Why do old people know nothing about modern football?

I have a degree and im a football scout. Go me.

And you feel you have to share that with the world because

Football scout or cub scout? I can definitely picture you in you're element giving the kids the lessons on football or "soccer" as I'd imagine you'd call it being all modern!

Boring contribution. Same old mentality on here. Has no point so just resort to insults. Further backs up my points. Thank you!

Also anyone with a decent degree should know that wiki is not an acceptable resource for referencing as its peer generated content and therefore subject to inaccuracies.

That was just a quick grab of info. More content is readily available on the website, do some research.

Don't forget Oscar and Ganso.

Oscar's attacking flare, skill and power is equal to that of Lucas Moura and Neymar, but he lacks greed, which is where the other two fall apart 80% of the time.

Ganso, on the other hand, doesn't offer quite as much pace, but what he lacks there is made up in his technical ability.

Oscar/Ganso > Lucas/Neymar

Some common sense at last however I do think Lucas is better than Ganso at the moment because Ganso had injuries which sort of knocked him back a bit.

Also anyone with a decent degree should know that wiki is not an acceptable resource for referencing as its peer generated content and therefore subject to inaccuracies.

That was just a quick grab of info. More content is readily available on the website, do some research.


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Why should I do research to back up your point? More content is readily available on which website? Or do you mean the internet?

If you can point out a website that tells me that officially the Premier League is known as the English Premier League in any country great. However, I stand by my assertion that EPL is an incorrect abbreviation.

If you are going to alienate a large part of the community you are trying to engage in debate then surely you must realize nit picking old farts like me will scrutinize every inaccuracy so I would suggest a bit more care on your behalf rather than flippant, insubstantial dissmive answers that weaken all of your arguments, some of which as I alluded to earlier may well be valid.

Out of genuine curiosity how did you end up landing the dream job of being a football scout?

The 4-6 formation won't catch on, not many player will have the players good enough to play it. The false number 9 is something you've made up i think. The role you are talking about is the number 10 role.

THIS FURTHER BACKS UP MY POINT. THE FALSE NUMBER 9 DOES EXIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(a ... n_football)#False_9

Takes me to a dead link on wiki which is hardly the place to go if you want to make a point. Why would you want your number 9 dropping deep and picking the ball up and creating? That's the job for your number 10.

The 4-6 formation won't catch on, not many player will have the players good enough to play it. The false number 9 is something you've made up i think. The role you are talking about is the number 10 role.

THIS FURTHER BACKS UP MY POINT. THE FALSE NUMBER 9 DOES EXIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(a ... n_football)#False_9

Takes me to a dead link on wiki which is hardly the place to go if you want to make a point. Why would you want your number 9 dropping deep and picking the ball up and creating? That's the job for your number 10.

Try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(a ... n_football)

False 9The False 9, in some ways, similar to a more advanced attacking midfielder/playmaker role, is an unconventional lone striker or centre-forward, who drops deep into midfield. The purpose of this is that it creates a problem for opposing center backs who can either follow him, leaving space behind them for onrushing midfielders, forwards or wingers to exploit, or leaving him have time and space to dribble or pick out a pass.

Key attributes for a False 9 are similar to those of a deep lying striker, dribbling ability to take advantage of space between the lines, good short passing ability to link up with the midfield and vision to play through team-mates making runs from deep.

One of the first examples of a False 9 system is Roma under Luciano Spalletti who used Francesco Totti, nominally a trequartista, up-front in an innovative "4-6-0" formation, this was met with a run of 11 consecutive victories. Lionel Messi was often famously used as a false 9 under Guardiola at Barcelona. At Euro 2012 Spain manager, Vicente del Bosque has alternated between using a typical striker in Fernando Torres and a False 9 in Cesc Fàbregas.

Also anyone with a decent degree should know that wiki is not an acceptable resource for referencing as its peer generated content and therefore subject to inaccuracies.

That was just a quick grab of info. More content is readily available on the website, do some research.


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Why should I do research to back up your point? More content is readily available on which website? Or do you mean the internet?

If you can point out a website that tells me that officially the Premier League is known as the English Premier League in any country great. However, I stand by my assertion that EPL is an incorrect abbreviation.

