New Kit in Club Shop

Do you think any supporters wearing the new red shirts will get any grief?

From reading this board the last 2 weeks I can well see it happening myself.

Both sides seem quite vociferous over the whole thing.

I think it's about personal choice Stan and some will buy Red, some Blue and others maybe neither as a protest. Whilst there is always a risk the odd fan may take things to far in my opinion the vast majority will respect other fans decision.

I wasn't going to buy a shirt but know I have decided to buy a Red one but my guess is this season there will be more Blue on view, next season if we get the design right and the club crest right there will be a lot more red and it will increase season on season.

I will however not be changing my username to Castlered sounds to much like a cheap Aussie beer and no amount of marketing could sell that.

Tongue in cheek username aside, I wonder what people will buy next year - the blue kit is not as nice as last year's and the badge, well....bloody hell.

Looks like the CCFC retro section will be having a lot of sales maybe? God knows what I'll do, maybe get a red shirt for the novelty value (in a few years time it may have "retro" / infamy appeal - IE Arsenal away 1991!!) but make a point of wearing a blue fleece / coat / jacket over it whenever I fo wear it. The 2011/12 shirt will have to last a few years yet I think!!

Cheers you have just given Annis his next project once all the books are sold

Do you think any supporters wearing the new red shirts will get any grief?

From reading this board the last 2 weeks I can well see it happening myself.

Both sides seem quite vociferous over the whole thing.

I think unfortunately it will cause trouble, hope not but can see it.
Beer involved somewhere along the line but yeah trouble ahead I believe.

Imagine a red shirt walking past a fan who's had a few

Do you think any supporters wearing the new red shirts will get any grief?

From reading this board the last 2 weeks I can well see it happening myself.

Both sides seem quite vociferous over the whole thing.

I honestly don't think so.
Maybe a few chavy 17 year olds trying to act tough might say something to someone smaller than them but anyone with half a brain will realise its a personal choice and they are off to support Cardiff City.

Also you have to remember what is said on the internet doesn't always relate to real life, I believe the term is keyboard warriors

Do you think any supporters wearing the new red shirts will get any grief?

From reading this board the last 2 weeks I can well see it happening myself.

Both sides seem quite vociferous over the whole thing.

I think unfortunately it will cause trouble, hope not but can see it.
Beer involved somewhere along the line but yeah trouble ahead I believe.

Imagine a red shirt walking past a fan who's had a few

Stan those days have gone....if they were ever there. On many occasions away supporters wearing their club colours walked to the CCS without a hint of trouble.In fact when one 'so called' City supporter took exception to a visiting supporter and had a go at him and he was soon 'bought in to line'.The GENERAL view of other clubs fans is that Cardiff go looking for trouble.....when in fact they are not bullies but will stand their ground if needed. TIMES HAVE MOVED ON as I am sure you are only too aware

Good stuff, going to go down there and get the outfits for our plastic army tomorrow

mm said in december there would be new players coming in january fare enough what he dident say was it would be the away team i can also tell you there will be news player coming to the club this year infact 21 bus loads of them

Do you think any supporters wearing the new red shirts will get any grief?

From reading this board the last 2 weeks I can well see it happening myself.

Both sides seem quite vociferous over the whole thing.

Anybody dishing out grief should be banned from the club, on August 18th everyone needs to get begins the team 100%, blue or red it shouldn't matter, roaring the boys on to three points should be the sole objective.

Here it is on show boy'os!

