" REPORT FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING "

To sum up the meeting, cause the Malaysians said so.....repeat. load of f*cking bollox and a waste of time.
I'm 100% decided, I'll not support this franchise, it's not my club, my club has been ripped apart and I'm absolutely devastated, proper gutted that the thing Ive loved for so long is dead, angry more than anything. Putting Asian fans before local fans, never thought I'd see the f*cking day. The day they piss off back to Malaysia the better

Same team plus more quality playing in the same stadium watched by the same fans (apart from a few maybe) playing under the same name Cardiff City with the nickname the Bluebirds managed by the same promising manager. What part of this makes it a franchise?

To sum up the meeting, cause the Malaysians said so.....repeat. load of f*cking bollox and a waste of time.
I'm 100% decided, I'll not support this franchise, it's not my club, my club has been ripped apart and I'm absolutely devastated, proper gutted that the thing Ive loved for so long is dead, angry more than anything. Putting Asian fans before local fans, never thought I'd see the f*cking day. The day they piss off back to Malaysia the better

Same team plus more quality playing in the same stadium watched by the same fans (apart from a few maybe) playing under the same name Cardiff City with the nickname the Bluebirds managed by the same promising manager. What part of this makes it a franchise?

some man city fans and utd fans think that but still the club go s on so either surport the team or not

This basically reads, that it's what VT wants, VT gets, as it's his money - and that's the end of that. Well f**k VT, let him have his plaything, its not our club anymore, its his. I'll still always support Cardiff City, but I'll never watch them again until the changes are reversed and VT has fucked off. I just hope/pray more of our fanbase don't go back and see sense too.. then hopefully the c**t goes bust.

And before any moron gives the old ''if he goes bust, we go bust''. Fine as that's not my club. Rather see a new one in the lowest league of English/Welsh football, than pay money for a plastic franchise.

Absolutely devastated.

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Im not really bothered what they do to the stadium... It dosen't even look like a fearless place or home and we taken ages to try and make it homely. Quite sad.

It doesn't sound certain that people will get refunds after all?

Interesting read.
If I were Mr Tan I'd be asking Alan Whitely and Co a question or two about why they aren't selling the plan more positively and don't have a bit more confidence.
Anyway, the plan is the plan and there it is. And with it the money.For some of you who may never have read it,it might be worth going back and reading DT's stement on the official site regarding club finance,rebranding and the future particularly in view of the new fair play rules.It's quite clear,very logical and explains many things.

Please tell me when over the last 40 years (if ever)we've been making bids for players like Phillips. £2m?! - no wonder Holloway was so chippy, he was jealous, and perhaps we were close. When did we last take a star in the making like Mutch from a club like Brum City at an alleged (all in or not)£2.5m? And this time with backing and not thin air.Sordell?Pretty damn close.
There are more players coming in to add to a great squad and we're going for promotion.What a positive story whether we do it or not. If we're turning down a £6M bid for Whits (may be a bollocks post)what a story.

I don't particularly want the red or the badge, but the badge can change with supporter input next year and will be improved(I know it won't take much).I never wear colours personally and will always shade to blue but whatever happens I will support the team and our excellent manager 100%. Those of you who are thinking about doing something different ought to have a long hard think.

p.s. we are in or about to hit a worldwide recession and money is tight and will get tighter. Entering this with a backer like Mr Tan is not a bad idea.If my recollection of club history is correct after finishing 2nd in Div1 to Huddrsfield (1925?) and then winning the cup in 1927 along came the 1929 crash, long recession and crowds down from 20,000 to 2000. We didn't get back to the 1st Division until 1959/60? When we missed out in 1970 (20,000 crowds) we went on a slump from Div2(old Championship) down to Divs3/4 and the 2000 crowds again. Alan Whitely has tonight confirmed we were effectively bust 2 yeras ago and were saved by the Malaysian investment. Let's not f**k up again boys.

Many thanks to those who have diligently taken notes in order to keep the fans informed . From the reports on here little has changed and a few matters have been confirmed .
* AW is an absolute waste of space and nothin more than a puppet of VTs
* VT is an absolute waste of space and a puppet of his own delusional vision of CCFC as a personal toy . It's my football ......
* CCFC needs VTs money and as I see it the fans have little option other than to accept VTs 'vision' - begrudgingly or
otherwise.

On a personal note I look forward to the day CCFC is free of VT - may his tenure pass quickly !

