WILL THE BLUEBIRD REMAIN?

I found this topic very narrow minded.

Narrow minded?............Are you saying this will never happen?

I found this topic very narrow minded.

Narrow minded?............Are you saying this will never happen?

I am certain it wont. They would have to change the gates which would be an insult to everyone. And anyway the bluebird is part of the badge so its still a symbol of this club

I am glad I asked this question....I am trying to understand how taking our badge,colours and nickname can have less effect on fans than the gates,.............the gates are very special to me for many reasons and would be the last straw but if they can do what they have done would they even blink at changing the gates?.,would make an interesting poll

I get your point as to be honest there is no difference. I am against the kit change and badge but I see the need of it to some extent. The gates however there would be no point at all except to make more enemies

The reason I get annoyed with the "pro-blue" group is that they will use anything to scaremonger or put the malaysians in bad light to suit their cause. Im all for what your doing by trying to get the kit back to blue though you go to be carefull for what you wish for but by using these scare tactics and shallow digs is what winds me up more. Specially if they are targeted at people who are for the change

How am I scaremongering I am asking a question,I have targeted nobody and not made a single dig at anyone,what do you mean CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR....are you threatening me?

The reason I get annoyed with the "pro-blue" group is that they will use anything to scaremonger or put the malaysians in bad light to suit their cause. Im all for what your doing by trying to get the kit back to blue though you go to be carefull for what you wish for but by using these scare tactics and shallow digs is what winds me up more. Specially if they are targeted at people who are for the change

How am I scaremongering I am asking a question,I have targeted nobody and not made a single dig at anyone,what do you mean CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR....are you threatening me?

I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so. As for threating you it wasnt I was just simply stating that if we did turn blue (which would be good) it might make things worse as in regards to debt and investment. I was just trying to put another spin on things if the keep cardiff blue campaign was succesfull

Why would they get rid of the gates when the Bluebird is on the gravestone/memorial near it? The Bluebird is there for a very long time.

The reason I get annoyed with the "pro-blue" group is that they will use anything to scaremonger or put the malaysians in bad light to suit their cause. Im all for what your doing by trying to get the kit back to blue though you go to be carefull for what you wish for but by using these scare tactics and shallow digs is what winds me up more. Specially if they are targeted at people who are for the change

How am I scaremongering I am asking a question,I have targeted nobody and not made a single dig at anyone,what do you mean CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR....are you threatening me?

I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so. As for threating you it wasnt I was just simply stating that if we did turn blue (which would be good) it might make things worse as in regards to debt and investment. I was just trying to put another spin on things if the keep cardiff blue campaign was succesfull

I don't know what you mean by.."I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so"?....Listen mate I have my opinions but I never have and never will target any individual, have I disrespected any fans opinion on the rebrand,I am simply looking for answers as to how this change will help us and move forward and it worries me that there could be more to come.Nobody will ever stop me asking questions or stop me having my opinions,feel free to check my recent posts and copy any threats or scaremongering I have posted,I am up for debate but not threats.

The reason I get annoyed with the "pro-blue" group is that they will use anything to scaremonger or put the malaysians in bad light to suit their cause. Im all for what your doing by trying to get the kit back to blue though you go to be carefull for what you wish for but by using these scare tactics and shallow digs is what winds me up more. Specially if they are targeted at people who are for the change

How am I scaremongering I am asking a question,I have targeted nobody and not made a single dig at anyone,what do you mean CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR....are you threatening me?

I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so. As for threating you it wasnt I was just simply stating that if we did turn blue (which would be good) it might make things worse as in regards to debt and investment. I was just trying to put another spin on things if the keep cardiff blue campaign was succesfull

I don't know what you mean by.."I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so"?....Listen mate I have my opinions but I never have and never will target any individual, have I disrespected any fans opinion on the rebrand,I am simply looking for answers as to how this change will help us and move forward and it worries me that there could be more to come.Nobody will ever stop me asking questions or stop me having my opinions,feel free to check my recent posts and copy any threats or scaremongering I have posted,I am up for debate but not threats.

