid, small pox, the bubonic plague,polio, Tuberculosis, what went wrong.

Cant argue with Gwyn on this one, he has a point.

of course he has a point the only ones disagreeing with him are kids and the anti malaysians

Gwyn that is a very take the piss out of our young fans with a post aimed at belitling them .
For one football of old is not all about violence like you are saying.
I know the lads you are referring to and they are tidy lads who remember the days at Ninian Park and you are old enough not to use your wit to take piss like you are doing.
Yes they don't know the 70s 80, or 90s but that does not mean they do not have a opinion and being belittled.
They are against the re brand and all that modern football entails and you Gwyn are out of order sorry mate trying to belittle 18 year olds that according to you should have no opinion on anything as they are youngsters.
Maybe there opinion of us oldies is we should have no opinion because we are nearly senile L

How am I belittling them, when all I have done is ask how they can say they area against modern football and that is all they have ever know, I don't think they need me too belittle them.

It would be a bit like me saying I'm against modern transport, but can't remember what is was like when we only had horses.

If they are against modern football, why did they start watching during the modern football era, because it's been around quite a few years now, surely older people who have lived through different eras can make a comparison.

I and many others I'm sure will remember plenty off occasions when I have seen family's caught up in invasions and mini riots with kids screaming and traumatised. Some youngsters have romantic images of what things were like during the old era, if it had been that good at Ninian Park, why were our crowds averaging less than five thousand for such a big part of them.

Gwyn what is your opinion on the first world War ? Oh sorry you can't give one because you wasn't around then Or was you ? But even when these Lads first started watching it wasn't about re branding and kissing owners backsides was it. They know the difference and just because of there tender age they do have opinions and are allowed to express them. They are allowed to shag drink go to War so they certainly are allowed a opinion. There are guys out there the same age who are for the re branding, i don't go around saying they don't have an opinion on what they think.

And this coming from you who works in a Nuclear plant, how would you feel if we went back to coal. Gwyn Davies, against modern energy, I can feel a banner coming on now.

But if your against modern football, how did you become football fans during the modern football era, surely you can see the anomalies in that.
No one is saying you can't have an opinion, even if you never experienced that era, but to say you are against something you obviously love and feel passionate about is strange.

It be like me saying, I hate cheese and onion crisps, but i still eat them all the time! or I hate holidaying in Spain, so I go there three times a year.

If you are against mode football, why not support or attend something you are actually for and like, which era of football do you refer to as post modern, was it the onset of Sky TV, the Bosman ruling or even further back when Jimmy Hill managed to get the maximum wage scrapped for footballers.

If there was no modern football in the UK, do you think our best players would be gracing our pitches, or would they be plying their trade in greener pastures.

If you are against modern football, why not stick to local leagues, serious question, what is it about modern football that is wrong, and was so good in the old days that it changed for the worse in your eyes?

You're clearly missing the point.

Obviously they're not against football itself, but against certain aspects of 'modern' football; namely the power and control that owners possess nowadays (such as VT). Surely you can be against that regardless of age?

But if your against modern football, how did you become football fans during the modern football era, surely you can see the anomalies in that.
No one is saying you can't have an opinion, even if you never experienced that era, but to say you are against something you obviously love and feel passionate about is strange.

It be like me saying, I hate cheese and onion crisps, but i still eat them all the time! or I hate holidaying in Spain, so I go there three times a year.

If you are against mode football, why not support or attend something you are actually for and like, which era of football do you refer to as post modern, was it the onset of Sky TV, the Bosman ruling or even further back when Jimmy Hill managed to get the maximum wage scrapped for footballers.

If there was no modern football in the UK, do you think our best players would be gracing our pitches, or would they be plying their trade in greener pastures.

If you are against modern football, why not stick to local leagues, serious question, what is it about modern football that is wrong, and was so good in the old days that it changed for the worse in your eyes?

You're clearly missing the point.

Obviously they're not against football itself, but against certain aspects of 'modern' football; namely the power and control that owners possess nowadays (such as VT). Surely you can be against that regardless of age?

