NO DEAL-LANGSTON

Look Sam spent millions on shit players and now we have to pay for it the 35mill is his debt.

Hang on, Sam built assets and accrued debt, exactly the same as VT is doing, are you shouting down VT for spending tens of millions adding to our already large debt?

I often wonder why people struggle to see the bigger picture as you've just put it Carl.

i know youre going on holiday but are you really going to leave us hanging on here waiting for you to tell us if our club is in the shit or not if its not sorted now its not going to be imo

Look Sam spent millions on shit players and now we have to pay for it the 35mill is his debt.

Hang on, Sam built assets and accrued debt, exactly the same as VT is doing, are you shouting down VT for spending tens of millions adding to our already large debt?

yes but sam gambled it didn't work , now hes calling the debt back in of money he lent himself

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

IMHO

Because its not open and shut.

Sam thinks the club have breached terms of the agreement, and he is probably right. However this was his argument last time and he couldn't get a summary Judgement. If he goes to court to try to prove it not only may the court think it isn't material enough to judge that the money must be paid, but also stuff may come out which he doesn't want (see what the judge said last time), also should he win the case then VT will probably pull the plug.

Its a mess and we as fans are stuck in the middle of a chess game between 2 rich men.

if the debt has been due for 18 months then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then if i owed money for that long then I know they wouldn't wait that long for money I owed

VT & Sam are currently negotiating and have been doing so for quite a while now
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If it all ends in tears without an agreement by the 31 July then legal action would be an option.

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

Shall I ask Sam to advise Langston to call off negotiations and take the club to court, shall I say some fans think you should put a winding up order on the club or file for administration ?

For crying out loud the opportunity is here to settle for less but you ask why not go to court.

What if Langston win the day? What then?

I don't want that, do you?

i know youre going on holiday but are you really going to leave us hanging on here waiting for you to tell us if our club is in the shit or not if its not sorted now its not going to be imo

Not necessarily, the july 31 deadline was put on by Sam as far as I can see.

if Vt offers him what he wants tomorrow then I'm sure he wouldn't be stubborn enough not to take it.

as I said elsewhere, Sams position has improved with the rebranding and debt-equity promise from VT so he will allow the pressure to creep up, and in the meantime its likely his demands will go up too.

dont think anyone knows the true story and what SH ,oops i mean Langston is really owed, not Carl, not Annis, and no one knows what is offered, so probably best not to sling mud in any direction.

Look Sam spent millions on shit players and now we have to pay for it the 35mill is his debt.

Hang on, Sam built assets and accrued debt, exactly the same as VT is doing, are you shouting down VT for spending tens of millions adding to our already large debt?

yes but sam gambled it didn't work , now hes calling the debt back in of money he lent himself

Font of all knowledge, aren't you!

What the hell is VT doing, treating us a charity, for goodness sake wake up will you.

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

Shall I ask Sam to advise Langston to call off negotiations and take the club to court, shall I say some fans think you should put a winding up order on the club or file for administration ?

For crying out loud the opportunity is here to settle for less but you ask why not go to court.

What if Langston win the day? What then?

I don't want that, do you?

We're not asking him to go to court but we dont get the whole generosity of sam to scrap a large amount of debt

if the debt has been due for 18 months then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then if i owed money for that long then I know they wouldn't wait that long for money I owed

VT & Sam are currently negotiating and have been doing so for quite a while now
.
If it all ends in tears without an agreement by the 31 July then legal action would be an option.

Tony its been said on here that if its not payed in the next 24 hours the deals off totally and the club might owe him every penny of 37million or whatever it is jesus why dont we just pay what he wants now which is what was said has been put aside, just not getting it then we can get this supposed debt to equity as promised and move on which is all i really care about,

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

Shall I ask Sam to advise Langston to call off negotiations and take the club to court, shall I say some fans think you should put a winding up order on the club or file for administration ?

For crying out loud the opportunity is here to settle for less but you ask why not go to court.

What if Langston win the day? What then?

