Why are we 'still' in the English system?

Jesus wept.

OUR PLAYERS WOULD LEAVE THE CLUB. WE'D MAKE ABOUT 10 GRAND FOR WINNING THE WELSH PREM, GET KNOCKED OUT OF THE FIRST QUALIFYING STAGE AND HAVE NO TALENT TO SELL.

rant over,

Nonsense. The SPL has achieved more than the WPL in a shorter space of time because it has its top clubs in it, FACT.

If the top clubs of Welsh football were in the WPL we'd go into the 3rd round. The only reason they dont currently is because there is no reason to do so because of the lack of quality. We'd bring that quality. Players would come to us to get CL football just as they did Rangers and as they do Celtic, as they do Porto etc.

We wouldn't lose all our players. Players leave England and Wales to go to Celtic so its obvious that there is appeal in winning the league and playing in the CL, even if it was just a 2 horse race.

Tell me what is attractive playing in the Championship floating about every season? What is good for Swansea being in the premiership knowing they will never EVER EVER get into the CL?

No Welsh team will ever ever ever get in the CL through the English pyramid system. We dont have the resources to compete. However we are able to win our own league without spending too much and get into Europe.

UEFA would give us a spot if our two top teams were in the league equal to that of the SPL's and Portugals.

I've told you but I haven't decided as to whether you are ignorant or a bit of a pleb.

PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS, THERE IS MORE MONEY TO BE MADE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP DUE TO MORE PRIZE MONEY AND A BIGGER CHANCE OF INVESTMENT.

2nd rant over.

Finally, if the SPL was so successful why didn't a wealthy person buy Rangers to keep it afloat? Or buy Dunfermiline (spelling) and give them more money to buy better players to challenge for the title?

Why are we even in it? I dont want to be the best in England. I want Cardiff to be the best in the country that matters, Wales, and for us to win our own league. I think us, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport should all be in the Welsh system.

Its all just money, it has to be. We can still get in the CL through the Welsh system. Celtic attracted decent players there for their level. Diouf, Larsson, etc. they have a big stadium. Rangers had the same.

Cardiff and Swansea in the WPL would definitely get a deal from Sky because people would want to see that derby on TV.

That would boost both clubs profiles just like the old firm has done for Rangers and Celtic. It would also be better for smaller welsh sides.

CELTIC BEAT INTER MILAN 2-1. Impossible is nothing.

The Welsh League is only poor and doesn't get an auto CL spot because the best welsh teams aren't in it.

Do you think Porto cared that their league was a 2 horse race every year when they lifted the CL under Mourinho? No. I bet they felt proud, a team from their national league, representing their country, representing their people won it.

What would we achieve? Qualifying through an English system. We'd get a wild card but they know for a fact we would be representing England. There would be idiots out saying Cardiff from the EPL and they'd automatically associate Cardiff with England. Qualifying teams: Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea, Cardiff City. < ENGLAND.

Our club is still in the English system for money which is sad.

I would much rather our club fight to the death with Swansea every season for that spot in Europe. Thats where our true rivalry is, with them.

To be fair, the English have a point. Our league has existed for 20 years now, the WPL, why are we still playing in Englands system?

Anyone who responds with 'money' is more of a sellout than those who want a red kit imo.

If we ever go into admin, this may even happen because I can see us being rejected a place back in the English system if we go down the same path as Rangers.

WELSH FOOTBALL WILL NEVER BE ON THE INTERNATIONAL MAP UNTIL ITS TOP CLUBS ARE IN ITS OWN DOMESTIC LEAGUE. FACT.

Cardiff and Swansea playing in the English system is like putting Porto and Benfica in La Liga. Its stupid. Our system wont grow because the two biggest cities, Cardiff and Swansea aren't their to promote it or help it. We've left the rest of Welsh football to rot.

Just like Benfica and Porto do, and Celtic do and Rangers did, we should be in the Welsh system, tapping up all the best Welsh talent across the country and then selling them on. i.e. McGeady to Russia, Allen might be going to Liverpool, Ramsey to Arsenal etc. That money would have done better for us in the Welsh system than it would in the Championship.

Lets be honest, we will never compete at the top level of English football and its dumb to think we will. Liverpool, City, United, Chelsea are financial powerhouses, have massive cities with international links etc.

Our city has a tiny population that is unlikely to rapidly grow to the level of those cities. There is a reason those cities have been dominant. London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, etc.