If you are going to alienate a large part of the community you are trying to engage in debate then surely you must realize nit picking old farts like me will scrutinize every inaccuracy so I would suggest a bit more care on your behalf rather than flippant, insubstantial dissmive answers that weaken all of your arguments, some of which as I alluded to earlier may well be valid.

Out of genuine curiosity how did you end up landing the dream job of being a football scout?

Because I already know im right. Not a chance im going to research something again when I know im factually correct as its my job.

Quite easy, its called education.

you are such a tw@

you are such a tw@

Serious answer. This new position 'false number 9'

Kenny Dalglish used to play exactly the same position at Liverpool in the 80's.
He'd hit the box, then drop out again, bring other players into the game, float
around outside the box.... then viola... there he is again in the 6yd box. BANG..1-0

Your spot on about these little Argies/Brazilians etc not being physically strong enough for
the 'EPL' ... back in the day, little Osvaldo Ardiles was shit for Spurs, barely got a kick
and was bullied all day long. That was in the old first division where they could kick you
6ft up in the air and YOU'd get booked for getting in the way!!!

Listen... you cant touch the little fellers these days. There is little or no physicality in the
modern day game. Aaron lennon, Nasri... these lightweights seem to do alright?

Maradona? Messi?

Your problem is, its quite obvious you've never kicked a football in your life. Try marking a
shorter player, with a lower centre of gravity. They know how to use that to their advantage
and barring kicking them up in the air (which is foul play, and if the 'referee's assistant' catches
you then it could be a yellow!!)

From your post, are you suggesting that ex players etc are not the best equipped to manage
'modern football' Clubs?

Dalglish did not play the false number 9. Can't believe anyone would think this.

Please read the full post, I specifically mention managers.

And a twelve year old like you knows it all. I hear CBBC has a channel that runs until bed time. Go watch.

Thanks. Im most certainly 12. Must be a really intelligent 12 year. I have a degree and im a football scout. Go me.

/quote]
False number 9 - i.e. Fabregas in Spain's Euro 2012 win. Not a true striker but in the number 9 role. They drop deep and link up with the play so its essentially a 4-6 formation.
/quote]

The 4-6 formation won't catch on, not many player will have the players good enough to play it. The false number 9 is something you've made up i think. The role you are talking about is the number 10 role.

THIS FURTHER BACKS UP MY POINT. THE FALSE NUMBER 9 DOES EXIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(a ... n_football)#False_9

Please ignore the Dalglish bit. Lets just say your erm... fake number 9 role had me thrown a bit.

Now explain why small skilful players like Naymar arent strong enough for the EPL

and do you think Messi could cope

Please ignore the Dalglish bit. Lets just say your erm... fake number 9 role had me thrown a bit.

Ok, no problem.

Now explain why small skilful players like Naymar arent strong enough for the EPL

and do you think Messi could cope

Neymar is weaker than Messi, Messi has better balance, Messi has had his training in Europe in CL playing physical teams since his younger days, Messi isn't used to time on the ball, Neymar is far too respected, Messi makes time on the ball, that is a massive different. Messi's core stability is better than Neymar.

The only thing Neymar is better than Messi at is tricks but on a pitch that stuff means nothing if you dont possess all the rest in abundance. Ronaldo had that. He had power and pace, strength, he could win in the air, he could go shoulder to shoulder with a defender and then do the heel chop to turn them inside out.

Neymar hasn't got that strength. Massively overrated. Dont get me wrong he is a good player but he is massively overhyped too.

He wont flop in Europe because his agent will get him a smart move to La Liga whilst cashing in himself. In La Liga at a top club he'll get time and have world class around him to look better and link up with.

In the prem he wouldn't necessary be a flop but there will be a lot of people disappointed after all the hype. He'd be another Robinho IMO.

Plus he has a worse attitude than Robinho, has a terrible disciplinary record, cannot tackle to save his life whereas Messi's and Ronaldo's ball retrieval are second to none for attacking players, he's also a constant diver, worse than Ronaldo and spoilt. This wont bode well for him in the Premiership and he'd get kicked up in the air, probably injured IMO.

He knows he wont cope which is why he's singled out Barcelona.