It was a typo it was meant to say WASN'T I didnt know how to edit it. Im not personally trying to attack you. I respect you for trying to stand up for what you believe in I was just trying to give another angle to it all not try and stop you from doing what you want. I appologise if I have offended you

How certain are you this will happen? I'd be amazed.

If this is totally unfounded and doesnt happen as we expect this is everything that let's down and discredits the "keep it blue" campaign which is a shame.

The reason I get annoyed with the "pro-blue" group is that they will use anything to scaremonger or put the malaysians in bad light to suit their cause. Im all for what your doing by trying to get the kit back to blue though you go to be carefull for what you wish for but by using these scare tactics and shallow digs is what winds me up more. Specially if they are targeted at people who are for the change

How am I scaremongering I am asking a question,I have targeted nobody and not made a single dig at anyone,what do you mean CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR....are you threatening me?

I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so. As for threating you it wasnt I was just simply stating that if we did turn blue (which would be good) it might make things worse as in regards to debt and investment. I was just trying to put another spin on things if the keep cardiff blue campaign was succesfull

I don't know what you mean by.."I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so"?....Listen mate I have my opinions but I never have and never will target any individual, have I disrespected any fans opinion on the rebrand,I am simply looking for answers as to how this change will help us and move forward and it worries me that there could be more to come.Nobody will ever stop me asking questions or stop me having my opinions,feel free to check my recent posts and copy any threats or scaremongering I have posted,I am up for debate but not threats.

It was a typo it was meant to say WASN'T I didnt know how to edit it. Im not personally trying to attack you. I respect you for trying to stand up for what you believe in I was just trying to give another angle to it all not try and stop you from doing what you want. I appologise if I have offended you

NP mate,we all have opinions because we care about the club,us on the blue side are not trying to derail the club but we do have concerns that if they can rebrand the club in the space of one month who knows what they will do next.Nothing is personal it's just an opinion.I am done zzzzzzzzz I respect you for the apology mate,stand up bloke

The reason I get annoyed with the "pro-blue" group is that they will use anything to scaremonger or put the malaysians in bad light to suit their cause. Im all for what your doing by trying to get the kit back to blue though you go to be carefull for what you wish for but by using these scare tactics and shallow digs is what winds me up more. Specially if they are targeted at people who are for the change

How am I scaremongering I am asking a question,I have targeted nobody and not made a single dig at anyone,what do you mean CAREFUL WHAT I WISH FOR....are you threatening me?

I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so. As for threating you it wasnt I was just simply stating that if we did turn blue (which would be good) it might make things worse as in regards to debt and investment. I was just trying to put another spin on things if the keep cardiff blue campaign was succesfull

I don't know what you mean by.."I was really targeting it directly at you more as a general over the last week or so"?....Listen mate I have my opinions but I never have and never will target any individual, have I disrespected any fans opinion on the rebrand,I am simply looking for answers as to how this change will help us and move forward and it worries me that there could be more to come.Nobody will ever stop me asking questions or stop me having my opinions,feel free to check my recent posts and copy any threats or scaremongering I have posted,I am up for debate but not threats.

It was a typo it was meant to say WASN'T I didnt know how to edit it. Im not personally trying to attack you. I respect you for trying to stand up for what you believe in I was just trying to give another angle to it all not try and stop you from doing what you want. I appologise if I have offended you

NP mate,we all have opinions because we care about the club,us on the blue side are not trying to derail the club but we do have concerns that if they can rebrand the club in the space of one month who knows what they will do next.Nothing is personal it's just an opinion.I am done zzzzzzzzz I respect you for the apology mate,stand up bloke

Cheers. I understand all the points your getting as I thought that at first and I am against the kit change and I will never buy the kit whilst its red or has that badge on it. But after thinking on it for awhile its for the greater good in my opinion and I dont think VT will go to such extremes as has been suggested.

How certain are you this will happen? I'd be amazed.

If this is totally unfounded and doesnt happen as we expect this is everything that let's down and discredits the "keep it blue" campaign which is a shame.

READ MY POST MATE,at no pOint did I say it would happen I was asking a question!!!! how can we be discredited when I didn't say it would happen?.......READ MY POST AGAIN MATE

How certain are you this will happen? I'd be amazed.

If this is totally unfounded and doesnt happen as we expect this is everything that let's down and discredits the "keep it blue" campaign which is a shame.