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Just seen the new kit home and away that the club now have in the club shop on two mannequin dummies, the badge looks truly awful, it looks cheap and nasty, the kits look okay if the blue kit was home and the away kit was away, but its going to look mighty strange with the"Bluebirds" running out in a red kit next season now i have just seen the kit in the flesh so to speak, i think people will wonder which way we are playing for quite a few games.
i am afraid with "that" badge on the kit, it looks what it is, rushed, cheap and nasty, oh well i guess though now we are in red we are bound to romp through this league and spend tens of millions on top players ...NOT

As some one who is reluctantly prepared for change, I hope nobody buys the red kit and that only old blue kits are worn at games

Just seen the new kit home and away that the club now have in the club shop on two mannequin dummies, the badge looks truly awful, it looks cheap and nasty, the kits look okay if the blue kit was home and the away kit was away, but its going to look mighty strange with the"Bluebirds" running out in a red kit next season now i have just seen the kit in the flesh so to speak, i think people will wonder which way we are playing for quite a few games.
i am afraid with "that" badge on the kit, it looks what it is, rushed, cheap and nasty, oh well i guess though now we are in red we are bound to romp through this league and spend tens of millions on top players ...NOT

As some one who is reluctantly prepared for change, I hope nobody buys the red kit and that only old blue kits are worn at games

agreed

As some one who is reluctantly prepared for change, I hope nobody buys the red kit and that only old blue kits are worn at games

I agree, but not going to happen unfortunately!

I can't see myself ever buying anything with that badge on it, assuming it stays for longer than a season.

Here it is on show boy'os!

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what a lot of rubbish... BOYCOTT

Simon, Is it true what I am hearing the Red kit will be For Sale end of July, but no date yet for the Blue Kit ?

I have seen the kits, they are without doubt an Embarrassment to our club and that badge is the lowest of the low, No way can surely anyone buy that kit with that Brains Brewery Beer mat on it.

Simon, you were a Director of Cardiff City during the Rick Wright era, whats your honest views on all this ?

Annis,
I am not 100% sure if the blue kits come out at the same time as the red kits at the end of July, however i will say this, after over 30 years in marketing and being a director of a local marketing company, i think the club have dropped a massive one on all this re branding, you can not re brand history and tradition, Cardiff City are the Bluebirds, they play in Blue and there badge should be a Bluebird, we never have been or never will be (I hope ) the Dragons, we are not red we are blue.
Cities in general have a colour, that there sporting teams adopt, such as there football and Rugby teams, Cardiff as a City is Blue, Like Leeds is White, and Newcastle is Black, Sunderland Red, the only time this changes is if you have more than one team in your City, and even then you have for instance the Red half and the Blue half of Mersyside, or Manchester or Sheffield for example.
The whole sorry state of affairs could have been handled far more profesionaly and alot better, the badge i am afraid is nothing more thatn a sad joke, a laughing stock of modern day football.

Funny you identify Leeds with "White" as that is not their original colour and not "The Whites" is not their original nickname.

Leeds Utd were "Rebranded" in 1961 when their the manager Don Revie changed their yellow & blue kits to the all white because he wanted to "emulate" Real Madrid, the club also dropped it's then nickname "The Peacocks". The club crest was also dropped and no crest was worn on the shirts and 3 years later a crest with an "Owl" was introduced before later being replaced simply by L.U.F.C, then a crest which became known as the smiley crest, then a disc with and there have 5 different versions since.

Although the change was not well supported at the time this was followed by a period of indifference then the club started climbing the league and no one gave a toss. Plastic supporters eh, but it is an object lesson that a football club can rebrand and those changes can be embraced by the club supporters.

Just like our supporters will in my opinion.

That right CB, the rebranding worked for Leeds......nothing to do with the manager they had then?

Do you think any supporters wearing the new red shirts will get any grief?

From reading this board the last 2 weeks I can well see it happening myself.

Both sides seem quite vociferous over the whole thing.

I think it's about personal choice Stan and some will buy Red, some Blue and others maybe neither as a protest. Whilst there is always a risk the odd fan may take things to far in my opinion the vast majority will respect other fans decision.

I wasn't going to buy a shirt but know I have decided to buy a Red one but my guess is this season there will be more Blue on view, next season if we get the design right and the club crest right there will be a lot more red and it will increase season on season.

I will however not be changing my username to Castlered sounds to much like a cheap Aussie beer and no amount of marketing could sell that.

I think castlered sounds great

Simon, Is it true what I am hearing the Red kit will be For Sale end of July, but no date yet for the Blue Kit ?