Shocking at best tonight was whiteley fav sayings was " i can not answer that" "i dont know" "shrugs shoulders" Are these people really employed by the club what a joke to think whats going on down there while are owners are 6000miles away

This basically reads, that it's what VT wants, VT gets, as it's his money - and that's the end of that. Well f**k VT, let him have his plaything, its not our club anymore, its his. I'll still always support Cardiff City, but I'll never watch them again until the changes are reversed and VT has fucked off. I just hope/pray more of our fanbase don't go back and see sense too.. then hopefully the c**t goes bust.

And before any moron gives the old ''if he goes bust, we go bust''. Fine as that's not my club. Rather see a new one in the lowest league of English/Welsh football, than pay money for a plastic franchise.

Absolutely devastated.

I doubt very much whether the fortunes of Cardiif City will make or break VT.
I reckon youre at odds with the whole new world of football and the money now involved. Nothing wrong with your principles but the world keeps turning and alas it wont stop so we move on without you.

This basically reads, that it's what VT wants, VT gets, as it's his money - and that's the end of that. Well f**k VT, let him have his plaything, its not our club anymore, its his. I'll still always support Cardiff City, but I'll never watch them again until the changes are reversed and VT has fucked off. I just hope/pray more of our fanbase don't go back and see sense too.. then hopefully the c**t goes bust.

And before any moron gives the old ''if he goes bust, we go bust''. Fine as that's not my club. Rather see a new one in the lowest league of English/Welsh football, than pay money for a plastic franchise.

Absolutely devastated.

I doubt very much whether the fortunes of Cardiif City will make or break VT.
I reckon youre at odds with the whole new world of football and the money now involved. Nothing wrong with your principles but the world keeps turning and alas it wont stop so we move on without you.

You aren't worth a response.

This basically reads, that it's what VT wants, VT gets, as it's his money - and that's the end of that. Well f**k VT, let him have his plaything, its not our club anymore, its his. I'll still always support Cardiff City, but I'll never watch them again until the changes are reversed and VT has fucked off. I just hope/pray more of our fanbase don't go back and see sense too.. then hopefully the c**t goes bust.

And before any moron gives the old ''if he goes bust, we go bust''. Fine as that's not my club. Rather see a new one in the lowest league of English/Welsh football, than pay money for a plastic franchise.

Absolutely devastated.

I doubt very much whether the fortunes of Cardiif City will make or break VT.
I reckon youre at odds with the whole new world of football and the money now involved. Nothing wrong with your principles but the world keeps turning and alas it wont stop so we move on without you.

You aren't worth a response.

But you did

Not much change then? We're still fucked and (although I've said this every year for 4 or 5 years) - this season really is shit or bust !!

My request for a refund still stands

Shocking at best tonight was whiteley fav sayings was " i can not answer that" "i dont know" "shrugs shoulders" Are these people really employed by the club what a joke to think whats going on down there while are owners are 6000miles away

....... That's correct hardly any questions were answered , there is no one leading the club, The club is being run over the phone. Apparently Wayne Nash has been looking at premiership training facilities, what qualifies him to do that. He runs the security . AW cannot answer direct questions. FFS they are bumbling buffoons. Get someone to run the club, they couldn't even sort carling cup tickets. Clowns told Vince not to tell anyone , why tell him then.

This basically reads, that it's what VT wants, VT gets, as it's his money - and that's the end of that. Well f**k VT, let him have his plaything, its not our club anymore, its his. I'll still always support Cardiff City, but I'll never watch them again until the changes are reversed and VT has fucked off. I just hope/pray more of our fanbase don't go back and see sense too.. then hopefully the c**t goes bust.

And before any moron gives the old ''if he goes bust, we go bust''. Fine as that's not my club. Rather see a new one in the lowest league of English/Welsh football, than pay money for a plastic franchise.

Absolutely devastated.

I doubt very much whether the fortunes of Cardiif City will make or break VT.
I reckon youre at odds with the whole new world of football and the money now involved. Nothing wrong with your principles but the world keeps turning and alas it wont stop so we move on without you.

You aren't worth a response.

But you did

Well, not really.

I'm entitled my opinion though, anti-red. Just like you are entitled to your opinion, pro-red. I'll accept where you stand on it, I dont f*cking agree with you but I will, personal choice isn't it? Your belittling comments to me (not for the first time) whilst I'm truly gutted about the whole situation are just insulting and really childish to boot. Really sums up the mentality of some that follow our club. So go enjoy your new club, and stop kicking people when they are down.