READ MY POST MATE,at no pOint did I say it would happen I was asking a question!!!! how can we be discredited when I didn't say it would happen?.......READ MY POST AGAIN MATE

So as I said in my posts scarmongerin
What uttered nonsense. I have no doubt you have posted this with a good heart but nonsense like this is just turning people who are on the fence into the "red" camp as it is called. Stupid comment like this have divide fans even more based on nothing other than a random thought.

It's post links this that annoy me more than the rebranding. Shot stirring as far as I can see.

If a chairman ever messed with those gates there would be a serious backlash

Pretty low to use the potential views of dead fans to back up your own agenda.
Post like this destroy the club not Tan - sick

Parochialism at it's very worst.

I no longer believe the Bluebird will ever disappear from our badge either.

I think after next season Tan will be forced to give the Bluebird
more prominence again.

Nobody is ever going to start singing come on you dragons

The daft tw*t

I no longer believe the Bluebird will ever disappear from our badge either.

I think after next season Tan will be forced to give the Bluebird
more prominence again.

Nobody is ever going to start singing come on you dragons

The daft tw*t

Daft tw*t?????????

Pretty low to use the potential views of dead fans to back up your own agenda.
Post like this destroy the club not Tan - sick

At no point have I mentioned the memorial garden,dead fans or any other bulshit you are making up to slate my name and bring down the blue side,I think you should read my original post again as nothing I say suggests this,at no point have I stated this will happen,I simply asked the question because it is relevant and you have turned it into something it isn't.If you can't answer the question don't bother replying.

You are the one who mentioned the memorial not me!

Read my post again

On these gates I wonder

My answer to your question is why not?

Having said that the very nature of your question, in my opinion, highlights the highly parochial position you have adopted over this rebranding.

I identify those gates with one thing, Ninian Park, and the club has placed them there as a symbol of respect to that wonderful ground that was our home for 98 years. Whenever I see those gates I remember the ground and how I felt wheneverI approached it on matchday, the floodlights for evening games, the atmosphere, the great games and even the smells around the ground.

I even remember the days when there was no "Bluebird" on the gates, no Ninian Park or 1910-2009. Hell I can even remember when there was no badge on the shirt and that's not difficult because we didn't have one until 1969.

Ninian park has gone, demolished and destroyed and exists only in our memories and for me these gates are a reminder of that ground and not the narrow,parochial identification with the Bluebird.

Subjective and emotive stuff typical of the pro blue brigade.

On these gates I wonder

My answer to your question is why not?

Having said that the very nature of your question, in my opinion, highlights the highly parochial position you have adopted over this rebranding.

I identify those gates with one thing, Ninian Park, and the club has placed them there as a symbol of respect to that wonderful ground that was our home for 98 years. Whenever I see those gates I remember the ground and how I felt wheneverI approached it on matchday, the floodlights for evening games, the atmosphere, the great games and even the smells around the ground.

I even remember the days when there was no "Bluebird" on the gates, no Ninian Park or 1910-2009. Hell I can even remember when there was no badge on the shirt and that's not difficult because we didn't have one until 1969.

Ninian park has gone, demolished and destroyed and exists only in our memories and for me these gates are a reminder of that ground and not the narrow,parochial identification with the Bluebird.

Subjective and emotive stuff typical of the pro blue brigade.

So you would be ok with them changing the gates?

On these gates I wonder

My answer to your question is why not?

Having said that the very nature of your question, in my opinion, highlights the highly parochial position you have adopted over this rebranding.

I identify those gates with one thing, Ninian Park, and the club has placed them there as a symbol of respect to that wonderful ground that was our home for 98 years. Whenever I see those gates I remember the ground and how I felt wheneverI approached it on matchday, the floodlights for evening games, the atmosphere, the great games and even the smells around the ground.

I even remember the days when there was no "Bluebird" on the gates, no Ninian Park or 1910-2009. Hell I can even remember when there was no badge on the shirt and that's not difficult because we didn't have one until 1969.

Ninian park has gone, demolished and destroyed and exists only in our memories and for me these gates are a reminder of that ground and not the narrow,parochial identification with the Bluebird.