Well why not have a banner saying quite like modern football, but there are certain aspects i disagree with, got a nice ring to it.
Also why not change the keep Cardiff Blue, to change it back to blue, the whole thing would make a bit more sense.incidentally, did these power mad owner types only get into football in recent years, because I can name quite a few going back many years, Ken bates at Chelsea in the early eighty's
wanting to put electric fences around the pitch at Chelsea to name but one.

The whole concept of owning something is that you own it, you control it, that don't just apply to football, I can see some young communists forming here.

I don't agree with their view (being a 'reluctant red') but I'm just suggesting that they're probably against traits of modern football such as all-powerful owners and the like. Not football itself as you seemed to insinuate.

Controlling owners are more common nowadays than they were in the eighties, I imagine.

But if your against modern football, how did you become football fans during the modern football era, surely you can see the anomalies in that.
No one is saying you can't have an opinion, even if you never experienced that era, but to say you are against something you obviously love and feel passionate about is strange.

It be like me saying, I hate cheese and onion crisps, but i still eat them all the time! or I hate holidaying in Spain, so I go there three times a year.

If you are against mode football, why not support or attend something you are actually for and like, which era of football do you refer to as post modern, was it the onset of Sky TV, the Bosman ruling or even further back when Jimmy Hill managed to get the maximum wage scrapped for footballers.

If there was no modern football in the UK, do you think our best players would be gracing our pitches, or would they be plying their trade in greener pastures.

If you are against modern football, why not stick to local leagues, serious question, what is it about modern football that is wrong, and was so good in the old days that it changed for the worse in your eyes?

You're clearly missing the point.

Obviously they're not against football itself, but against certain aspects of 'modern' football; namely the power and control that owners possess nowadays (such as VT). Surely you can be against that regardless of age?

is it just me who thinks that sky run football now.
without their billions over the last 20 years wnere would we be now.
without the prospect of getting to the premier league and earning millions none of the foreign investors including tan would have touched most clubs with a barge pole.
without skys money football at premier league and championship level would struggle to survive

I don't agree with their view (being a 'reluctant red') but I'm just suggesting that they're probably against traits of modern football such as all-powerful owners and the like. Not football itself as you seemed to insinuate.

No, it's them insinuating it by writing those exact words on a banner

Controlling owners are more common nowadays than they were in the eighties, I imagine.

But if your against modern football, how did you become football fans during the modern football era, surely you can see the anomalies in that.
No one is saying you can't have an opinion, even if you never experienced that era, but to say you are against something you obviously love and feel passionate about is strange.

It be like me saying, I hate cheese and onion crisps, but i still eat them all the time! or I hate holidaying in Spain, so I go there three times a year.

If you are against mode football, why not support or attend something you are actually for and like, which era of football do you refer to as post modern, was it the onset of Sky TV, the Bosman ruling or even further back when Jimmy Hill managed to get the maximum wage scrapped for footballers.

If there was no modern football in the UK, do you think our best players would be gracing our pitches, or would they be plying their trade in greener pastures.

If you are against modern football, why not stick to local leagues, serious question, what is it about modern football that is wrong, and was so good in the old days that it changed for the worse in your eyes?

You're clearly missing the point.

Obviously they're not against football itself, but against certain aspects of 'modern' football; namely the power and control that owners possess nowadays (such as VT). Surely you can be against that regardless of age?

is it just me who thinks that sky run football now.
without their billions over the last 20 years wnere would we be now.
without the prospect of getting to the premier league and earning millions none of the foreign investors including tan would have touched most clubs with a barge pole.
without skys money football at premier league and championship level would struggle to survive

Football managed before Sky and will carry on long after they are gone.

What will have to change are the ridiculous wages that the superstars are on. I understand we have fringe squad players on £3-4000 per week. Earnie on £13k or similar. Clubs will have go manage on a reduced budget which will only be good for clubs with big attendances like us i.e turnover.

Also there won't be the massive, and unfair difference between Premiership and Championship Sky money.