For those who post I'd rather see us in the lowest tier of English/Wesh football(Conference?).
1.You must be mad
2. 99.9% of you wouldn't go to the games.
3. You are a Jack
Sorry to be harsh but that's how I see it.

Generated into another moaning thread so I'll leave it to those who know how to run a business (yes football is a business) better than the billionaire and the staff he employs. If you keep telling yourself that you're right then you must be I suppose

Annis attended tonight's meeting and took notes for the forum members to be abreast of what was said. I am writing this report on behalf of Annis as I was not present at the meeting.

When Annis arrived he said the club had 5 security staff on duty and barriers placed at the entrance, 5 people were refused entry into the meeting as their names were not on the invited list. There were 28 names on the list at reception.

The meeting started with Alan Whiteley, Julian Jenkins, Wayne Nash, Barrie McAuliffe and Malky Mackay in attendance along with 2 security staff.

The meeting started at 18.10.

Alan Whiteley stated that there were 30 fans in attendance at the meeting.

Alan told the group that in 2007 the club was £24million in debt when Peter Ridsdale came in he "robbed Peter to pay Paul" (that throw's up some jokes I am sure )

Alan continued by 2010 the club was literally bust and it was a very difficult time, days before the Blackpool Play Off Final the Malaysians invested £6million and today that investment stands at just under £41million. Vincent Tan's investment is incurring 7% interest but so far VT has taken nothing out of the club. PMG, Ranson and Langston are debts that need addressing. Vincent Tan wants Premier League football at the end of this season and he wants to be in the top 2.

Without Vincent Tan's money and if the club were to settle the historical debt then the club would have to charge the 22,000 fans who attend our games on average £75 per match ticket but the season ticket holder would have to pay £60 per ticket on top of their season ticket if we wanted to continue as we are in the Championship.

If the club wanted more investment then we would have to look further afield, the only person with money on the table and offering it is Vincent Tan, the club has no other choice - it weren't a difficult decision to make to accept VT's offer of investment.

Vincent Tan wants to bring stability to the club and is offering funds for team strengthening as well.

Alan Whiteley was criticised by the group for not consulting the fans on the change of colour and badge, Alan disagreed with the criticism.

The group then stated that fans wanted the right to discuss the changes but Alan said the decision was taken for the right reasons.

Fans - We are a laughing stock, again Alan disagreed that we are.

The group then asked about the business plan and sould it be explianed to them , Alan said it was purely Vincent Tan's risk and not the club's.

Alan was asked if he had seen the business plan and again he replied it was VT's risk.

The fans asked if the debt would continue to rise.

Alan Whiteley categorically said that the debt will only be solved if Langston is settled. Alan also said it was never red or dead.

Fans - Why red ?

AW - VT believes it will attract Asian market.

Fans - How much will it attract ?

AW - It is only VT's business plan, there is no risk to the club but only VT can answer the question.

Fans - Was VT questioned about the colour change?

AW - The changes are VT's conditions not mine, I am only chief executive. If any of you have £60million to put in then great. VT believes red is a symbolic colour.

Fan - Will we continue to increase debt ?

AW - Spoke again about the need to settle Langston so the debt to equity swap can happen. Alan said there has been 3 offers made to Langston, £8 million within 30 days, £10 million over the space of one year or £13 million involving £8 million over a year and £5 million upon promotion to the Premier League.

Alan stated that the club could continue to run up debts until 2016 when the Langston debt, in the club's view, would have to be paid.

Fan - What would have happened if we did not have VT's money ?

AW- League 1 or League 2 if we were living within our means.

Fan - Why was no other fans allowed into the meeting tonight ?

AW - this is a private meeting and emails we sent to those who requested their seaosn ticket money back and those who responded and confirmed they could attend were placed as an invitee on the list. Alan confirmed that 89 supporters had requested their season ticket money back.

Malky Mackay then spoke to the group.

MM- I need every fan and everyone of you in the room to get behind my team, our team.

Fan - Would you be saying the same to Celtic fans ?

MM - I understand traditions and I know it is emotional.

Glenn Waithe asked MM - So would you tell Celtic fans to accept the change ?

MM - You know the answer.

Fan - What about your budget, are you happy with it ?

