HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING

Why did you go in the first place Gwyn?

I would like to know that as well !

Because it was being broadcast as an open meeting.

When in reality it was just a meeting for pro blue's.

If you read the invitation Blue Nile is right.

Wrong, it was a open meeting for those opposing the rebranding.

So it wasn't open then

It was restrictive on its entry requirements very much in the same way a night club is restrictive in terms of clothing.

An open meeting cant be ' you can come as long as you agree with us'. Thats not open. I dont think you understand what the term open means in terms of meetings etc.

It was a stupid move to call it an open meeting.

Why did you go in the first place Gwyn?

I would like to know that as well !

Because it was being broadcast as an open meeting.

When in reality it was just a meeting for pro blue's.

If you read the invitation Blue Nile is right.

AN OPEN MEETING MEANS ANYONE WITH ANY VIEWS CAN ATTEND.

IT WASN'T AN OPEN MEETING, IT WAS A MEETING FOR PEOPLE WHO DISAGREED WITH THE REBRANDING. THATS NOT OPEN.

An open meeting has no restrictions. You had restrictions in that only pro blue's could attend, thus it wasn't open.

God give me strength.

Wrong, it was a open meeting for those opposing the rebranding.

So it wasn't open then

It was restrictive on its entry requirements very much in the same way a night club is restrictive in terms of clothing.

An open meeting cant be ' you can come as long as you agree with us'. Thats not open. I dont think you understand what the term open means in terms of meetings etc.

It was a stupid move to call it an open meeting.

Agreed.

A meeting has been organised for next Tuesday evening, 24th July at 19.00 at the Cardiff General & Municipal Club, 11-13 City Road, Cardiff.

With the Forest Green friendly almost upon us and the first League game against Huddersfield only 4 weeks away, it'll be a good opportunity for us to share ideas and formulate a plan of action.

This is an open meeting for anybody who supports the aim of the Keep Cardiff Blue campaign, so feel free to bring any like-minded fans along with you, but we don't want the meeting hijacked so please ensure that those you tell can be trusted not be disruptive.

Please be there if you possibly can.

It's quite obvious what that means.

Gwyn and co knew exactly why they went there and they succedeed......i never thought it true Gwyn, it seems you are a bit of a bully boy.

A meeting has been organised for next Tuesday evening, 24th July at 19.00 at the Cardiff General & Municipal Club, 11-13 City Road, Cardiff.

With the Forest Green friendly almost upon us and the first League game against Huddersfield only 4 weeks away, it'll be a good opportunity for us to share ideas and formulate a plan of action.

This is an open meeting for anybody who supports the aim of the Keep Cardiff Blue campaign, so feel free to bring any like-minded fans along with you, but we don't want the meeting hijacked so please ensure that those you tell can be trusted not be disruptive.

Please be there if you possibly can.

It's quite obvious what that means.

Gwyn and co knew exactly why they went there and they succedeed......i never thought it true Gwyn, it seems you are a bit of a bully boy.

That exact copy of the invite didnt get across CCMB though thats teh point. It was broadcast as 'there is an open meeting at xyz place.' People then passed that on. Word of mouth and details get lost in translation.

The fact remains it was broadcast as an open meeting but was in fact a restrictive meeting.

A meeting has been organised for next Tuesday evening, 24th July at 19.00 at the Cardiff General & Municipal Club, 11-13 City Road, Cardiff.

With the Forest Green friendly almost upon us and the first League game against Huddersfield only 4 weeks away, it'll be a good opportunity for us to share ideas and formulate a plan of action.

This is an open meeting for anybody who supports the aim of the Keep Cardiff Blue campaign, so feel free to bring any like-minded fans along with you, but we don't want the meeting hijacked so please ensure that those you tell can be trusted not be disruptive.

Please be there if you possibly can.

It's quite obvious what that means.

Gwyn and co knew exactly why they went there and they succedeed......i never thought it true Gwyn, it seems you are a bit of a bully boy.

That exact copy of the invite didnt get across CCMB though thats teh point. It was broadcast as 'there is an open meeting at xyz place.' People then passed that on. Word of mouth and details get lost in translation.

The fact remains it was broadcast as an open meeting but was in fact a restrictive meeting.