I would rather us win the WPL and gain CL qualification representing our own country than become a Stoke in the prem and have to settle for 2nd best and just hope we win a cup every year. Thats all we'll become. Just watch Swansea. They'll be a mid table floating team for the next few years then flirt with relegation probably, maybe come back down. Where is the ambition in that?

There is just no way we can compete with City, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle, etc. so we'd be settling for second best.

If you disagree then fair enough but I just think the reason people fear WPL is because of the state it is currently in and think we would collapse to that level. I dont think we would though, we would stagnate at a higher level as Rangers and Celtic were/are in their leagues.

If kids saw Cardiff winning the WPL and get in the CL playing the likes of Barcelona they would come and we could fill a 40,000 stadium. Most kids dont want to see a side settling for second best in the Championship, floating in the prem so they go support LFC instead.

We are a club, driven by money and always have been and thats why we have been stuck in the English pyramid for so long. Tradition my arse. We could have entered the WPL in 1992, won it for years/shared the spoils with the Jacks, been in the CL and put ourselves on the world stage.

The SPL started 6 years later and is bigger because their two teams stuck around. Look at their attendances. We could have had crowds like Celtic but instead we settled for second best.

When the LOW was introduced, and both Swansea and Cardiff were quite honestly on their arse, I have often wondered the same thing. Although times have changed, I often wonder how different the Welsh league would've been had the big sides joined, including Wrexham, Newport etc...

Certainly a good topic for debate...

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The problem is the the focus on football in GB is the big Premiership teams, Cardiff v Swansea is no where near as big as Rangers v Celtic and we are not big as a nation to support the smaller sides

I've told you but I haven't decided as to whether you are ignorant or a bit of a pleb.

Its clear the education system in Bridgend is absolute shit.

PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS, THERE IS MORE MONEY TO BE MADE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP DUE TO MORE PRIZE MONEY AND A BIGGER CHANCE OF INVESTMENT.

Football is a business so you cardiff fans would rather a business than winning and CL entry? ok fair enough. Swansea and ourselves can get as much investment as we want, we'll never qualify for the CL because there will always be the top 6 now.

Again, we're in it for the money, which is hilarious given we're losing £1m a month yet Celtic's debt is tiny because they've walked the league, spent sensibly, got TV deals as the SPL grew etc because of the derby.

Finally, if the SPL was so successful why didn't a wealthy person buy Rangers to keep it afloat? Or buy Dunfermiline (spelling) and give them more money to buy better players to challenge for the title?

Because it was cheaper to let them go bust and buy for next to nothing like Leeds who are a phoenix club.

Why would you spend more than you have to? Rangers went bust through stupid spending like we racked up our debt through stupid spending. Celtic win the league within their means most years. Thats a fact. They dont need to break the bank and their fans come because their fans want CL football and see them winning.

The WPL could have been the same as the SPL. If you cant see that then more fool you.

What a stupid thread, pointless !

Did you even read it? I bet not.[/quote

The problem is the the focus on football in GB is the big Premiership teams, Cardiff v Swansea is no where near as big as Rangers v Celtic and we are not big as a nation to support the smaller sides

We have 2 million less in population.

Swansea and Cardiff combined is the same as Glasgow in population. They will have fans outside Glasgow, we would have had fans outside Cardiff and Swansea.

The reason our derby is nowhere near as big is because they stuck to their league, got TV deals and it was televised a lot them battling it out for the title and we stayed put in the lower leagues, often in a different league to Swansea just dithering.

I've told you but I haven't decided as to whether you are ignorant or a bit of a pleb.

Its clear the education system in Bridgend is absolute shit.

PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL IS A BUSINESS, THERE IS MORE MONEY TO BE MADE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP DUE TO MORE PRIZE MONEY AND A BIGGER CHANCE OF INVESTMENT.

Football is a business so you cardiff fans would rather a business than winning and CL entry? ok fair enough. Swansea and ourselves can get as much investment as we want, we'll never qualify for the CL because there will always be the top 6 now.

Again, we're in it for the money, which is hilarious given we're losing £1m a month yet Celtic's debt is tiny because they've walked the league, spent sensibly, got TV deals as the SPL grew etc because of the derby.

Finally, if the SPL was so successful why didn't a wealthy person buy Rangers to keep it afloat? Or buy Dunfermiline (spelling) and give them more money to buy better players to challenge for the title?