I have seen the kits, they are without doubt an Embarrassment to our club and that badge is the lowest of the low, No way can surely anyone buy that kit with that Brains Brewery Beer mat on it.

Simon, you were a Director of Cardiff City during the Rick Wright era, whats your honest views on all this ?

Annis,
I am not 100% sure if the blue kits come out at the same time as the red kits at the end of July, however i will say this, after over 30 years in marketing and being a director of a local marketing company, i think the club have dropped a massive one on all this re branding, you can not re brand history and tradition, Cardiff City are the Bluebirds, they play in Blue and there badge should be a Bluebird, we never have been or never will be (I hope ) the Dragons, we are not red we are blue.
Cities in general have a colour, that there sporting teams adopt, such as there football and Rugby teams, Cardiff as a City is Blue, Like Leeds is White, and Newcastle is Black, Sunderland Red, the only time this changes is if you have more than one team in your City, and even then you have for instance the Red half and the Blue half of Mersyside, or Manchester or Sheffield for example.
The whole sorry state of affairs could have been handled far more profesionaly and alot better, the badge i am afraid is nothing more thatn a sad joke, a laughing stock of modern day football.

Funny you identify Leeds with "White" as that is not their original colour and not "The Whites" is not their original nickname.

Leeds Utd were "Rebranded" in 1961 when their the manager Don Revie changed their yellow & blue kits to the all white because he wanted to "emulate" Real Madrid, the club also dropped it's then nickname "The Peacocks". The club crest was also dropped and no crest was worn on the shirts and 3 years later a crest with an "Owl" was introduced before later being replaced simply by L.U.F.C, then a crest which became known as the smiley crest, then a disc with and there have 5 different versions since.

Although the change was not well supported at the time this was followed by a period of indifference then the club started climbing the league and no one gave a toss. Plastic supporters eh, but it is an object lesson that a football club can rebrand and those changes can be embraced by the club supporters.

Just like our supporters will in my opinion.

That right CB, the rebranding worked for Leeds......nothing to do with the manager they had then?

I can't see where he's said the rebranding worked for Leeds, unless I've missed something, I think he's merely saying that when Leeds became successful, none of the fans gave a toss that they'd changed their badge, the colour of their strip and the name of their stadium!

Annis,

That red kit can stay in the shop for eternity as far as I am concerned. I will NEVER EVER buy that red kit or anything with that awful Badge on.. and I like many thousands of Fans buy a lot from the Club Shop. well I can assure you , you wont see me in there this season end of.

I Cant see why Mr Tan , cant see he has scored a major own goal here. For somebody who is obviously a very intellegent smart businessman , its hard to take on board.

My thought process now on this issue is he may be using it as a tool to sweep out the old guard /fans etc and create Fans who are going to do anything that he says. I could be way off the mark here. but nothing about the re-brand makes sense to me at all.
In business you have to keep your customers happy , he seems to adopt the total opposite philosophy.
I think my head is going to explode with trying to work out why he feels so strongly about it.
Steve

I have felt that the "old guard " are wanted or neded,since the whole rebranding debacle started
I spoke to a Malaysian guy last week, who thought that it was an ego trip and that the Malaysia branding was considered a bit tacky by quite a few people back home.


That red kit can stay in the shop for eternity as far as I am concerned. I will NEVER EVER buy that red kit or anything with that awful Badge on.. and I like many thousands of Fans buy a lot from the Club Shop. well I can assure you , you wont see me in there this season end of.

I Cant see why Mr Tan , cant see he has scored a major own goal here. For somebody who is obviously a very intellegent smart businessman , its hard to take on board.

My thought process now on this issue is he may be using it as a tool to sweep out the old guard /fans etc and create Fans who are going to do anything that he says. I could be way off the mark here. but nothing about the re-brand makes sense to me at all.
In business you have to keep your customers happy , he seems to adopt the total opposite philosophy.
I think my head is going to explode with trying to work out why he feels so strongly about it.
Steve[/quote]

Funny you identify Leeds with "White" as that is not their original colour and not "The Whites" is not their original nickname.




