Does Anyone Know Why

We changed because we quickly realised that chocolate and orange was f*cking disgusting.
If we happened to change to salmon pink with Gooseberry trim and called ourselves the Numptyfucks then we would celebrate that too.
The reasons are irrelevant, it is our HISTORY and our PASSION that we have always known and loved.

The story (or most common thoery at least) behind the bluebird name isn't particularly exciting, but once you have chanted it on the terraces over thousands of games, it doesnt matter. What matters is that Bluebirds means Cardiff City and Cardiff City means Love.

So how would you show appreciation for VT, for everything he has done todate and everything he intends to do in the future.

Firstly, I understand that appreciation is due as he has essentially saved our football club, but the man has publicly admitted that he is primarily in this for the money. His reward will come with a lot of zeros on the end.
Which isn't necersarilly a bad thing, if VT makes a lot of money it means that we have achieved promotion and then some, on the pitch.

Everything he has done to date is not for me, or you, to enjoy a more successful club. However , as a byproduct of his continued investment, we very well may achieve successes on the pitch, which in turn will provide us with an altogether more enjoyable experience.

So basically, I will not be making any personal gestures to the man, although I appreciate everything he has financially done for us. Whatever he makes out of us, he makes. He's a businessman.

I just want to see great football and success on the pitch.

Preferably in blue.

Does anyone know why some people are so attached to last seasons badge which has only been used for 19 seasons of the 103 year history?

As far as I am aware it didnt come on the shirt until 1988 and wasnt used between 2003-2008, yet some supporters are up in arms about us losing it because of our history? Doesn't seem like it was part of our history for long.

I haven't seen many pledge thier loyalty purely to that specific badge. What, I believe, the pro-blue brigade are focusing on is that, since we have had a badge, the focal point has always been the Bluebird. We have had many, many different badge changes over the years, as has any club, so nothing is new there, but the BlueBird was always the constant throughout.

While the bluebird is obviously still there on the new crest, it seems to have taken a back seat to the dragon.

Isn't the Marquessate of Bute your avatar Castleblue? Good thread by the way

I think the point you're trying to make is that the circumstances COULD be seen as similar in some ways?

Yes it is, the Avatar that is, and do you think there is anything on that crest that could be used to show the clubs apprecitation for the fantastic gift of the land Ninian Park was built on.

Many think that our Blue shirts relate to "The Bluebird" play which was on stage at the New Theatre in April 1911 but Cardiff City introduced the Blue and White playing strip two years earlier around the time the 3rd Marquis of Bute offered the parcel of wasteland on which Ninian Park was built.

Is this a coincidence or does it demonstrate our club has a tradition of showing gratitude and appreciation to major financial benefactors. If the answer to that question is yes then how do you think the club and fans from 1910 would look to thank VT for his financial support.

So what you are hinting at Gray is we changed our colours in 1909 as a show of apprication to a benefactor who gave the club something it couldn't possibly afford at the time?

Interesting so VT's change to Red is the second rebranding in the history of CCFC Good spot

BTW the Rugby team of Cardiff have also always played in Blue surely there has to be a connection or reason for the Blue?

I thought there may be some reason why both clubs have Blue playing strips Tony but as Cardiff Rugby club originally played in black with a Skull and Crossbones on the jersey and only changed after complaints from parents I don't think so. Cardiff RFC changed to Black and Blue stripes to answer complaints from supporters.

Cardiff City changed colours at the same time they were offered land to build their new stadium by the estates of Bute and as the club renamed the stadium in appreciation of the financial support of Lord Ninian Critchton-Stuart, is it really to far a jump to consider the club changed colours, rebranded, as a show of appreciation or gratitude to the Marquis of Bute.

Look at the family crest and in particular the Blue & White check.

Many talk about this latest rebranding as ripping the heart out of the club and ignoring our history and traditions, but does it as it appears to me our tradition is to show appreciation by gestures like renaming the stadium or changing colours.

Are those that assert our identity is being lost in reality only talking about how they personally identify with the club? Nothing wrong with that except that as you cannot please all of the people all of the time what's best for the majority is of greater importance.