Because it was cheaper to let them go bust and buy for next to nothing like Leeds who are a phoenix club.

Why would you spend more than you have to? Rangers went bust through stupid spending like we racked up our debt through stupid spending. Celtic win the league within their means most years. Thats a fact. They dont need to break the bank and their fans come because their fans want CL football and see them winning.

The WPL could have been the same as the SPL. If you cant see that then more fool you.

I'd absolutely love to see the LOW flourish. But I don't think introducing City and the Jacks early on will help it. The clubs need more time to get bigger and bring in more fans to be introduced. That's all I;m saying.

And by the way, the education system in the UK is shit, not just Bridgend.

Why are we even in it? I dont want to be the best in England. I want Cardiff to be the best in the country that matters, Wales, and for us to win our own league. I think us, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport should all be in the Welsh system.

Its all just money, it has to be. We can still get in the CL through the Welsh system. Celtic attracted decent players there for their level. Diouf, Larsson, etc. they have a big stadium. Rangers had the same.

Cardiff and Swansea in the WPL would definitely get a deal from Sky because people would want to see that derby on TV.

That would boost both clubs profiles just like the old firm has done for Rangers and Celtic. It would also be better for smaller welsh sides.

CELTIC BEAT INTER MILAN 2-1. Impossible is nothing.

The Welsh League is only poor and doesn't get an auto CL spot because the best welsh teams aren't in it.

Do you think Porto cared that their league was a 2 horse race every year when they lifted the CL under Mourinho? No. I bet they felt proud, a team from their national league, representing their country, representing their people won it.

What would we achieve? Qualifying through an English system. We'd get a wild card but they know for a fact we would be representing England. There would be idiots out saying Cardiff from the EPL and they'd automatically associate Cardiff with England. Qualifying teams: Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea, Cardiff City. < ENGLAND.

Our club is still in the English system for money which is sad.

I would much rather our club fight to the death with Swansea every season for that spot in Europe. Thats where our true rivalry is, with them.

To be fair, the English have a point. Our league has existed for 20 years now, the WPL, why are we still playing in Englands system?

Anyone who responds with 'money' is more of a sellout than those who want a red kit imo.

If we ever go into admin, this may even happen because I can see us being rejected a place back in the English system if we go down the same path as Rangers.

WELSH FOOTBALL WILL NEVER BE ON THE INTERNATIONAL MAP UNTIL ITS TOP CLUBS ARE IN ITS OWN DOMESTIC LEAGUE. FACT.

Cardiff and Swansea playing in the English system is like putting Porto and Benfica in La Liga. Its stupid. Our system wont grow because the two biggest cities, Cardiff and Swansea aren't their to promote it or help it. We've left the rest of Welsh football to rot.

Just like Benfica and Porto do, and Celtic do and Rangers did, we should be in the Welsh system, tapping up all the best Welsh talent across the country and then selling them on. i.e. McGeady to Russia, Allen might be going to Liverpool, Ramsey to Arsenal etc. That money would have done better for us in the Welsh system than it would in the Championship.

Lets be honest, we will never compete at the top level of English football and its dumb to think we will. Liverpool, City, United, Chelsea are financial powerhouses, have massive cities with international links etc.

Our city has a tiny population that is unlikely to rapidly grow to the level of those cities. There is a reason those cities have been dominant. London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, etc.

I would rather us win the WPL and gain CL qualification representing our own country than become a Stoke in the prem and have to settle for 2nd best and just hope we win a cup every year. Thats all we'll become. Just watch Swansea. They'll be a mid table floating team for the next few years then flirt with relegation probably, maybe come back down. Where is the ambition in that?

There is just no way we can compete with City, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle, etc. so we'd be settling for second best.

If you disagree then fair enough but I just think the reason people fear WPL is because of the state it is currently in and think we would collapse to that level. I dont think we would though, we would stagnate at a higher level as Rangers and Celtic were/are in their leagues.

If kids saw Cardiff winning the WPL and get in the CL playing the likes of Barcelona they would come and we could fill a 40,000 stadium. Most kids dont want to see a side settling for second best in the Championship, floating in the prem so they go support LFC instead.

We are a club, driven by money and always have been and thats why we have been stuck in the English pyramid for so long. Tradition my arse. We could have entered the WPL in 1992, won it for years/shared the spoils with the Jacks, been in the CL and put ourselves on the world stage.