51 years ago !!!! this is the modern world now..things have changed !

This is without doubt an ego trip on behalf of Tan. Extremely wealthy people do tend to come with ego's of a similar size and for him to do this is nothing more than massaging his own ego. Originally when the idea was put to bed a statement came out which amounted to nothing more than 'If I'm not allowed to be the striker and score all the goals then I am taking my ball home'. He then comes back and decides that he really doesn't give a monkey's about the feelings of the supporters (well most anyway, those whose integrity outweigh the desire for Premier League football). And Tan won't stop here either, once the new colours and badge have been 'bedded in' then will come the name change, Cardiff Dragons, make my words it will happen, and eventually he may even drop the name 'Cardiff'. He has certainly surrounded himself with 'yes' men as far as Cardiff is concerned and the excuse for the change of colours is pure bollox. As our own Malaysian owner recently said in an interview when talking about promoting QPR in Asia, it is all about the product and not the colour of the shirt, which we for one, will not be changing. All Tan has achieved is a division of the supporters and I for one cannot believe the grief that Annis has got on this board especially with regards to the information he has provided for supporters over the years. The guy deserves a bit more respect than some are according him. He has his beliefs about the matter, which includes a huge passion for what Cardiff City stands for, and I believe that he is 100% spot on with his concerns.

This is without doubt an ego trip on behalf of Tan. Extremely wealthy people do tend to come with ego's of a similar size and for him to do this is nothing more than massaging his own ego. Originally when the idea was put to bed a statement came out which amounted to nothing more than 'If I'm not allowed to be the striker and score all the goals then I am taking my ball home'. He then comes back and decides that he really doesn't give a monkey's about the feelings of the supporters (well most anyway, those whose integrity outweigh the desire for Premier League football). And Tan won't stop here either, once the new colours and badge have been 'bedded in' then will come the name change, Cardiff Dragons, make my words it will happen, and eventually he may even drop the name 'Cardiff'. He has certainly surrounded himself with 'yes' men as far as Cardiff is concerned and the excuse for the change of colours is pure bollox. As our own Malaysian owner recently said in an interview when talking about promoting QPR in Asia, it is all about the product and not the colour of the shirt, which we for one, will not be changing. All Tan has achieved is a division of the supporters and I for one cannot believe the grief that Annis has got on this board especially with regards to the information he has provided for supporters over the years. The guy deserves a bit more respect than some are according him. He has his beliefs about the matter, which includes a huge passion for what Cardiff City stands for, and I believe that he is 100% spot on with his concerns.

Aren't Man City's owner's massaging their ego(s) as well then? I can't see any of their fans complaining about the money that has been and is being spent there and if their owners suddenly decided that they needed to change their shirt colour and badge, their fans probably wouldn't give a monkey's, as long as they kept on finishing above their nearby rival!

You probably mean well here mate, but it's easy to talk about integrity and Premier League football in the same breath, when you already have it!

This is without doubt an ego trip on behalf of Tan. Extremely wealthy people do tend to come with ego's of a similar size and for him to do this is nothing more than massaging his own ego. Originally when the idea was put to bed a statement came out which amounted to nothing more than 'If I'm not allowed to be the striker and score all the goals then I am taking my ball home'. He then comes back and decides that he really doesn't give a monkey's about the feelings of the supporters (well most anyway, those whose integrity outweigh the desire for Premier League football). And Tan won't stop here either, once the new colours and badge have been 'bedded in' then will come the name change, Cardiff Dragons, make my words it will happen, and eventually he may even drop the name 'Cardiff'. He has certainly surrounded himself with 'yes' men as far as Cardiff is concerned and the excuse for the change of colours is pure bollox. As our own Malaysian owner recently said in an interview when talking about promoting QPR in Asia, it is all about the product and not the colour of the shirt, which we for one, will not be changing. All Tan has achieved is a division of the supporters and I for one cannot believe the grief that Annis has got on this board especially with regards to the information he has provided for supporters over the years. The guy deserves a bit more respect than some are according him. He has his beliefs about the matter, which includes a huge passion for what Cardiff City stands for, and I believe that he is 100% spot on with his concerns.