I actually feel sorry for him in a way. All this pressure put on his shoulders by the media and people but he wont live up to it.

He is nowhere near the level Messi is and never will be. He is nowhere near the level of Ronaldo and never will be.

I honestly would put Neymar outside the top 10 in the world. If I was going to spend money on a young player I'd spend it on one of the following 3.

1. Iker Muniain
2. Mario Gotze
3. Thiago Alcantara

If you're someone who loves skills and wants the type of player who'll do a bit of magic now and then then by all means he is the player for you. However, there are far more consistent players out there who are better than him all round and have a better attitude also.

As far as im concerned he'd be the next on the list of the overhyped Brazilian players to struggle in the Prem.

Please ignore the Dalglish bit. Lets just say your erm... fake number 9 role had me thrown a bit.

Ok, no problem.

Now explain why small skilful players like Naymar arent strong enough for the EPL

and do you think Messi could cope

Neymar is weaker than Messi, Messi has better balance, Messi has had his training in Europe in CL playing physical teams since his younger days, Messi isn't used to time on the ball, Neymar is far too respected, Messi makes time on the ball, that is a massive different. Messi's core stability is better than Neymar.

The only thing Neymar is better than Messi at is tricks but on a pitch that stuff means nothing if you dont possess all the rest in abundance. Ronaldo had that. He had power and pace, strength, he could win in the air, he could go shoulder to shoulder with a defender and then do the heel chop to turn them inside out.

Neymar hasn't got that strength. Massively overrated. Dont get me wrong he is a good player but he is massively overhyped too.

He wont flop in Europe because his agent will get him a smart move to La Liga whilst cashing in himself. In La Liga at a top club he'll get time and have world class around him to look better and link up with.

In the prem he wouldn't necessary be a flop but there will be a lot of people disappointed after all the hype. He'd be another Robinho IMO.

Plus he has a worse attitude than Robinho, has a terrible disciplinary record, cannot tackle to save his life whereas Messi's and Ronaldo's ball retrieval are second to none for attacking players, he's also a constant diver, worse than Ronaldo and spoilt. This wont bode well for him in the Premiership and he'd get kicked up in the air, probably injured IMO.

He knows he wont cope which is why he's singled out Barcelona.

I actually feel sorry for him in a way. All this pressure put on his shoulders by the media and people but he wont live up to it.

He is nowhere near the level Messi is and never will be. He is nowhere near the level of Ronaldo and never will be.

I honestly would put Neymar outside the top 10 in the world. If I was going to spend money on a young player I'd spend it on one of the following 3.

1. Iker Muniain
2. Mario Gotze
3. Thiago Alcantara

If you're someone who loves skills and wants the type of player who'll do a bit of magic now and then then by all means he is the player for you. However, there are far more consistent players out there who are better than him all round and have a better attitude also.

As far as im concerned he'd be the next on the list of the overhyped Brazilian players to struggle in the Prem.

Which is why people are comparing Neymar to Pele.... Not overhyped IMO

Although I absolutely hated them I still haven't seen a better footballing side than the Liverpool team of the 1970's & 80's. They were part of the total football generation which was sparked by Ajax and the Dutch National team in the 1970's but Liverpool refined it and were far and away the best at it.

I also remember Nottingham Forest being years ahead of their time when winning back to back European Cups in 79 & 80, where they played a kind of football which was very similar to what Spain/Barcelona do now.

TBH football goes in cycles, so we older folk know more about football because we have seen it all before.

Which is why people are comparing Neymar to Pele.... Not overhyped IMO

The same people said Denilson was the next Kaka, Robinho would tear up the Premiership, Anderson was the next big thing too apparently, oh lets not forget the flop that was Kleberson, what about Jo of Man City? was supposed to be the next big thing.

All i've learnt over the years is this, the best players from Brazil are the ones with moderate hype. Lucas Leiva had moderate hype, last season before his injury he was statistically the best defensive mid in the prem and performs for Brazil, Ramires is another who has excelled in the prem yet got relatively little hype, Juninho another who did well and wasn't overhyped as the best thing the world has ever seen, Oscar will probably be the same after taking some time to settle.