I don't want that, do you?

im not asking them to take them to court , im asking if the money is due then how come they haven't ?

dont think anyone knows the true story and what SH ,oops i mean Langston is really owed, not Carl, not Annis, and no one knows what is offered, so probably best not to sling mud in any direction.

Wrong.

And when I decide then you will know why I am confident in everything I have written.

i know youre going on holiday but are you really going to leave us hanging on here waiting for you to tell us if our club is in the shit or not if its not sorted now its not going to be imo

Not necessarily, the july 31 deadline was put on by Sam as far as I can see.

if Vt offers him what he wants tomorrow then I'm sure he wouldn't be stubborn enough not to take it.

as I said elsewhere, Sams position has improved with the rebranding and debt-equity promise from VT so he will allow the pressure to creep up, and in the meantime its likely his demands will go up too.

maybe thats what VT wants, sam to get annoyed and up it so then VT can say sam is to blame and we cant afford what hes asking or something like that?

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

Shall I ask Sam to advise Langston to call off negotiations and take the club to court, shall I say some fans think you should put a winding up order on the club or file for administration ?

For crying out loud the opportunity is here to settle for less but you ask why not go to court.

What if Langston win the day? What then?

I don't want that, do you?

We're not asking him to go to court but we dont get the whole generosity of sam to scrap a large amount of debt

this

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

Shall I ask Sam to advise Langston to call off negotiations and take the club to court, shall I say some fans think you should put a winding up order on the club or file for administration ?

For crying out loud the opportunity is here to settle for less but you ask why not go to court.

What if Langston win the day? What then?

I don't want that, do you?

im not asking them to take them to court , im asking if the money is due then how come they haven't ?

Because the club would probably suffer as a result.

if the debt has been due for 18 months then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then if i owed money for that long then I know they wouldn't wait that long for money I owed

VT & Sam are currently negotiating and have been doing so for quite a while now
.
If it all ends in tears without an agreement by the 31 July then legal action would be an option.

Tony its been said on here that if its not payed in the next 24 hours the deals off totally and the club might owe him every penny of 37million or whatever it is jesus why dont we just pay what he wants now which is what was said has been put aside, just not getting it then we can get this supposed debt to equity as promised and move on which is all i really care about,

My sentiments also.

if the debt has been due for 18 months then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then if i owed money for that long then I know they wouldn't wait that long for money I owed

VT & Sam are currently negotiating and have been doing so for quite a while now
.
If it all ends in tears without an agreement by the 31 July then legal action would be an option.

Tony its been said on here that if its not payed in the next 24 hours the deals off totally and the club might owe him every penny of 37million or whatever it is jesus why dont we just pay what he wants now which is what was said has been put aside, just not getting it then we can get this supposed debt to equity as promised and move on which is all i really care about,

You are ignoring the fact that what has been put aside isn't enough.

£10m put aside. £10m + £5m promotion bonus is what is being asked - allegedly.

Agreed about the last sentence mind and such a shame that it has come to this. Biggest beneficiarly of the rebrand is most likely to be Sam as VT has left himself open.

when you decide to say what you know, ?
is that when its public knowledge anyway, so much stirring its unbelievable.

i know youre going on holiday but are you really going to leave us hanging on here waiting for you to tell us if our club is in the shit or not if its not sorted now its not going to be imo

Not necessarily, the july 31 deadline was put on by Sam as far as I can see.

if Vt offers him what he wants tomorrow then I'm sure he wouldn't be stubborn enough not to take it.

as I said elsewhere, Sams position has improved with the rebranding and debt-equity promise from VT so he will allow the pressure to creep up, and in the meantime its likely his demands will go up too.

maybe thats what VT wants, sam to get annoyed and up it so then VT can say sam is to blame and we cant afford what hes asking or something like that?

Could well be. Strange way to work though.

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

Shall I ask Sam to advise Langston to call off negotiations and take the club to court, shall I say some fans think you should put a winding up order on the club or file for administration ?

For crying out loud the opportunity is here to settle for less but you ask why not go to court.

What if Langston win the day? What then?

I don't want that, do you?