Aren't Man City's owner's massaging their ego(s) as well then? I can't see any of their fans complaining about the money that has been and is being spent there and if their owners suddenly decided that they needed to change their shirt colour and badge, their fans probably wouldn't give a monkey's, as long as they kept on finishing above their nearby rival!

You probably mean well here mate, but it's easy to talk about integrity and Premier League football in the same breath, when you already have it!

Overthemoon, if you trawl through some previous postings of mine you will find that me and the PL are not the dearest of friends. The PL is the worst 'sporting competition' in the world, it is fixed in favour of the big clubs and if financial fair play ever hits the PL then this fixing gets more biased. The Man City owners have certainly shown that they respect the history of the club and nothing has changed in terms of the colours or badge, yet they have been in residence for approximately the same time as the Malaysians at Cardiff City. In fact, if anything they are proud to inherit the history of Man City and certainly honour the past players. But for me, if QPR had owners that wanted to change the club beyond recognition I would be out and I suspect that I would speak for the majority of supporters at the club. We had one lunatic running the show, Briatore, he came in, spent some dosh and changed the badge, but at least with his attempt at a badge, which many supporters still do not like, he tried to incorporate previous incarnations and put in everything that QPR stood for, i.e. blue and white hoops etc. But he also wanted to create a 'boutique club', a club where the rich and famous would flock to, and if we, the average supporter wanted to be part of it, then we had to pay for it in terms of inflated season ticket/match day tickets, which did leave a lot of supporters alienated and priced out. Indeed there were plenty of protests against Briatore and on one occasion he could not get out the ground. I would rather watch an AFCQPR than a franchised attempt that has been stolen from the supporters. I would rather watch a team in blue and white hoops playing the likes of Hayes and Yeading rather than watch a team in all red/black/indigo/orange/pink playing under the guise of QPR FC. And I know that one day, with owners who treat it like their own plaything, they like children get bored with the toys they are playing with and toss the whole damn thing away.

What people are forgetting is that Cardiff City is not the owners of the club it is the supporters and it is the history, that is what makes Cardiff City FC what it is, nothing else, and what you have now is owners that are totally ignoring this. If the club went bust without them, then there would still be a Cardiff City, if your near neighbours Newport County, a club so much smaller than yourselves could get back to the Conference then Cardiff City would do exactly the same and beyond in a quarter of the time.

This is without doubt an ego trip on behalf of Tan. Extremely wealthy people do tend to come with ego's of a similar size and for him to do this is nothing more than massaging his own ego. Originally when the idea was put to bed a statement came out which amounted to nothing more than 'If I'm not allowed to be the striker and score all the goals then I am taking my ball home'. He then comes back and decides that he really doesn't give a monkey's about the feelings of the supporters (well most anyway, those whose integrity outweigh the desire for Premier League football). And Tan won't stop here either, once the new colours and badge have been 'bedded in' then will come the name change, Cardiff Dragons, make my words it will happen, and eventually he may even drop the name 'Cardiff'. He has certainly surrounded himself with 'yes' men as far as Cardiff is concerned and the excuse for the change of colours is pure bollox. As our own Malaysian owner recently said in an interview when talking about promoting QPR in Asia, it is all about the product and not the colour of the shirt, which we for one, will not be changing. All Tan has achieved is a division of the supporters and I for one cannot believe the grief that Annis has got on this board especially with regards to the information he has provided for supporters over the years. The guy deserves a bit more respect than some are according him. He has his beliefs about the matter, which includes a huge passion for what Cardiff City stands for, and I believe that he is 100% spot on with his concerns.

Aren't Man City's owner's massaging their ego(s) as well then? I can't see any of their fans complaining about the money that has been and is being spent there and if their owners suddenly decided that they needed to change their shirt colour and badge, their fans probably wouldn't give a monkey's, as long as they kept on finishing above their nearby rival!

You probably mean well here mate, but it's easy to talk about integrity and Premier League football in the same breath, when you already have it!