And you dont think Gwyn knew this?

A meeting has been organised for next Tuesday evening, 24th July at 19.00 at the Cardiff General & Municipal Club, 11-13 City Road, Cardiff.

With the Forest Green friendly almost upon us and the first League game against Huddersfield only 4 weeks away, it'll be a good opportunity for us to share ideas and formulate a plan of action.

This is an open meeting for anybody who supports the aim of the Keep Cardiff Blue campaign, so feel free to bring any like-minded fans along with you, but we don't want the meeting hijacked so please ensure that those you tell can be trusted not be disruptive.

Please be there if you possibly can.

It's quite obvious what that means.

Gwyn and co knew exactly why they went there and they succedeed......i never thought it true Gwyn, it seems you are a bit of a bully boy.

That exact copy of the invite didnt get across CCMB though thats teh point. It was broadcast as 'there is an open meeting at xyz place.' People then passed that on. Word of mouth and details get lost in translation.

The fact remains it was broadcast as an open meeting but was in fact a restrictive meeting.

And you dont think Gwyn knew this?

Gwyn weren't the only one in attendance. Maybe others got wind of this and decided to go and Gwyn went along to make sure it didn't get too out of hand. You dont know the full story, its all accounts of people and you do not know the mental state of people so therefore cannot surmise their motivation. Dont be stupid now and be one of these people who thinks he knows everyones motives etc. because you dont.

At the end of the day, if you broadcast something as an open meeting, its an open meeting. Its a lesson they have learnt.

Gwyn weren't the only one in attendance. Maybe others got wind of this and decided to go and Gwyn went along to make sure it didn't get too out of hand.

Thats f*cking priceless mate, fairplay

Been away so sorry for delay, I was there at the meeting which by the title alone KEEP CARDIFF BLUE is more than OK with me, firstly I and many others want to make sure firstly we keep Cardiff, and whilst we can't keep it blue coz we are red, we can't hopefully work to get it back to blue which I'm sure we all want.As far as I'm concerned that is an invite to any Cardiff fan.

I can honestly say, I haven't met anyone who would choose red, but if it's part of the package, then many of us will go along with it, even if it is reluctantly.

My personal view and the approach I intend taking, is to fully support the team on the pitch as always, hope and pray that VT fulfills his promises that went along with the rebrand,he deserves at least that much after rescuing us from the mess we were in, however if in six months or so time it is apparent we have been lied to or shafted, then it's a whole new ball game and we should all let him know the consequences, but until then we should keep our powder dry.

Protesting now seems pointless to me at present because we are stuck with red and a crap badge for at least one season,no problem with actions such as wearing blue shirts, and actually suggested it myself as a form of peaceful protest in the first meeting with the club and fans. But we can't disrupt the team or events on the pitch, that is madness in my eyes.

And just for the record as others have said, no threats were made by me personally other than as a generalization that was shared by a good few, I wouldn't stand by and just allow disruption to events on the pitch without at least trying to prevent it, if that is seen as a threat, then it should only be seen as one by those planning such actions.

Gwyn , I am not clear what you mean by "no threats were made by me OTHER THAN as a generalisation".

Do you mean that you didn`t make any threats against individuals , but did make them against people gathered at that meeting in general?

If its right that one woman made those insulting and ridiculous comments to Sam at the end of the meeting , then that is as totally unacceptable as the threats of violence made beforehand at the meeting by the group you were part of.

I also don`t see why peaceful protests against the rebranding both inside and outside the stadium disrupts the team on the pitch as surely they will receive the full support of all supporters at the game. It is not their fault , or the manager`s , that they are being made to wear a change of kit that they don`t believe in either.

Its not as if this is like the Blackburn situation where fans were having a go at the manager as well as the owners which I disagreed with as I could see it having a possibly adverse effect on the players.

Why are you so against freedom of speech and freedom to express those views in a peaceful manner in this case?

Keith

Word on the street is the 'threateners' are on Hamanns payroll and being paid to encourage and see the red change goes through,making it easier for Sam to get his money back.

Couldn't be true,surely?

As I have asked before if such threats were issued why dont they go to the police? they wont need to ask the club for protection then

I dont know Gwyn so why would I care? Im just saying none of you know the full story or the motives behind the peoples decisions to attend.

