The formation of KCB was provocative in itself

The thing is mate, even though i can understand where your coming from a bit more now, i think the way you expressed it originally was just totally wrong.

I still really dont see what this group would have got out of provoking the "pro reds" and i 100% believe that the group who turned up tonight intent on provokation are the ones to blame here.

Rather than argue amongst us, because Cardiff fans are doing enough of that at the moment, let's just agree that we disagree on this issue and leave it at that.

Thats the same attitude 100% of KCB should have had IMO. They should have took that stance, had private meetings, went to the club and done it that way. Unfortunately for KCB a minority, as always, have been provoking on the message boards and that will get a reaction from certain people.

I am pro blue and im sad that this event has linked KCB with violence because loads of the public dont read the full story. They will see KCB and violence and link them. Thats the sad thing. I wanted KCB to work but I just knew a minority would go along and ruin it by being provoking and abusive on the other board.

The thing is mate, even though i can understand where your coming from a bit more now, i think the way you expressed it originally was just totally wrong.

I still really dont see what this group would have got out of provoking the "pro reds" and i 100% believe that the group who turned up tonight intent on provokation are the ones to blame here.

Rather than argue amongst us, because Cardiff fans are doing enough of that at the moment, let's just agree that we disagree on this issue and leave it at that.

Thats the same attitude 100% of KCB should have had IMO. They should have took that stance, had private meetings, went to the club and done it that way. Unfortunately for KCB a minority, as always, have been provoking on the message boards and that will get a reaction from certain people.

I am pro blue and im sad that this event has linked KCB with violence because loads of the public dont read the full story. They will see KCB and violence and link them. Thats the sad thing. I wanted KCB to work but I just knew a minority would go along and ruin it by being provoking and abusive on the other board.

I honestly don't get the whole "minority of KCB" provoking the pro-reds point.

Not only because i don't understand what they would get out of this, but can you just (without naming names) give me an example of an instance/way this has happened? Maybe then i can understand your point a bit more, because right now i don't see how they've done this at all.

The thing is mate, even though i can understand where your coming from a bit more now, i think the way you expressed it originally was just totally wrong.

I still really dont see what this group would have got out of provoking the "pro reds" and i 100% believe that the group who turned up tonight intent on provokation are the ones to blame here.

Rather than argue amongst us, because Cardiff fans are doing enough of that at the moment, let's just agree that we disagree on this issue and leave it at that.

Thats the same attitude 100% of KCB should have had IMO. They should have took that stance, had private meetings, went to the club and done it that way. Unfortunately for KCB a minority, as always, have been provoking on the message boards and that will get a reaction from certain people.

I am pro blue and im sad that this event has linked KCB with violence because loads of the public dont read the full story. They will see KCB and violence and link them. Thats the sad thing. I wanted KCB to work but I just knew a minority would go along and ruin it by being provoking and abusive on the other board.

I honestly don't get the whole "minority of KCB" provoking the pro-reds point.

Not only because i don't understand what they would get out of this, but can you just (without naming names) give me an example of an instance/way this has happened? Maybe then i can understand your point a bit more, because right now i don't see how they've done this at all.

Just got on CCMB. A few members have provoked people. Its the reason I and numerous other members left the board. To be fair, it hasn't been as bad on here as ive not long joined and ive not really witnessed it. I will say that openly.

The aim of provocation is clear. KCB provoke others. The majority just argue it off etc and its done. Then you get idiots like tonight who cant let it go showing up and causing a fuss. By doing so the idiots showing up will look bad in the media whilst KCB look like the victims. Just read the the reports tonight and KCB come across as peaceful victims so its a win for them. Its all politics.

IMO, there are a small minority of KCB supporters ruining it and there are a small supporters of the others ruining it. As far as im concerned, the real losers are Cardiff CIty, the club we're all supposed to care about.

I am sure that is a group really wanted to provoke other elements of the fanbase, then they could think of far more hard-hitting and effective ways to do so, with no care regards recourse.

If there was a KCR whos to say a KCB group wouldn't of turned up and done the same , especially since there has been threats of violence against people who are going to wear the new red shirt but just not in front of a news reporter/big group of fans so it hasn't been highlighted as much as tonight.Both sides seem to have their "hardcore" members , Thats just my view on it im neither for or against the change ill buy both home & away top to support the club/players.

If there was a KCR whos to say a KCB group wouldn't of turned up and done the same , especially since there has been threats of violence against people who are going to wear the new red shirt but just not in front of a news reporter/big group of fans so it hasn't been highlighted as much as tonight.Both sides seem to have their "hardcore" members , Thats just my view on it im neither for or against the change ill buy both home & away top to support the club/players.

Why would there be a 'Keep Cardiff Red' group? We've all been told that no one is 'pro-red'.