Overthemoon, if you trawl through some previous postings of mine you will find that me and the PL are not the dearest of friends. The PL is the worst 'sporting competition' in the world, it is fixed in favour of the big clubs and if financial fair play ever hits the PL then this fixing gets more biased. The Man City owners have certainly shown that they respect the history of the club and nothing has changed in terms of the colours or badge, yet they have been in residence for approximately the same time as the Malaysians at Cardiff City. In fact, if anything they are proud to inherit the history of Man City and certainly honour the past players. But for me, if QPR had owners that wanted to change the club beyond recognition I would be out and I suspect that I would speak for the majority of supporters at the club. We had one lunatic running the show, Briatore, he came in, spent some dosh and changed the badge, but at least with his attempt at a badge, which many supporters still do not like, he tried to incorporate previous incarnations and put in everything that QPR stood for, i.e. blue and white hoops etc. But he also wanted to create a 'boutique club', a club where the rich and famous would flock to, and if we, the average supporter wanted to be part of it, then we had to pay for it in terms of inflated season ticket/match day tickets, which did leave a lot of supporters alienated and priced out. Indeed there were plenty of protests against Briatore and on one occasion he could not get out the ground. I would rather watch an AFCQPR than a franchised attempt that has been stolen from the supporters. I would rather watch a team in blue and white hoops playing the likes of Hayes and Yeading rather than watch a team in all red/black/indigo/orange/pink playing under the guise of QPR FC. And I know that one day, with owners who treat it like their own plaything, they like children get bored with the toys they are playing with and toss the whole damn thing away.

What people are forgetting is that Cardiff City is not the owners of the club it is the supporters and it is the history, that is what makes Cardiff City FC what it is, nothing else, and what you have now is owners that are totally ignoring this. If the club went bust without them, then there would still be a Cardiff City, if your near neighbours Newport County, a club so much smaller than yourselves could get back to the Conference then Cardiff City would do exactly the same and beyond in a quarter of the time.

This is without doubt an ego trip on behalf of Tan. Extremely wealthy people do tend to come with ego's of a similar size and for him to do this is nothing more than massaging his own ego. Originally when the idea was put to bed a statement came out which amounted to nothing more than 'If I'm not allowed to be the striker and score all the goals then I am taking my ball home'. He then comes back and decides that he really doesn't give a monkey's about the feelings of the supporters (well most anyway, those whose integrity outweigh the desire for Premier League football). And Tan won't stop here either, once the new colours and badge have been 'bedded in' then will come the name change, Cardiff Dragons, make my words it will happen, and eventually he may even drop the name 'Cardiff'. He has certainly surrounded himself with 'yes' men as far as Cardiff is concerned and the excuse for the change of colours is pure bollox. As our own Malaysian owner recently said in an interview when talking about promoting QPR in Asia, it is all about the product and not the colour of the shirt, which we for one, will not be changing. All Tan has achieved is a division of the supporters and I for one cannot believe the grief that Annis has got on this board especially with regards to the information he has provided for supporters over the years. The guy deserves a bit more respect than some are according him. He has his beliefs about the matter, which includes a huge passion for what Cardiff City stands for, and I believe that he is 100% spot on with his concerns.

Aren't Man City's owner's massaging their ego(s) as well then? I can't see any of their fans complaining about the money that has been and is being spent there and if their owners suddenly decided that they needed to change their shirt colour and badge, their fans probably wouldn't give a monkey's, as long as they kept on finishing above their nearby rival!

You probably mean well here mate, but it's easy to talk about integrity and Premier League football in the same breath, when you already have it!