Stop digging and having a go at one another. Just let it go. You cant change the past. Lets make sure in the future it dont happen. What happened happened and there has been idiots on both sides yet the majority on both sides have been fine. Lets just move on and support our club.

Word on the street is the 'threateners' are on Hamanns payroll and being paid to encourage and see the red change goes through,making it easier for Sam to get his money back.

Couldn't be true,surely?

Caught us again.

As I have asked before if such threats were issued why dont they go to the police? they wont need to ask the club for protection then

Exactly, if personal threats were made then there would have been plenty of witness's, so why don't people state facts and be specific.

As I have asked before if such threats were issued why dont they go to the police? they wont need to ask the club for protection then

the daft thing about this is and im not going to generalise but some KCB supporters have had their season ticket money refunded by the club and will not be attending games in any form. These same people though want to come to the ground and demonstrate outside but expect the club they have turned their back on to protect them.
im not slating them i just dont see the logic in it

Big suggestion, to save typing out multiple replies, pm me and more than happy to phone you at my cost promise, now that isn't a threat and I am the last person in the world to condone bullying, people who know the real me as opposed to the one they imagine from these fecking message boards and my occasional media rant are assuming lot's. without knowing all the facts.

I genuinely love to debate things I feel strongly about, and honestly, if some one has got a valid point to help me change my mind or change my opinion in the slightest, then discuss it, no problems and it will be a genuine pleasure.
Ask one person to state what i supposedly threatened and who I was supposedly threatening to at that meeting, or any other, loud, opinionated and chopsy, yeh I'll hold my hands up, might come across as intimidating because of my size and background, but get one person to admit to being bullied or threatened.

Ask people who really know me if they think I am a bully, violent or even have an hidden agenda. Happy to chat pm me

Been away so sorry for delay, I was there at the meeting which by the title alone KEEP CARDIFF BLUE is more than OK with me, firstly I and many others want to make sure firstly we keep Cardiff, and whilst we can't keep it blue coz we are red, we can't hopefully work to get it back to blue which I'm sure we all want.As far as I'm concerned that is an invite to any Cardiff fan.

I can honestly say, I haven't met anyone who would choose red, but if it's part of the package, then many of us will go along with it, even if it is reluctantly.

My personal view and the approach I intend taking, is to fully support the team on the pitch as always, hope and pray that VT fulfills his promises that went along with the rebrand,he deserves at least that much after rescuing us from the mess we were in, however if in six months or so time it is apparent we have been lied to or shafted, then it's a whole new ball game and we should all let him know the consequences, but until then we should keep our powder dry.

Protesting now seems pointless to me at present because we are stuck with red and a crap badge for at least one season,no problem with actions such as wearing blue shirts, and actually suggested it myself as a form of peaceful protest in the first meeting with the club and fans. But we can't disrupt the team or events on the pitch, that is madness in my eyes.

And just for the record as others have said, no threats were made by me personally other than as a generalization that was shared by a good few, I wouldn't stand by and just allow disruption to events on the pitch without at least trying to prevent it, if that is seen as a threat, then it should only be seen as one by those planning such actions.

GOOD and SENSIBLE post as always gwyn, keep cardiff blue can "peacefully" protest by wearing blue if they feel like no problems, but anything else than that like using banners and stuff like that definately looks extreme and will definately be a fan divider and cause trouble which is the last thing Cardiff City needs, they need to wear their blue shirt to the games and dont buy any red stuff if they dont want to but then they need to draw a line under this KCB group bollocks...

Gwyn, even you must admit it looks damning against you. You are a well known face and not an easy guy to miss! you may well not have made the threats but those with you alledgedley did. Not only this, you had the stuff before this meeting about Gwyndlers list and previous accusations of bullying tactics by you in the first of the meetings about the re-brand.

Big suggestion, to save typing out multiple replies, pm me and more than happy to phone you at my cost promise, now that isn't a threat and I am the last person in the world to condone bullying, people who know the real me as opposed to the one they imagine from these fecking message boards and my occasional media rant are assuming lot's. without knowing all the facts.

All a bunch of playground drama queen fairies who are scared because of your e-reputation.

