Keith is saying that MM will only have £5 million to spend

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'.

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'. However I backed up with evidence what you said was 'pretty scandalous' its just a shame you think of my comments in that way.

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'. However I backed up with evidence what you said was 'pretty scandalous' its just a shame you think of my comments in that way.

It's the only way I can think of them if I haven't see otherwise don't you agree?

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'. However I backed up with evidence what you said was 'pretty scandalous' its just a shame you think of my comments in that way.

It's the only way I can think of them if I haven't see otherwise don't you agree?

I would hope now that you would consider Gwyns comments scandalous now as they have now been proven

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'.

lol seriously how many times do you think that excuse is going to work
how many times have I heard you say it

Proven to some who have seen it? Not to me. I'll judge him on what I see.
If I took what people said on here as fact id be in Whitchurch

Whose Keith

Whose Keith

Keith Morgan an accountant who has posted on here as "since**" I forget the year after his name.

"Glad they are not advertising exactly how much is available.
Keep it close to your chest and keep the player price sensible."

One newspaper said we had £25m to spend on players. Clearly wrong.

StT

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

Well don't believe him or anyone else because it's all guess work, we will find out by the time the season starts .....

Yes, a certain poster did regularly refer to me with a disgusting term, which I could not prove was a lie because he had deleted the thread.

However, I found original post cached on google the other day and posted it in a thread - certain people seemed to have nothing to say(makes a change) after the proof of lying was shown. I suppose silence says it all.

I thought this thread was about Keith talking about a certain £5m spending money...

Can all you children f**k off to your own thread please and call it the kids playground thread? cheers kids.

Anyway, from what I've worked out is we'll have between 12-15 million budget to work with, don't care what Keith thinks!

Yes, a certain poster did regularly refer to me with a disgusting term, which I could not prove was a lie because he had deleted the thread.

However, I found original post cached on google the other day and posted it in a thread - certain people seemed to have nothing to say(makes a change) after the proof of lying was shown. I suppose silence says it all.

I haven't deleted any of your threads ask the moderators to check and say who deleted it, as for you google search, been a bit selective about what was put back up have't we. Where are the ones saying you found it funny and yes when they are old enough to bleed they are old enough to breed, what about the backing up of that statement by little bluebird or whatever her name is, why not show those ones as well if you coming clean.
If anyone is attracting to others to see where your coming from on tis subject then its you, but as you say you don't find the under age sex thing as offensive.

It ain't going away when you keep bringing it up, let the public decide. But I don't think you'll get many to public-ally support your views.

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'. However I backed up with evidence what you said was 'pretty scandalous' its just a shame you think of my comments in that way.

It's the only way I can think of them if I haven't see otherwise don't you agree?

I would hope now that you would consider Gwyns comments scandalous now as they have now been proven

So you want me to apologise because all your nasty negative and damaging statements whilst posted under your name and log in, have actually been done by someone else.

heard that before "well your honour, I know its my compuetr, and i do live on my own and i was there at the time sin question, but someone else must have broken in without me noticing and looke at those naughty sites without me knowing" faair play Adam, that proves you are innocent of everything, Just hope the newspapers don't read all this crap after your previous encounters with them they'd have a field day.
What was it you said about learning your lesson, and who posted tha rubbish previously during your political period , wasn't in Ninian Blue who was a sort of employee friend, you just don't learn do you.

FFS is this what watching Jeremy Kyle is like?!?!?

I was told not to watch that cr*p so I have avoided it and now this forum is turning out like it.

For God's sake guys, be men and walk away - or get together privately and sort it out BECAUSE quite frankly the rest of us don't care.

It stops now or you BOTH lose all credibility

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'. However I backed up with evidence what you said was 'pretty scandalous' its just a shame you think of my comments in that way.

It's the only way I can think of them if I haven't see otherwise don't you agree?

I would hope now that you would consider Gwyns comments scandalous now as they have now been proven

So you want me to apologise because all your nasty negative and damaging statements whilst posted under your name and log in, have actually been done by someone else.

heard that before "well your honour, I know its my compuetr, and i do live on my own and i was there at the time sin question, but someone else must have broken in without me noticing and looke at those naughty sites without me knowing" faair play Adam, that proves you are innocent of everything, Just hope the newspapers don't read all this crap after your previous encounters with them they'd have a field day.
What was it you said about learning your lesson, and who posted tha rubbish previously during your political period , wasn't in Ninian Blue who was a sort of employee friend, you just don't learn do you.

The only nasty and damaging statements have come from you. Calling people kiddie fiddlers without any proof whatsoever!!!, mocking the disabled as well as others. I would say that you can't get much more damaging can you..?