Ok the people who have accepted all the changes , PWHAATC for short we can call it

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

Fair enough but they havent. A few of their supporters have been provoking and wumming on the boards since the day of formation. Not branding every KCB supporter as one but there are a minority ruining it for the majority.

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

Everyone got a right to protest , but then so have the people who agree to disagree with the people who agreed to disagree with the matter in hand lol

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

Fair enough but they havent. A few of their supporters have been provoking and wumming on the boards since the day of formation. Not branding every KCB supporter as one but there are a minority ruining it for the majority.

but if they want to protest then it,s their right.both red and blue have posted varies stuff on here.annis hasn,t banned them .to actually threaten people is a bit more than wumming.i,v been at shrewsbury with blues tonight and not one blues fan who i spoke to(and a a shrew couple)can understand why you,re not putting a fight up over the rebrand .if some of your fans are ok with it that is their right .some don,t want it and that is their right

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

Everyone got a right to protest , but then so have the people who agree to disagree with the people who agreed to disagree with the matter in hand lol

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

Fair enough but they havent. A few of their supporters have been provoking and wumming on the boards since the day of formation. Not branding every KCB supporter as one but there are a minority ruining it for the majority.

but if they want to protest then it,s their right.both red and blue have posted varies stuff on here.annis hasn,t banned them .to actually threaten people is a bit more than wumming.i,v been at shrewsbury with blues tonight and not one blues fan who i spoke to(and a a shrew couple)can understand why you,re not putting a fight up over the rebrand .if some of your fans are ok with it that is their right .some don,t want it and that is their right

KCB fans have threatened people. They're no angels.

havn,t people a right to protest in the u.k freely?as long as k.c.b keep it peaceful then it,s their right.far east democrocy is a one party state.tonight it came to cardiff.

Fair enough but they havent. A few of their supporters have been provoking and wumming on the boards since the day of formation. Not branding every KCB supporter as one but there are a minority ruining it for the majority.

but if they want to protest then it,s their right.both red and blue have posted varies stuff on here.annis hasn,t banned them .to actually threaten people is a bit more than wumming.i,v been at shrewsbury with blues tonight and not one blues fan who i spoke to(and a a shrew couple)can understand why you,re not putting a fight up over the rebrand .if some of your fans are ok with it that is their right .some don,t want it and that is their right

KCB fans have threatened people. They're no angels.

i wouldn,t know about that.changing the subject.who is the lady in your pic?

Pro Red. Pro Blue. What a load of bollox - let's all be Pro Cardiff City and put ALL your toys back in your prams

You have stuck out in my mind as posting nonsense all week.

From the Chinese waiting to hop on our bandwagon and the communist party going to invest in us because we wear red to now a peaceful gathering to discuss the traditions of the club that are being stripped away were provoking people to threaten to attack them

You sir, are what we educated call... An idiot.

Cheers.

There has been provocation by KCB supporters, it's unbelievable anyone can deny that. This is my first post in several weeks simply because I got fed up of four or five topics a day popping up trying to tell me I'm not a real fan for accepting the rebrand. There would be comment after comment in them agreeing with this viewpoint and often adding that violence is very much an option against us. One particular thread lingers in my head where a member told us that we should all. 'f**k off to Redbluebirds', because we are not wanted here and have our own place to talk now.

It'd be unfair for me to say the whole KCB campaign deserved this. But it's impossible to argue that many of its supporters have done their best to take moral high grounds and belittle everyone else since its creation. Imagine you've had to sit and read pages and pages of posts (on a message board of a club you love) calling you a fake fan, a plastic, a traitor, the list goes on. In my opinion that's the real playground bullying, and this sort of retaliation was always going to happen. I'm not saying it was right, and I'm not trying to justify it. I'm simply trying to dispute a point thats been mentioned here.

There has been provocation by KCB supporters, it's unbelievable anyone can deny that. This is my first post in several weeks simply because I got fed up of four or five topics a day popping up trying to tell me I'm not a real fan for accepting the rebrand. There would be comment after comment in them agreeing with this viewpoint and often adding that violence is very much an option against us. One particular thread lingers in my head where a member told us that we should all. 'f**k off to Redbluebirds', because we are not wanted here and have our own place to talk now.

It'd be unfair for me to say the whole KCB campaign deserved this. But it's impossible to argue that many of its supporters have done their best to take moral high grounds and belittle everyone else since its creation. Imagine you've had to sit and read pages and pages of posts (on a message board of a club you love) calling you a fake fan, a plastic, a traitor, the list goes on. In my opinion that's the real playground bullying, and this sort of retaliation was always going to happen. I'm not saying it was right, and I'm not trying to justify it. I'm simply trying to dispute a point thats been mentioned here.

100% spot on.

Both sides of the fence have had its idiots trying to cause a stir imo. The fact that some of the blues are now trying to take the moral high ground is hilarious. Both have had idiots, both have had fans who are decent and just want to get on and do things peacefully.