I quite frankly, as an adult, do not give a shit. No disrespect intended but im an adult and dont care about this tittle tattle nonsense Gwyn.

In your interviews I've seen you've come across as extremely passionate. Whilst at times it may border on the 'chill out a moment' I cant say much because we've all been a bit OTT.

You certainly do not come across as an individual to fear or I would fear. There is no damn way.

I suggest anyone who does fear you in fact has a good look at themselves and question why. Might be more to do with their own issues than the 'supposed' threat you and your posse pose.

So you dont think to a woman or a teenager (that were present at the meeting) that a 6"6, 20st Ex-Judo expert would come across as threatening in the manner which they alledgedley acted??

Been away so sorry for delay, I was there at the meeting which by the title alone KEEP CARDIFF BLUE is more than OK with me, firstly I and many others want to make sure firstly we keep Cardiff, and whilst we can't keep it blue coz we are red, we can't hopefully work to get it back to blue which I'm sure we all want.As far as I'm concerned that is an invite to any Cardiff fan.

I can honestly say, I haven't met anyone who would choose red, but if it's part of the package, then many of us will go along with it, even if it is reluctantly.

My personal view and the approach I intend taking, is to fully support the team on the pitch as always, hope and pray that VT fulfills his promises that went along with the rebrand,he deserves at least that much after rescuing us from the mess we were in, however if in six months or so time it is apparent we have been lied to or shafted, then it's a whole new ball game and we should all let him know the consequences, but until then we should keep our powder dry.

Protesting now seems pointless to me at present because we are stuck with red and a crap badge for at least one season,no problem with actions such as wearing blue shirts, and actually suggested it myself as a form of peaceful protest in the first meeting with the club and fans. But we can't disrupt the team or events on the pitch, that is madness in my eyes.

And just for the record as others have said, no threats were made by me personally other than as a generalization that was shared by a good few, I wouldn't stand by and just allow disruption to events on the pitch without at least trying to prevent it, if that is seen as a threat, then it should only be seen as one by those planning such actions.

Gwyn , I am not clear what you mean by "no threats were made by me OTHER THAN as a generalisation".

It cannot be denied that one person, and not my good self, did say that if anyone protested unlawfully or did something such as throw a smoke bomb etc on the pitch and disrupt the team etc. they would personally hand them to the police or stewards or in their words deal with it themselves, and everyone was aware of what that meant, but he didn't aim that at any particular person, to me that was a fair warning that some Cardiff fans would not sit back and let others detract from on the pitch matters. Anyone wanting to peacefully protest without affecting on field events so get on with it, it's their choice, even though it may not be my choice at the moment, I think the letter to VT was aimed correctly and a positive move, and a petition worded non confrontation ally may also help, but that is just my personal opinion.


Do you mean that you didn`t make any threats against individuals , but did make them against people gathered at that meeting in general?

I mean, I didn't make any threats period, ask witness's to be specific.

If its right that one woman made those insulting and ridiculous comments to Sam at the end of the meeting , then that is as totally unacceptable as the threats of violence made beforehand at the meeting by the group you were part of.

I also don`t see why peaceful protests against the rebranding both inside and outside the stadium disrupts the team on the pitch as surely they will receive the full support of all supporters at the game. It is not their fault , or the manager`s , that they are being made to wear a change of kit that they don`t believe in either.

Exactly

Its not as if this is like the Blackburn situation where fans were having a go at the manager as well as the owners which I disagreed with as I could see it having a possibly adverse effect on the players.

Why are you so against freedom of speech and freedom to express those views in a peaceful manner in this case?

Me the chopsiest most out spoken person on the earth against the freedom of speech, don't think so.

Keith

Why did you go in the first place Gwyn?

I have stated this, the meeting said "Keep Cardiff Blue", so among those words alone are a couple of reasons, I want to keep Cardiff, we have almost lost our club a few times and could yet again without support, so anything I or other fans can do to keep Cardiff, then I feel we should do,

Struggling with the keep blue, because no matter how much we dislike it, and dislike it I do, we are red, or at least we are for one season, and we got a crap badge, so we can't keep blue, but we can try positively and sensibly and peacefully to get it back to blue as soon as possible.

So unless the meeting is named let's see what we can do to disrupt or destroy our club, then I and i'm sure others will take an active part.