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

When this account was set-up I wasn't the only person using it and people realised that after a while. So pending on the date and the time then I personally did not 'clearly lie'. However I backed up with evidence what you said was 'pretty scandalous' its just a shame you think of my comments in that way.

Dah dah dah dah dah dah Jackanory, Jackanory.

Whose Keith

Keith Morgan an accountant who has posted on here as "since**" I forget the year after his name.

Since62.

The majority of the time I agree with what Keith says however I believe the budget is between 10-15 million as 5 million is nowhere near enough to guarantee promotion which is what realistically the Malaysian's are expecting.

I haven't seen it so couldn't possible know.

My point about liar was that you complained about such comment yet clearly lied about not being midfield general or Adam brown?

That is a good point but IMO Angry Man is guiltier of Double Standards than anything else.

Using the word 'liar' to describe any kind of discrepancy is much abused on this MB; and any MB if we are going to being honest.

There can be all kinds of reasons for discrepancies other than trying to 'decisive' the true context of lying.

I sort of agree with Angry Man if an accusation of lying is made then support it with evidence. On the other hand if you are accused of lying then refute the allegation and the best way of doing that is again to producing evidence.

Personally I’m sick of good threads being ruined by the posters personalities getting dragged into the argument.

For example in this thread you either agree with Keith Morgan’s point of view or you don’t. Whatever Gwyn or AM have said in the past really doesn’t have any bearing.

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

As much as I despise them, precisely how much did the Jacks spend to get out of this division?

Was it far less than £5m?

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

Can I make it quite clear what I actually said , rather than any interpretaion of it.

The recent statement by VT said that £35m had been set aside to cover the cash requirements for next season , including a sum of £10m to pay Langston , leaving £25m

What I said to the press was that , if the same £20m of cash that was used to fund the club between May 2011 and now (the debt due to VT having gone up from £14.8m to £34.8m as stated by VT) was required to cover similar running costs , that would only leave £5m for a transfer kitty.

As Tim (Lawnmower) has pointed out in this thread, some of last year`s £20m may have been used to pay non-recurring items like old debt repayments . However , next year`s will also have to include repaying PMG whose £7m debt as at 31 May 2011 has to be paid off by May 2013.

So it is not clear exactly how much will be left for a transfer kitty. I didn`t claim it was , just did the calculation based on the information VT himself produced.

Keith

And what about the cash the club makes itself over the year as well? We still have an income regardless of expenditure?

And what about the cash the club makes itself over the year as well? We still have an income regardless of expenditure?

That was already taken into account in the £20m figure.

The net excess of spending over income meant that a £20m extra loan injection was needed between May 2011 and early June 2012.

When did Keith become CEO?

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

He's the only one that is then, because everywhere else I've seen it's quoted as between ten and fifteen million.

But let's leave it at five for extra negative affect, Adam can I just ask, have you been treated badly as a child by the club or are you this negative with everything in life, you are just so non plus it is just wearing.

The problem is, one day you may actually have something important to say, and people will just treat it with total disdain because of your track record on here, and in the press if truth be told, you are seen as a joke and you must be one of the few people that can't see it.

You can waste as much time and energy as you want to on here, but do you think your efforts will ever bring the walls tumbling down, what is your real agenda. For a club you rarely see, and that is the truth and you know it, why are you so bothered about what happens to our club.

zzzzz, Gwyn the lies which have been coming out of your mouth during the last few weeks would give Hitler more creditibility than you good self. Calling people kiddie flidders, accusing people of not being supporters for long even through they were members of your precious Rams, mocking people with disabilities and the list goes on. And why..? all people who you have mocked or tried to belittle have done is to stand up for what they believe in and keep the clubs colour and badge!!! Doesn't that tell you something..? Its you who is the joke, its you who needs to take a good look at yourself and its you who's slience on issues when you know you have been out of order really makes a statement in many peoples eyes.

Do us all a favour Gwyn, stop trying to be the centre of attention all the time and involve yourself in football debate. Oh and before I forget, I'd rather believe an accountant like Keith than people who are just turning rumours into fact[/quote]


Yet here YOU are turning a rumour into fact.

Had he posted that we might have 20m to spend, you'd never have started the thread.

I like Adam (offline anyway, online hes a prick), but accusing someone of trying to be centre of attention has to be the biggest case of double standards in the history of this board.

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

Can I make it quite clear what I actually said , rather than any interpretaion of it.

The recent statement by VT said that £35m had been set aside to cover the cash requirements for next season , including a sum of £10m to pay Langston , leaving £25m

What I said to the press was that , if the same £20m of cash that was used to fund the club between May 2011 and now (the debt due to VT having gone up from £14.8m to £34.8m as stated by VT) was required to cover similar running costs , that would only leave £5m for a transfer kitty.