Adriano is another that was touted as the next Ronaldo

Also, Pele is one of the biggest knobs ever. He is one of the reason there is so much pressure on these players when they come to Europe because he builds them up so much and in the end they're nothing special.

The physicality of the game for some reason has led to not many Brazilians succeeding in the Prem. Brazil do a terrific job of overhyping their players as do the English.

Oscar looks good hes a simliar mold to Kaka and will be a good signing for Chelsea in the future. Talking bout overhyped and Chelsea their new boy Hazard is overhyped hes a good player but not worth the money splashed out

Also anyone with a decent degree should know that wiki is not an acceptable resource for referencing as its peer generated content and therefore subject to inaccuracies.

That was just a quick grab of info. More content is readily available on the website, do some research.


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Why should I do research to back up your point? More content is readily available on which website? Or do you mean the internet?

If you can point out a website that tells me that officially the Premier League is known as the English Premier League in any country great. However, I stand by my assertion that EPL is an incorrect abbreviation.

If you are going to alienate a large part of the community you are trying to engage in debate then surely you must realize nit picking old farts like me will scrutinize every inaccuracy so I would suggest a bit more care on your behalf rather than flippant, insubstantial dissmive answers that weaken all of your arguments, some of which as I alluded to earlier may well be valid.

Out of genuine curiosity how did you end up landing the dream job of being a football scout?

Because I already know im right. Not a chance im going to research something again when I know im factually correct as its my job.

Quite easy, its called education.

On my phone so quoting is an issue so please excuse the unusual format:

You said....

Because I already know im right. Not a chance im going to research something again when I know im factually correct as its my job.

I say...

Well very simply your not because the English Premier League does not exist so the EPL is an incorrect abbreviation no matter how many people use it




You said...

Quite easy, its called education.

I say...

1. Your statement makes a lot of assertions as to your low opinion of my own education so I would be interested to see a) your opinion of my own education and b) how you made that assumption based on nothing more than message board comments.

2. You do not need any specific qualifications to be a football agent other than a good understanding of FIFA regulations according to the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/3444881.stm is there much difference (other than an agent probably requiring a better knowledge of international legal systems) between a scout and an agent - they both identify footballing talent for sale just scouts are essentially 'in house'

3. The only definitive 'education' that would be beneficial would be FIFA/UEFA coaching badges and these seem to be a preferred but not essential qualification.

4. No concrete answers but the question 'how to become a football scout' is discussed on a number of forums and the overwhelming consensus is that unless you have been a player at a reasonably high level it is very hard to become a professional scout. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=qualif ... x-a&surl=1

So what part of your education exactly enabled you to land your dream job?

he got a B in GCSE P.E. ..............

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he got a B in GCSE P.E. ..............

Edit: Post 100!

Oscar looks good hes a simliar mold to Kaka and will be a good signing for Chelsea in the future. Talking bout overhyped and Chelsea their new boy Hazard is overhyped hes a good player but not worth the money splashed out

Agree 100%. I think Kagawa will end up being better business personally.

I tend to agree with alot of the OP. It's slightly patronising and a massive generalisation but I'm always having to tell my dad who this guy is or who that guy is because he's never heard of him.

I agree with whoever said the 4-6-0 formation won't catch on. Most teams don't have enough technically able players and intelligent players to pull it off. Barca and Spain are very lucky in that regard.

4-2-3-1 is the modern tactics with split centre backs with good technical ability and a deep playmaker with pace on the wings.

Neymar is better than most in Brazil and isn't 'holding out' for anyone in my opinion but will have the pick of the bunch before he chooses Real or Barca.

Marco Reus, Mario Gotze and Xerdan Shaqiri would be my pick of the Europaean leagues besy youngsters....

Ignoring me?

Fair enough I can be a bit of annoying tw*t when someone irritates me but interesting that you have no smart arse come back again.

The thing is if you wanted to this could have been a really good thread if you had titled it 'Let's talk about good young international players' and not come the big almighty 'i'm a very clever boy who is a professional football scout and I know so much more than the rest of you put together and no one over the age of 30 can understand anything other than 4-4-2'

Surely you must realise that even if you ARE a football scout most people on here won't believe you because you come across as childishly petulant and little bit of a fibber.