The SPL started 6 years later and is bigger because their two teams stuck around. Look at their attendances. We could have had crowds like Celtic but instead we settled for second best.

A minor point, Get some of your facts right.

Cardiff City have NEVER played in the English League. Not technically, it was never
called the English League. The Football League Championship consists of teams from
England and Wales.

We will never be as fast a growing City as Liverpool? Hmmm. Cardiffs population is
346,000 and growing. Liverpools population is 425,000 and dropping year after year
The urban metropolitan area for Cardiff is approximately 860,000. Liverpools has
dropped to around 816,000.

TNS Llansantffraid (for example) has a population of around 400 people, and a dog
and three cats. Where on earth do you think they could EVER get enough fans to
fill a stadium big enough to bankroll their team?? So they would have a shit team
every season. So would Prestatyn, Avan Lido, Caersws.

Cardiff, who by then would be lucky to get crowds of 3000, would still be ten times
richer than these minnows. So Cardiff would enter Europe at the qualifying stages
every season... and get knocked out. The only time we'd ever play Barcelona would be
for a charity of their choice... But the very fact we enter Europe every year would
still mean we continued to pull away from the minnows. Most of these Clubs would
borrow money to try and compete, most would go bust.

Scotland? The difference in Population is the equivalent of nearly EIGHT more Cardiffs

Bored now.

Despite a lot of critics I believe you have a very strong point, I don't think the WPL would allow us automatically to join though unless they were well and truly desperate for a massive club, you have a very strong point, if Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham were all in there then we'd have much more quality, it'd sort of be a top four then you'd have your Merthyr and Llanelli's battling in mid table, even though it's not ideal in this modern age if things panned out differently and we joined the Welsh league the league quality would improve dramatically. Shame we can't put our youths or something in the league like it was brought up a few years ago but yeah if we did go bust I'd like to apply for the WPL

Ledley went to Celtic for CL

Yep, i'm really sure he enjoys losing his 2 qualifying games every season!.

A minor point, Get some of your facts right.

Cardiff City have NEVER played in the English League. Not technically, it was never
called the English League. The Football League Championship consists of teams from
England and Wales.

Its the English system. UEFA have said if a Welsh club gets into Europe through an English competition we would be representing England. Thanks.

We will never be as fast a growing City as Liverpool? Hmmm. Cardiffs population is
346,000 and growing. Liverpools population is 425,000 and dropping year after year
The urban metropolitan area for Cardiff is approximately 860,000. Liverpools has
dropped to around 816,000.

We will never be as big as a club like Liverpool or United or Arsenal. The fact is, the populations might be the same but you have to remember a lot of Cardiff residents support those top clubs. Why? Because Cardiff aren't successful. If Cardiff were successful they'd get behind their own team.

TNS Llansantffraid (for example) has a population of around 400 people, and a dog
and three cats. Where on earth do you think they could EVER get enough fans to
fill a stadium big enough to bankroll their team?? So they would have a shit team
every season. So would Prestatyn, Avan Lido, Caersws.

And Cardiff would have a decent team, win the league and get CL football.

Cardiff, who by then would be lucky to get crowds of 3000, would still be ten times
richer than these minnows. So Cardiff would enter Europe at the qualifying stages
every season... and get knocked out. The only time we'd ever play Barcelona would be
for a charity of their choice... But the very fact we enter Europe every year would
still mean we continued to pull away from the minnows. Most of these Clubs would
borrow money to try and compete, most would go bust.

What are your statistics based on? 3000, since when? How is that fact? HOW? The reasons smaller clubs in the WPL havent done well is because we havent been there to attract the deals from Sky and help them grow. Dundee is just slightly more populated than Newport yet they're 2 clubs are equally supported.....larger when combined with Cwmbran....

RCT itself has over 150,000 living there so is the same size as Dundee. could pretty much have its own team in the WPL.

If areas joined to become representative of a larger population base they'd get fans. Its about being clever and tweaking the system.

Cardiff
Swansea
Newport
RCT
Carmarthenshire FC
North Wales United FC

You need to think outside the box. Its all about merging.

Scotland? The difference in Population is the equivalent of nearly EIGHT more Cardiffs

Not all of whom support the Glasgow clubs or can attend.