We're not asking him to go to court but we dont get the whole generosity of sam to scrap a large amount of debt

this

The Potetial "MILLIONS OF POUNDS" the club is looking at getting from various avenues has had a major influence on decision/negotiations.
However Chances and Oppurtunities have been missed as well as deadlines, I believe the Malaysians wanted Sam sorted before the announcement of Potetial REBRANDING.

LANGSTONS position has been significantly strengthened since the announcement.
TAN HAS TO CHOSE NOW WHETHER TO FULLY COMMIT AND CLEAR...


OR PLAY A RISKIER GAME AND WIN OR LOSE .... A LOT.

if the debt has been due for 18 months then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then if i owed money for that long then I know they wouldn't wait that long for money I owed

VT & Sam are currently negotiating and have been doing so for quite a while now
.
If it all ends in tears without an agreement by the 31 July then legal action would be an option.

Tony its been said on here that if its not payed in the next 24 hours the deals off totally and the club might owe him every penny of 37million or whatever it is jesus why dont we just pay what he wants now which is what was said has been put aside, just not getting it then we can get this supposed debt to equity as promised and move on which is all i really care about,

My sentiments also.

So the next 24hours or so are vital in the future of our club then and we will find the outcome of who is telling porkies i guess

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Carl do you really believe Sam is thinking of the club because if so you have got it wrong he does not give a shit just ask some Wimbledon fans im sure they can tell you.

when you decide to say what you know, ?
is that when its public knowledge anyway, so much stirring its unbelievable.

Do me a favour and do one will you. I am not here for your benefit and what I am doing in my time and at my cost, I can hold my head high.

Look Sam spent millions on shit players and now we have to pay for it the 35mill is his debt.

Hang on, Sam built assets and accrued debt, exactly the same as VT is doing, are you shouting down VT for spending tens of millions adding to our already large debt?

yes but sam gambled it didn't work , now hes calling the debt back in of money he lent himself

Font of all knowledge, aren't you!

What the hell is VT doing, treating us a charity, for goodness sake wake up will you.

vt hasnt called debt in though has he , I believe sam is langston ( I dont have proof , but can anyone prove either way )

Carl, for god sake go and fly off to your holiday, and enjoy it, because you are getting flack you don't deserve, there is only two people thats going to resolve this, so why should you have to explain to everyone something you can't control.

Have a good holiday, and turn your computor off.

Carl do you really believe Sam is thinking of the club because if so you have got it wrong he does not give a shit just ask some Wimbledon fans im sure they can tell you.

Jason, yes I do.

if the debt has been due then why haven't sam/langston taken club to court then

IMHO

Because its not open and shut.

Sam thinks the club have breached terms of the agreement, and he is probably right. However this was his argument last time and he couldn't get a summary Judgement. If he goes to court to try to prove it not only may the court think it isn't material enough to judge that the money must be paid, but also stuff may come out which he doesn't want (see what the judge said last time), also should he win the case then VT will probably pull the plug.

Its a mess and we as fans are stuck in the middle of a chess game between 2 rich men.

TBH with you Tim I think that reference in the Judgement to the club proving that Sam was Langston at any future High Court Hearing was a complete Red Herring.

I honestly believe he is not Langston but he has permission to speak for Langston. He has that permission because Sam owes Langton money as he probably underwrote the loan notes, so if that was exposed at any High Court Hearing it would be totally immaterial as that would be between Sam and Langston with no bearing on Cardiff City Football Club.

Your other point is more probably correct, Sam is more worried that he might WIN any court case as VT would pull the plug and Langston would get pennies from any liquidation.

The Potetial "MILLIONS OF POUNDS" the club is looking at getting from various avenues has had a major influence on decision/negotiations.
However Chances and Oppurtunities have been missed as well as deadlines, I believe the Malaysians wanted Sam sorted before the announcement of Potetial REBRANDING.

LANGSTONS position has been significantly strengthened since the announcement.
TAN HAS TO CHOSE NOW WHETHER TO FULLY COMMIT AND CLEAR...


OR PLAY A RISKIER GAME AND WIN OR LOSE .... A LOT.

I agree with this entirely