Please ignore the Dalglish bit. Lets just say your erm... fake number 9 role had me thrown a bit.

Ok, no problem.

Now explain why small skilful players like Naymar arent strong enough for the EPL

and do you think Messi could cope

Neymar is weaker than Messi, Messi has better balance, Messi has had his training in Europe in CL playing physical teams since his younger days, Messi isn't used to time on the ball, Neymar is far too respected, Messi makes time on the ball, that is a massive different. Messi's core stability is better than Neymar.

The only thing Neymar is better than Messi at is tricks but on a pitch that stuff means nothing if you dont possess all the rest in abundance. Ronaldo had that. He had power and pace, strength, he could win in the air, he could go shoulder to shoulder with a defender and then do the heel chop to turn them inside out.

Neymar hasn't got that strength. Massively overrated. Dont get me wrong he is a good player but he is massively overhyped too.

He wont flop in Europe because his agent will get him a smart move to La Liga whilst cashing in himself. In La Liga at a top club he'll get time and have world class around him to look better and link up with.

In the prem he wouldn't necessary be a flop but there will be a lot of people disappointed after all the hype. He'd be another Robinho IMO.

Plus he has a worse attitude than Robinho, has a terrible disciplinary record, cannot tackle to save his life whereas Messi's and Ronaldo's ball retrieval are second to none for attacking players, he's also a constant diver, worse than Ronaldo and spoilt. This wont bode well for him in the Premiership and he'd get kicked up in the air, probably injured IMO.

He knows he wont cope which is why he's singled out Barcelona.

I actually feel sorry for him in a way. All this pressure put on his shoulders by the media and people but he wont live up to it.

He is nowhere near the level Messi is and never will be. He is nowhere near the level of Ronaldo and never will be.

I honestly would put Neymar outside the top 10 in the world. If I was going to spend money on a young player I'd spend it on one of the following 3.

1. Iker Muniain
2. Mario Gotze
3. Thiago Alcantara

If you're someone who loves skills and wants the type of player who'll do a bit of magic now and then then by all means he is the player for you. However, there are far more consistent players out there who are better than him all round and have a better attitude also.

As far as im concerned he'd be the next on the list of the overhyped Brazilian players to struggle in the Prem.

My point was you said Neymar is to small and too weak to play in the Premiership

I notice you never used Aaron Lennon as the example in your long retort

And WHATS with all the name dropping. It means nothing. Wikipedia is an incredible tool

You never answered another of my questions either... you've never played have you. come on,
be honest

I don't think the question is 'why do old people know nothing about modern football'

its 'why do the younger generation know more than the older generation about modern football'

I'd say that evolving technology has a big part to play in that, its probably fair to say that judgement was passed or given on a player after watching them from the terraces in yesteryear, nowadays it seems that we take football managers database as gospel when it comes to talent and actual ability.

My old man knows sod all about all these European wonder kids but he can debate as good as anyone when he's seen them kick a ball.

Knowing the name on the back of a shirt or repeating an article on Google about the 'wonder kids of world football' doesn't mean the 'younger generation' know more than the 'older generation' about modern football, it just means they are aware of a players name before he signs for Chelsea.

On the subject, Neymar would be fine in this league, players like David Silva & Mata proved that last season. You can be nimble and lightweight in the premiership and be successful there's no doubt about that.

Ignoring me?

Fair enough I can be a bit of annoying tw*t when someone irritates me but interesting that you have no smart arse come back again.

The thing is if you wanted to this could have been a really good thread if you had titled it 'Let's talk about good young international players' and not come the big almighty 'i'm a very clever boy who is a professional football scout and I know so much more than the rest of you put together and no one over the age of 30 can understand anything other than 4-4-2'

Surely you must realise that even if you ARE a football scout most people on here won't believe you because you come across as childishly petulant and little bit of a fibber.

Sorry mate but i've been out the last few hours as im abroad. Just got back now. I'll answer you in due course. Dont get your knickers in a twist.

My point was you said Neymar is to small and too weak to play in the Premiership

I notice you never used Aaron Lennon as the example in your long retort

Lennon learnt his trade in the Prem with Leeds at the age of 16. By the time he was Neymars age he had already got to grips with the physical game in England. Stop making stupid comparisons. The same way in which Spanish players learn tika taka British players get used to the physicality. Its a football culture thing.