Been away so sorry for delay, I was there at the meeting which by the title alone KEEP CARDIFF BLUE is more than OK with me, firstly I and many others want to make sure firstly we keep Cardiff, and whilst we can't keep it blue coz we are red, we can't hopefully work to get it back to blue which I'm sure we all want.As far as I'm concerned that is an invite to any Cardiff fan.

I can honestly say, I haven't met anyone who would choose red, but if it's part of the package, then many of us will go along with it, even if it is reluctantly.

My personal view and the approach I intend taking, is to fully support the team on the pitch as always, hope and pray that VT fulfills his promises that went along with the rebrand,he deserves at least that much after rescuing us from the mess we were in, however if in six months or so time it is apparent we have been lied to or shafted, then it's a whole new ball game and we should all let him know the consequences, but until then we should keep our powder dry.

Protesting now seems pointless to me at present because we are stuck with red and a crap badge for at least one season,no problem with actions such as wearing blue shirts, and actually suggested it myself as a form of peaceful protest in the first
meeting with the club and fans. But we can't disrupt the team or events on the pitch, that is madness in my eyes.

And just for the record as others have said, no threats were made by me personally other than as a generalization that was shared by a good few, I wouldn't stand by and just allow disruption to events on the pitch without at least trying to prevent it, if that is seen as a threat, then it should only be seen as one by those planning such actions.

100% agree with everything you say

Gwyn, even you must admit it looks damning against you. You are a well known face and not an easy guy to miss! you may well not have made the threats but those with you alledgedley did. Not only this, you had the stuff before this meeting about Gwyndlers list and previous accusations of bullying tactics by you in the first of the meetings about the re-brand.

Assumptions mate, phone me for the truth.

Honestly, do you think some of the "threats" made were a tad too far and if you could would you have toned down the manner of groups opposition to the protests?

So you dont think to a woman or a teenager (that were present at the meeting) that a 6"6, 20st Ex-Judo expert would come across as threatening in the manner which they alledgedley acted??

No. Because had Gwyn got out of order there would have been many there to sort him out. There is no question about that.

Big suggestion, to save typing out multiple replies, pm me and more than happy to phone you at my cost promise, now that isn't a threat and I am the last person in the world to condone bullying, people who know the real me as opposed to the one they imagine from these fecking message boards and my occasional media rant are assuming lot's. without knowing all the facts.

All a bunch of playground drama queen fairies who are scared because of your e-reputation.

I quite frankly, as an adult, do not give a shit. No disrespect intended but im an adult and dont care about this tittle tattle nonsense Gwyn.

In your interviews I've seen you've come across as extremely passionate. Whilst at times it may border on the 'chill out a moment' I cant say much because we've all been a bit OTT.

You certainly do not come across as an individual to fear or I would fear. There is no damn way.

I suggest anyone who does fear you in fact has a good look at themselves and question why. Might be more to do with their own issues than the 'supposed' threat you and your posse pose.

if you put your nose any further up his arse you may never get it out mind !

Big suggestion, to save typing out multiple replies, pm me and more than happy to phone you at my cost promise, now that isn't a threat and I am the last person in the world to condone bullying, people who know the real me as opposed to the one they imagine from these fecking message boards and my occasional media rant are assuming lot's. without knowing all the facts.

All a bunch of playground drama queen fairies who are scared because of your e-reputation.

I quite frankly, as an adult, do not give a shit. No disrespect intended but im an adult and dont care about this tittle tattle nonsense Gwyn.

In your interviews I've seen you've come across as extremely passionate. Whilst at times it may border on the 'chill out a moment' I cant say much because we've all been a bit OTT.

You certainly do not come across as an individual to fear or I would fear. There is no damn way.

I suggest anyone who does fear you in fact has a good look at themselves and question why. Might be more to do with their own issues than the 'supposed' threat you and your posse pose.

if you put your nose any further up his arse you may never get it out mind !

So by saying I dont fear him means I like him? I dont know the bloke, I know of him. Im certainly not afraid of him and I never will be.

If you're going to be scared of him just coz he does Judo and is a big bloke then fair enough but im most certainly not.

What a big fairy you are.

Woman and children involved was an own goal.