MM - I am satisfied with the budget and I'll spend every single penny of it, I had money last season, I bid £2million for Matt Phillips, I bid for Sordell and Noone in January as well but clubs wouldn't sell to us, not many clubs are successful in January it is a difficult month to buy players.

Malky did say that he felt Reading and West Ham did well in January.

Malky then continued to say to the group to support the team, get behind his team, with out VT this club would be in the 4th division, Malky knows that in the short term the debt will increase.

When asked about Bellamy, Malky said he would not comment as at this time Craig is a Liverpool player.

Fan - If the whole stadium chanted Bluebirds Malky how would you feel?

MM- Then I know you are getting behind the team.

Fan - Do you feel under pressure because of the budget ?

MM - I was under pressure last season and got us to the play offs, this season I am going for top 2 and promotion.

Someone in the room asked again about Celtic and how their fans would react?

MM - I understand the passion and you all know the answer.

Fan - But with the war chest you got you must feel more pressure ?

MM - I have not got a war chest, I have got a budget. Did you know that on average a manager lasts 1 year and 4 months in their job in the Championship, I guess I got 4 months left he said laughing. I take players with good backgrounds and a lot of work is put in to finding out about their backgrounds, last season was mostly free transfers, this year I can bring players in of better quality and promise those players that we are going places and there will be more quality players coming in as we got the money.

Fan - Have you been asked to bring in Malaysian players ?

MM - TG and VT have only ever asked me to train some Malaysian players, they have never asked if they will go in the team, it is just training for the players.

Fan - Do you need the £10million training ground ?

MM - Yes, the Vale has a lovely hotel and facilities but only one training pitch, that is not enough for what we need, so yes I need the new training ground.

Annis - was you asked to attend tonight's meeting ?

MM - I came of my own accord because i dont want to lose one fan.

Fan - This must be distracting for you and your plans ?

MM - major distraction would be selling players like Whittingham, this is not a distraction

Fan - Will we steam roll this division this season ?

MM - No team ever steam rolls this division.

Fan - What about Newcastle?

MM - Newcastle were able to keep hold of their PL players when they were relegated so a big difference.

The group made Malky aware that they were not against him or the team.

Malky thanked the group for coming and he said he appreciated them and the passion they have for the club.

Malky left the room to an applause.

Fan - Why did VT change his mind after saying we would stay Blue.

AW - Said he couldn't answer, only VT could.

Julian Jenkins said that no-one knew what would happen if VT withdrew his money.

Fan - Red or Blue -We were blackmailed.

AW - Not blackmailed it was a condition.

Some of the group then said they wanted their money back and Alan Whiteley said the club will let them know of their decision within 10 days.

Fan - When did you know about the re-brand ?

AW - Early April is when we first told.

Fan - Because fi the red, shirt sales will be down.

AW - Agreed in the short term that was probable.

Fan - What details do we have about future revenue coming in from Asia.

AW - There is no detail, it is one man's vision, VT's vision. He has got hundreds of retail outlets in Asia and he knows how to market.

Fan - you do know that fans are falling out and family members are falling out ?

AW - It is divisive and emotional, we are aware.

JJ - We should share VT's vision.

When asked about keeping the current badge Alan Whiteley said he went to VT and said the fans are not happy at all with the new badge and VT said it was too late but Alan said he did get VT to agree to give the fans input into next years design of a new badge.

A few fans started to leave the meeting and Annis said TLG was questioning AW on the promise of the £9million of shares to be converted that never happened when Annis' pen run out

Annis had heard enough at this point and left the meeting.

Annis tells me that he is not happy about the change to red and will always want to stay in blue, he has no respect for VT for changing our colour and badge but he respects Alan, Julian, Wayne, Barrie and Malky because at the end of the day they did not have to meet the group but they chose to.

Also Annis said he is glad that the supporters who went tonight were given the opportunity to speak their minds and put across their feelings.

As I was not at the meeting and I have had a conversation over the phone with Annis I apologise in advance if any of this has been misquoted and I get brought to task over it.

does the fact that this meeting was for those who wanted refunds mean annis has requested a refund if not why was he allowed in and others turned away just a question

This basically reads, that it's what VT wants, VT gets, as it's his money - and that's the end of that. Well f**k VT, let him have his plaything, its not our club anymore, its his. I'll still always support Cardiff City, but I'll never watch them again until the changes are reversed and VT has fucked off. I just hope/pray more of our fanbase don't go back and see sense too.. then hopefully the c**t goes bust.