And WHATS with all the name dropping. It means nothing. Wikipedia is an incredible tool

Null point. Its all over the net.

You never answered another of my questions either... you've never played have you. come on,
be honest

I won my universities division 4 years in a row from 18 years upwards and the cup 3 times then played conference football for 2 years before quitting due to an inherited medical condition. Luckily for me I took training and went to university as well, otherwise I'd be doing something completely unrelated to football.

Ignoring me?

No.

Fair enough I can be a bit of annoying tw*t when someone irritates me but interesting that you have no smart arse come back again.

Everyone can. There is no smart arse reply. I am who I am. If you think thats being a smart arse thats your own prerogative.

The thing is if you wanted to this could have been a really good thread if you had titled it 'Let's talk about good young international players' and not come the big almighty 'i'm a very clever boy who is a professional football scout and I know so much more than the rest of you put together and no one over the age of 30 can understand anything other than 4-4-2'

Ok sorry if my thread title offended you but clearly it worked as it got a debate going and numerous responses.

Surely you must realise that even if you ARE a football scout most people on here won't believe you because you come across as childishly petulant and little bit of a fibber.

I have no reason to lie and dont need to prove myself to strangers on the net. You're entitled to believe what you want. If you think im a liar then my response can be found below.

http://files.sharenator.com/ballotelli_ ... 99-580.jpg

So you might aswell tells who you played for in the conference and what your name is

So you might aswell tells who you played for in the conference and what your name is

And why would I? Please enlighten me oh wise one as to why I'd release personal details about myself?

Also anyone with a decent degree should know that wiki is not an acceptable resource for referencing as its peer generated content and therefore subject to inaccuracies.

That was just a quick grab of info. More content is readily available on the website, do some research.


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Why should I do research to back up your point? More content is readily available on which website? Or do you mean the internet?

If you can point out a website that tells me that officially the Premier League is known as the English Premier League in any country great. However, I stand by my assertion that EPL is an incorrect abbreviation.

If you are going to alienate a large part of the community you are trying to engage in debate then surely you must realize nit picking old farts like me will scrutinize every inaccuracy so I would suggest a bit more care on your behalf rather than flippant, insubstantial dissmive answers that weaken all of your arguments, some of which as I alluded to earlier may well be valid.

Out of genuine curiosity how did you end up landing the dream job of being a football scout?

Because I already know im right. Not a chance im going to research something again when I know im factually correct as its my job.

Quite easy, its called education.

On my phone so quoting is an issue so please excuse the unusual format:

You said....

Because I already know im right. Not a chance im going to research something again when I know im factually correct as its my job.

I say...

Well very simply your not because the English Premier League does not exist so the EPL is an incorrect abbreviation no matter how many people use it




You said...

Quite easy, its called education.

I say...

1. Your statement makes a lot of assertions as to your low opinion of my own education so I would be interested to see a) your opinion of my own education and b) how you made that assumption based on nothing more than message board comments.

2. You do not need any specific qualifications to be a football agent other than a good understanding of FIFA regulations according to the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/3444881.stm is there much difference (other than an agent probably requiring a better knowledge of international legal systems) between a scout and an agent - they both identify footballing talent for sale just scouts are essentially 'in house'

3. The only definitive 'education' that would be beneficial would be FIFA/UEFA coaching badges and these seem to be a preferred but not essential qualification.

4. No concrete answers but the question 'how to become a football scout' is discussed on a number of forums and the overwhelming consensus is that unless you have been a player at a reasonably high level it is very hard to become a professional scout. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=qualif ... x-a&surl=1

So what part of your education exactly enabled you to land your dream job?

Thanks for your response but it was actually the points above I was hoping for an answer too though. Admittedly these might trickier which is why i may have rashly jumped to the conclusion you were dodging the points above. If you could shed a little wisdom on the above it would be appreciated though. I am genuinely curious how somehow who is not ex pro could land what most of us would see as a dream job. Just put it down as being a little jealous.

As for generating a debate..... as I have said in a number of my posts it is a shame that the valid points made in this thread are buried amongst moments of unnecessary antogonism.