Overthemoon, if you trawl through some previous postings of mine you will find that me and the PL are not the dearest of friends. The PL is the worst 'sporting competition' in the world, it is fixed in favour of the big clubs and if financial fair play ever hits the PL then this fixing gets more biased. The Man City owners have certainly shown that they respect the history of the club and nothing has changed in terms of the colours or badge, yet they have been in residence for approximately the same time as the Malaysians at Cardiff City. In fact, if anything they are proud to inherit the history of Man City and certainly honour the past players. But for me, if QPR had owners that wanted to change the club beyond recognition I would be out and I suspect that I would speak for the majority of supporters at the club. We had one lunatic running the show, Briatore, he came in, spent some dosh and changed the badge, but at least with his attempt at a badge, which many supporters still do not like, he tried to incorporate previous incarnations and put in everything that QPR stood for, i.e. blue and white hoops etc. But he also wanted to create a 'boutique club', a club where the rich and famous would flock to, and if we, the average supporter wanted to be part of it, then we had to pay for it in terms of inflated season ticket/match day tickets, which did leave a lot of supporters alienated and priced out. Indeed there were plenty of protests against Briatore and on one occasion he could not get out the ground. I would rather watch an AFCQPR than a franchised attempt that has been stolen from the supporters. I would rather watch a team in blue and white hoops playing the likes of Hayes and Yeading rather than watch a team in all red/black/indigo/orange/pink playing under the guise of QPR FC. And I know that one day, with owners who treat it like their own plaything, they like children get bored with the toys they are playing with and toss the whole damn thing away.

What people are forgetting is that Cardiff City is not the owners of the club it is the supporters and it is the history, that is what makes Cardiff City FC what it is, nothing else, and what you have now is owners that are totally ignoring this. If the club went bust without them, then there would still be a Cardiff City, if your near neighbours Newport County, a club so much smaller than yourselves could get back to the Conference then Cardiff City would do exactly the same and beyond in a quarter of the time.

Well Said DW

Here it is on show boy'os!

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I think they both look good.

This is without doubt an ego trip on behalf of Tan. Extremely wealthy people do tend to come with ego's of a similar size and for him to do this is nothing more than massaging his own ego. Originally when the idea was put to bed a statement came out which amounted to nothing more than 'If I'm not allowed to be the striker and score all the goals then I am taking my ball home'. He then comes back and decides that he really doesn't give a monkey's about the feelings of the supporters (well most anyway, those whose integrity outweigh the desire for Premier League football). And Tan won't stop here either, once the new colours and badge have been 'bedded in' then will come the name change, Cardiff Dragons, make my words it will happen, and eventually he may even drop the name 'Cardiff'. He has certainly surrounded himself with 'yes' men as far as Cardiff is concerned and the excuse for the change of colours is pure bollox. As our own Malaysian owner recently said in an interview when talking about promoting QPR in Asia, it is all about the product and not the colour of the shirt, which we for one, will not be changing. All Tan has achieved is a division of the supporters and I for one cannot believe the grief that Annis has got on this board especially with regards to the information he has provided for supporters over the years. The guy deserves a bit more respect than some are according him. He has his beliefs about the matter, which includes a huge passion for what Cardiff City stands for, and I believe that he is 100% spot on with his concerns.

Aren't Man City's owner's massaging their ego(s) as well then? I can't see any of their fans complaining about the money that has been and is being spent there and if their owners suddenly decided that they needed to change their shirt colour and badge, their fans probably wouldn't give a monkey's, as long as they kept on finishing above their nearby rival!

You probably mean well here mate, but it's easy to talk about integrity and Premier League football in the same breath, when you already have it!

Overthemoon, if you trawl through some previous postings of mine you will find that me and the PL are not the dearest of friends. The PL is the worst 'sporting competition' in the world, it is fixed in favour of the big clubs and if financial fair play ever hits the PL then this fixing gets more biased. The Man City owners have certainly shown that they respect the history of the club and nothing has changed in terms of the colours or badge, yet they have been in residence for approximately the same time as the Malaysians at Cardiff City. In fact, if anything they are proud to inherit the history of Man City and certainly honour the past players. But for me, if QPR had owners that wanted to change the club beyond recognition I would be out and I suspect that I would speak for the majority of supporters at the club. We had one lunatic running the show, Briatore, he came in, spent some dosh and changed the badge, but at least with his attempt at a badge, which many supporters still do not like, he tried to incorporate previous incarnations and put in everything that QPR stood for, i.e. blue and white hoops etc. But he also wanted to create a 'boutique club', a club where the rich and famous would flock to, and if we, the average supporter wanted to be part of it, then we had to pay for it in terms of inflated season ticket/match day tickets, which did leave a lot of supporters alienated and priced out. Indeed there were plenty of protests against Briatore and on one occasion he could not get out the ground. I would rather watch an AFCQPR than a franchised attempt that has been stolen from the supporters. I would rather watch a team in blue and white hoops playing the likes of Hayes and Yeading rather than watch a team in all red/black/indigo/orange/pink playing under the guise of QPR FC. And I know that one day, with owners who treat it like their own plaything, they like children get bored with the toys they are playing with and toss the whole damn thing away.