Despite a lot of critics I believe you have a very strong point, I don't think the WPL would allow us automatically to join though unless they were well and truly desperate for a massive club, you have a very strong point, if Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham were all in there then we'd have much more quality, it'd sort of be a top four then you'd have your Merthyr and Llanelli's battling in mid table, even though it's not ideal in this modern age if things panned out differently and we joined the Welsh league the league quality would improve dramatically. Shame we can't put our youths or something in the league like it was brought up a few years ago but yeah if we did go bust I'd like to apply for the WPL

I agree. Teams like Rhyl could merge with other districts in North Wales to get a larger fanbase, more backing etc. Pick the best stadium in the area. Then you could have them vs Wrexham as the NW derby. We'd have our derbies down here with us, Newport and Swansea. You could have a Carmarthenshire based team. Even if the league only had 12 teams in it we could have the SPL system. Even if we got a TV deal with a company like ESPN then it'd be something. Spread it amongst the clubs then too.

Ledley went to Celtic for CL

Yep, i'm really sure he enjoys losing his 2 qualifying games every season!.

NO, ledley went to Celtic for £28k a week!

So why are there constant reports of Celtic and rangers wanting into the english league system??? And it was common knowledge that they tried to make it happen a good few times n the late 90s early 00s.

And why didn't the faw cup kick off in a big way then?

A minor point, Get some of your facts right.

Cardiff City have NEVER played in the English League. Not technically, it was never
called the English League. The Football League Championship consists of teams from
England and Wales.

Its the English system. UEFA have said if a Welsh club gets into Europe through an English competition we would be representing England. Thanks.

We will never be as fast a growing City as Liverpool? Hmmm. Cardiffs population is
346,000 and growing. Liverpools population is 425,000 and dropping year after year
The urban metropolitan area for Cardiff is approximately 860,000. Liverpools has
dropped to around 816,000.

We will never be as big as a club like Liverpool or United or Arsenal. The fact is, the populations might be the same but you have to remember a lot of Cardiff residents support those top clubs. Why? Because Cardiff aren't successful. If Cardiff were successful they'd get behind their own team.

TNS Llansantffraid (for example) has a population of around 400 people, and a dog
and three cats. Where on earth do you think they could EVER get enough fans to
fill a stadium big enough to bankroll their team?? So they would have a shit team
every season. So would Prestatyn, Avan Lido, Caersws.

And Cardiff would have a decent team, win the league and get CL football.

Cardiff, who by then would be lucky to get crowds of 3000, would still be ten times
richer than these minnows. So Cardiff would enter Europe at the qualifying stages
every season... and get knocked out. The only time we'd ever play Barcelona would be
for a charity of their choice... But the very fact we enter Europe every year would
still mean we continued to pull away from the minnows. Most of these Clubs would
borrow money to try and compete, most would go bust.

What are your statistics based on? 3000, since when? How is that fact? HOW? The reasons smaller clubs in the WPL havent done well is because we havent been there to attract the deals from Sky and help them grow. Dundee is just slightly more populated than Newport yet they're 2 clubs are equally supported.....larger when combined with Cwmbran....

RCT itself has over 150,000 living there so is the same size as Dundee. could pretty much have its own team in the WPL.

If areas joined to become representative of a larger population base they'd get fans. Its about being clever and tweaking the system.

Cardiff
Swansea
Newport
RCT
Carmarthenshire FC
North Wales United FC

You need to think outside the box. Its all about merging.

Scotland? The difference in Population is the equivalent of nearly EIGHT more Cardiffs

Not all of whom support the Glasgow clubs or can attend.

we'd get CL football eh?

The qualifying rounds every season.

Dudelange
Liberec
Limassol
Bate
Budocnost Podgorica

This will be the opposition

You think Cardiff City fans are going to get excited for the annual visit of one of these?

Tell you something else mate. Cardiff City fans would sooner never play Barcelona than
hope to qualify to the Group stages once in a blue moon and perhaps get beat by them
9 or 10 nil.

TNS qualified again this year by the way. Triffic, wish we were them

The only way the Welsh League would be any good is if;
Every ground had a clean up and renovation paid for by the Faw/ Welsh Government
Every team in the top 2 divisions got a cash injection to bring in League 1/2 quality players
Us, Swansea, Wrexham, Merthyr, Newport and Colwyn Bay all put into the WPL

Even then it would take a few years to grow. However if we wanted to build a good, top 20 national team, then this would have to be done. With Welsh internationals only coming through 3 clubs it's just not working