And before any moron gives the old ''if he goes bust, we go bust''. Fine as that's not my club. Rather see a new one in the lowest league of English/Welsh football, than pay money for a plastic franchise.

Absolutely devastated.

fully agree mate im with you its all so sad

Sorry to cause more tears. Football back when money wasnt the biggest deal has gone. This is the future of Football.

Man up, get on with it.

Sorry to cause more tears. Football back when money wasnt the biggest deal has gone. This is the future of Football.

Man up, get on with it.

You mean suck up, get on with it Chief.

It worries me that staff at the club seem to know not much more than we do, that it is all VT and that is it.

The most interesting thing about that was Malky and his belief. He certainly has me convinced!!!


I think it's about time we all took a step back, stopped in-fighting, realise what great things could be at our fingertips and look to the future as Bluebirds.

NO MATTER THE COLOUR I'LL ALWAYS HAVE MY LITTLE PICK AND SHOVEL

Interesting read.
If I were Mr Tan I'd be asking Alan Whitely and Co a question or two about why they aren't selling the plan more positively and don't have a bit more confidence.
Anyway, the plan is the plan and there it is. And with it the money.For some of you who may never have read it,it might be worth going back and reading DT's stement on the official site regarding club finance,rebranding and the future particularly in view of the new fair play rules.It's quite clear,very logical and explains many things.

Please tell me when over the last 40 years (if ever)we've been making bids for players like Phillips. £2m?! - no wonder Holloway was so chippy, he was jealous, and perhaps we were close. When did we last take a star in the making like Mutch from a club like Brum City at an alleged (all in or not)£2.5m? And this time with backing and not thin air.Sordell?Pretty damn close.
There are more players coming in to add to a great squad and we're going for promotion.What a positive story whether we do it or not. If we're turning down a £6M bid for Whits (may be a bollocks post)what a story.

I don't particularly want the red or the badge, but the badge can change with supporter input next year and will be improved(I know it won't take much).I never wear colours personally and will always shade to blue but whatever happens I will support the team and our excellent manager 100%. Those of you who are thinking about doing something different ought to have a long hard think.

p.s. we are in or about to hit a worldwide recession and money is tight and will get tighter. Entering this with a backer like Mr Tan is not a bad idea.If my recollection of club history is correct after finishing 2nd in Div1 to Huddrsfield (1925?) and then winning the cup in 1927 along came the 1929 crash, long recession and crowds down from 20,000 to 2000. We didn't get back to the 1st Division until 1959/60? When we missed out in 1970 (20,000 crowds) we went on a slump from Div2(old Championship) down to Divs3/4 and the 2000 crowds again. Alan Whitely has tonight confirmed we were effectively bust 2 yeras ago and were saved by the Malaysian investment. Let's not f**k up again boys.

Carry on crying. Nothing lasts forever.

Im not really bothered what they do to the stadium... It dosen't even look like a fearless place or home and we taken ages to try and make it homely. Quite sad.

This is something which really needs changing.

Ent they changing it with pictures of history? I dont think the stadium has to change apart from advertisment of Mayalsia etc. Which they done a bit of already dont bother me. If we can combine things of Cardiff to make it homely.

Why is this a sticky and this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84937 isn't?

Why is this a sticky and this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84937 isn't?

Probably because this thread was posted earlier and everything relevant is contained in this thread, including the main article in the thread you've picked up on!

What an absolute joke our club is.

Very worrying that our board members seem unaware of the reasoning behind
Vincent Tans rebranding. FFS the feller could at least give his staff something
to fight back with, some substance. Even if they lose the argument, its better
than leaving them looking like swinging dicks!

LADS.... The badge AND the kits....

f**k him!!

The badge HAS to change after this season its like a bad joke, but if he does not
sell any red kits, If only the Blue ones leave the shelves... He's a businessman!!
He will have to reconsider this stupid rude and damaging rebrand, or at least have
supporters in and give us an input.

If the shirts dont sell. If the merchandise with that badge dont sell. He will have to
reconsider.

If we have to swallow this daft bollocks for one season (and we do ) then so be it!

We've heard it now officially. Tan wants top two this season, that HAS to be a positive.
So i suspect Malky has a bit more money to spend than we all thought.

Tan cannot carry a team into the Premier League wearing ONE kit, when all the fans
are wearing another. I hope.