What people are forgetting is that Cardiff City is not the owners of the club it is the supporters and it is the history, that is what makes Cardiff City FC what it is, nothing else, and what you have now is owners that are totally ignoring this. If the club went bust without them, then there would still be a Cardiff City, if your near neighbours Newport County, a club so much smaller than yourselves could get back to the Conference then Cardiff City would do exactly the same and beyond in a quarter of the time.

Sorry mate, I would have answered your post earlier, but I had to pop out to work!

I fully agree with what you say about the Premier League, but it's been like that for years and it's never going to change as far as I can see, as it'll always be the clubs with the biggest turnover and fan base that'll monopolise things!

The difference between us and Man City however, is that their owners can afford to throw as much money as is humanly possible at their play thing, for as long as their wells are full of oil! Our owner however, whilst still being a very wealthy man, appears to have found an affinity with Cardiff City, but certainly wouldn't and couldn't afford to throw the sort of money that Man City have thrown at it!

It's each to their own as far as I see it, I suppose it depends on what the fans get out of their match day experience and whether they are happy following their team in the lower leagues, which is their choice. However, I'd say that the vast majority of supporters the length and breadth of the country, would aspire to watch their team in the Premier League!

The simple fact of our quandry here though is this, had Vincent Tan gone ahead with the proposed £100 million investment, without deciding that we needed to change our badge and the colour of our shirts, our fans would have been doing the biggest jig since Man City won last season's Premier League, because the investment has come at a price however, our fans have now got to decide how to deal with the rebranding and whether they are prepared to accept it or not!

Personally, I do not think it's a dignity or integrity issue, but merely about whether you want to watch your team compete at the highest possible level! People keep on saying that VT has shafted us etc., but it's a matter of opinion and as he's pumped in £40.8 million to date and proposed to pump in a hell of a lot more, then I can't see that as being shafted! Taking over a club and asset stripping it like what's happened recently at Rangers, is what I would call getting shafted!

It's funny that you should mention Newport County as well, as I played against them when they were in the old Fourth Division, drawing 1-1 with them and only losing on penalties after extra time! I played at a decent level for a German club until I snapped my leg and having played at that level, I appreciate good football and whilst I'm personally happy with us competing at the top end of the Championship, would still watch us play in League One, I'm desperate to see my club being competetive in the Premier League!

Annis say in 10 years we were still playing in red. Would you buy a redshirt?

Danny,
NO & PLEASE REMEMBER I SAID THAT

Seeing as I've never seen you wearing a football shirt in my life
I think thats a banker for you Annis

I think both kits are generic pap anyway. That red thing should be burned!

From the start I planned on buying the blue away shirt, but having seen the shirt with that badge, its a no go for this yr.. Im sticking with last yrs shirt.... referring to Leeds change Im the 60's. Theres a slight difference. 1 it was 50 odd urs ago and 2 we had already been established as a club in blue for 40+ yrs prior to that.... Almost 100 yrs in blue... Who were Leeds prior to the 60,s. There wasnt that much history to change. These days cities and clubs are distiguised by there colours... Im not moking the investment, very happy, but the change to me is pointless...

We must boycott the Red kit and send a message to Malaysia we bleed Blue

We must boycott the Red kit and send a message to Malaysia we bleed Blue