Subjective and emotive stuff typical of the pro blue brigade.

So you would be ok with them changing the gates?

Why are the gates there Dazz? and when was the "Bluebird" added?

My position is I want the gates to remain and each season I take my grandson there and we talk about the old ground, the matches, the fans, the atmosphere and everything it meant to me. I want him to understand our past, as you would say our heritage and in terms of Ninian Park our heritage reamains only in our memories, and those gates are a positive reminder of those memories.

Your position appears to be "Will The Bluebird Remain" an extremely narrow and parochial position where you appear only concerned with the Bluebird. You claim to be concerned with the destruction of our heritage and yet the last remaining piece of Ninian Park, our heritage, is only important to you because of a Bluebird which as I say was added to the gates - When?

In my opinion a very poor thread which highlights the weakness of your assertion that our heritage is being destroyed.

On these gates I wonder

My answer to your question is why not?

Having said that the very nature of your question, in my opinion, highlights the highly parochial position you have adopted over this rebranding.

I identify those gates with one thing, Ninian Park, and the club has placed them there as a symbol of respect to that wonderful ground that was our home for 98 years. Whenever I see those gates I remember the ground and how I felt wheneverI approached it on matchday, the floodlights for evening games, the atmosphere, the great games and even the smells around the ground.

I even remember the days when there was no "Bluebird" on the gates, no Ninian Park or 1910-2009. Hell I can even remember when there was no badge on the shirt and that's not difficult because we didn't have one until 1969.

Ninian park has gone, demolished and destroyed and exists only in our memories and for me these gates are a reminder of that ground and not the narrow,parochial identification with the Bluebird.

Subjective and emotive stuff typical of the pro blue brigade.

So you would be ok with them changing the gates?

Why are the gates there Dazz? and when was the "Bluebird" added?

My position is I want the gates to remain and each season I take my grandson there and we talk about the old ground, the matches, the fans, the atmosphere and everything it meant to me. I want him to understand our past, as you would say our heritage and in terms of Ninian Park our heritage reamains only in our memories, and those gates are a positive reminder of those memories.

Your position appears to be "Will The Bluebird Remain" an extremely narrow and parochial position where you appear only concerned with the Bluebird. You claim to be concerned with the destruction of our heritage and yet the last remaining piece of Ninian Park, our heritage, is only important to you because of a Bluebird which as I say was added to the gates - When?

In my opinion a very poor thread which highlights the weakness of your assertion that our heritage is being destroyed.

Narrow minded I am not,I am simply asking a question and it seems asking a question is deemed to be derailing the Red train and not a genuine attempt to find out how people feel purely because I have a keep cardiff blue avatar,I didn't have an opinion on the matter my post is asking if the gates will be included in the rebrand and it was twisted and changed to suit the red argument and try to pour scorn on the blue,there was no narrow minded intent or an attempt to stir things up, it is a simple question about the possibilities of this happening which has been taken out of context to suit .,I have my views and as I have said many times the fans are now divided and it seems we will never agree so I see no point discussing anything red v blue any longer.

This is my last post on this subject and the issue of rebranding.

Forget the blue/red debate one minute! And where have this memorial garden came from? I was at every home game last year and i havnt seen it! Is it by the gates?

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Forget the blue/red debate one minute! And where have this memorial garden came from? I was at every home game last year and i havnt seen it! Is it by the gates?

it been added this summer and yeah it is.

ust getting silly now tbh i respect what youre doing but threads like this will not do you many favours with people on the fence, keep fighting the blue corner but i just feel this is all getting silly and petty

Its a very negative campaign which isn't going to get Dizzy anywhere. Gosh, I'm accused of sniping at Aniss etc how about people sniping at the club???? We're red this season, get over it, put your energy into doing something far more positive about changing us back to blu rather than a smear campaign. i've seen these tactics before and with perhaps the exception of a general election it won't get you anywhere in this respect, if anything it could lead to a hardening of the club's stance on the matter.

Considering their are the gates from Ninian Park then yes, it will remain, it's pretty much there as a monument (sort of).

Considering their are the gates from Ninian Park then yes, it will remain, it's pretty much there as a monument (sort of).

Spot On.