As Tim (Lawnmower) has pointed out in this thread, some of last year`s £20m may have been used to pay non-recurring items like old debt repayments . However , next year`s will also have to include repaying PMG whose £7m debt as at 31 May 2011 has to be paid off by May 2013.

So it is not clear exactly how much will be left for a transfer kitty. I didn`t claim it was , just did the calculation based on the information VT himself produced.

Keith

Just out of interest I remember you telling me that the accounts which were published in Feb 2011 were complied in December 2010.

It was those accounts which first gave us the £14.8m loan figure. 2 days ago VT revealled the amount was now £34.8m an increase of £20m.

However, if the accounts were complied in December 2010 that £20m would be spread over an 18 month period (Dec 10 - June 12) and not 12 months?

Further if you divide 20/18 you get £1.1m which is the widley reported figure that the Malaysians are supposed to be subsidising the club to the tune of every month?

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

Can I make it quite clear what I actually said , rather than any interpretaion of it.

The recent statement by VT said that £35m had been set aside to cover the cash requirements for next season , including a sum of £10m to pay Langston , leaving £25m

What I said to the press was that , if the same £20m of cash that was used to fund the club between May 2011 and now (the debt due to VT having gone up from £14.8m to £34.8m as stated by VT) was required to cover similar running costs , that would only leave £5m for a transfer kitty.

As Tim (Lawnmower) has pointed out in this thread, some of last year`s £20m may have been used to pay non-recurring items like old debt repayments . However , next year`s will also have to include repaying PMG whose £7m debt as at 31 May 2011 has to be paid off by May 2013.

So it is not clear exactly how much will be left for a transfer kitty. I didn`t claim it was , just did the calculation based on the information VT himself produced.

Keith

Just out of interest I remember you telling me that the accounts which were published in Feb 2011 were complied in December 2010.

It was those accounts which first gave us the £14.8m loan figure. 2 days ago VT revealled the amount was now £34.8m an increase of £20m.

However, if the accounts were complied in December 2010 that £20m would be spread over an 18 month period (Dec 10 - June 12) and not 12 months?

Further if you divide 20/18 you get £1.1m which is the widley reported figure that the Malaysians are supposed to be subsidising the club to the tune of every month?

Football club accounts relate to 1st June - 31st May, not an 18 month period.

don't think thats enough to get out of this league IMO.

Can I make it quite clear what I actually said , rather than any interpretaion of it.

The recent statement by VT said that £35m had been set aside to cover the cash requirements for next season , including a sum of £10m to pay Langston , leaving £25m

What I said to the press was that , if the same £20m of cash that was used to fund the club between May 2011 and now (the debt due to VT having gone up from £14.8m to £34.8m as stated by VT) was required to cover similar running costs , that would only leave £5m for a transfer kitty.

As Tim (Lawnmower) has pointed out in this thread, some of last year`s £20m may have been used to pay non-recurring items like old debt repayments . However , next year`s will also have to include repaying PMG whose £7m debt as at 31 May 2011 has to be paid off by May 2013.

So it is not clear exactly how much will be left for a transfer kitty. I didn`t claim it was , just did the calculation based on the information VT himself produced.

Keith

Just out of interest I remember you telling me that the accounts which were published in Feb 2011 were complied in December 2010.

It was those accounts which first gave us the £14.8m loan figure. 2 days ago VT revealled the amount was now £34.8m an increase of £20m.

However, if the accounts were complied in December 2010 that £20m would be spread over an 18 month period (Dec 10 - June 12) and not 12 months?

Further if you divide 20/18 you get £1.1m which is the widley reported figure that the Malaysians are supposed to be subsidising the club to the tune of every month?

Tony

I have never said any such thing. It was YOU who posted these incorrect dates and the 18 month period rubbish on another post on this board , which will be clearly there for anyone to see (unless of course the editors and deleters have been out in force again).

How the hell can figures for Feb 2011 (not sure where you get that date from anyway as the figures are made up to 31 May each year) be compiled (which is what I think you meant by "complied") 2 months before the period actually ends?.That`s why I made the reference to Mystic Meg in my first response to you!

As I pointed out in response to your other post in the other thread , the 31 May 2011 figures were signed off as approved in December 2011 and published in Feb 2012. But the sign off and publication dates are irrelevant to your argument anyway. The accounts were for the period to the end of May 2011 and showed loans from VT of £14.8m. By early June 2012 VT himself says this has gone up to £34.8m , so quite clearly an increase of £20m over 12 months. Why do you think end May 2011 to early June 2012 is 18 months?

Yet here YOU are turning a rumour into fact.

Had he posted that we might have 20m to spend, you'd never have started the thread.

Says tafyplastic the guy who sucked the malaysians off for the last two years, only for a rebrand to change his mind now he hates them