VT deserves better than some of the vitriolic comments being posted at the moment and given the level of financial support he has given the club surely he deserves some appreciation and gratitude.

Even if that takes the form of a rebranding of club colours.

Does anyone know why some people are so attached to last seasons badge which has only been used for 19 seasons of the 103 year history?

As far as I am aware it didnt come on the shirt until 1988 and wasnt used between 2003-2008, yet some supporters are up in arms about us losing it because of our history? Doesn't seem like it was part of our history for long.

I haven't seen many pledge thier loyalty purely to that specific badge. What, I believe, the pro-blue brigade are focusing on is that, since we have had a badge, the focal point has always been the Bluebird. We have had many, many different badge changes over the years, as has any club, so nothing is new there, but the BlueBird was always the constant throughout.

While the word bluebird is obviously still there on the new crest, it seems to have taken a back seat to the dragon.

I'm going to give my age away here because when I first started watch Cardiff there wasn't even a club badge.

Just the Bluebird embroidered on the shirt.

Good post CastleBlue.

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

Castleblue, i totally agree with your theory, after all, Lord Ninian Crichton-Stuart, younger son of the 3rd Marquess of Bute, was our original benefactor.

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

This is one of the best threads I've ever seen on here - this should be put at the top of the page as an announcment, as it goes to show that rather than tearing up our history, we are in fact being true to our history and carrying on a noble tradition started in 1908 of changing colours when a significant benefactor is awarded for his actions towrads us.

It's true that VT may be doing it for a potential return, but its still a risk for him, and he could lose a lot of his money.

The best thread I've ever read on here

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Very informative, tha!.

So the answer isn't that in 1908 the new Cardiff City FC was offered a cheap set of 'knock off' blue and white kit off the back of a horse and cart?

As it happens I agree with your main point. I don't mind much what colours Cardiff City play in when they run out at Vincent Park.

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

This is one of the best threads I've ever seen on here - this should be put at the top of the page as an announcment, as it goes to show that rather than tearing up our history, we are in fact being true to our history and carrying on a noble tradition started in 1908 of changing colours when a significant benefactor is awarded for his actions towrads us.

It's true that VT may be doing it for a potential return, but its still a risk for him, and he could lose a lot of his money.

The best thread I've ever read on here

Thank you that's very much appreciated.

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Very informative, tha!.

So the answer isn't that in 1908 the new Cardiff City FC was offered a cheap set of 'knock off' blue and white kit off the back of a horse and cart?

As it happens I agree with your main point. I don't mind much what colours Cardiff City play in when they run out at Vincent Park.

Excuse me Jon PARC Y VINNY please.

He was a property developer, building restoration expert, wasn't he also the mayor of cardiff, and has very strong links in Scotland too. Think he expanded the work he did here up north.

Restored cardiff castle and castle coch.

He died young in 1900 but still unsure if the blue & white links?

Was it simply because it was the start of a new era, as we are seeing today.....?

Craig the Marquess of Bute is a title in the peerage of Great Britain which can be traced back to the 14th century. An hereditary peerage so the line continues today. The estates of the marquessate of Bute contains shit loads of land and back in 1908 the estates of Bute offered Cardiff a parcel of land on which Ninian Park was built.

We changed colours the same year as the estates of Bute gave the land for the new stadium and given the clear use of Blue and White on the crest of the marquessate of Bute for me it's no coincidence we changed our colours to Blue and White.

Call it a renbranding or whatever it shows that our club has in the past changed colours in apprecaiation of a major financial benefactor.

Why not do the same now that's the question I'm asking.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Very informative, tha!.

So the answer isn't that in 1908 the new Cardiff City FC was offered a cheap set of 'knock off' blue and white kit off the back of a horse and cart?

As it happens I agree with your main point. I don't mind much what colours Cardiff City play in when they run out at Vincent Park.

Excuse me Jon PARC Y VINNY please.

but why should we change colours because VT is putting in 100million
after all he has only put in 40 million so far.

but why should we change colours because VT is putting in 100million
after all he has only put in 40 million so far.

Because we have a tradition of thanking our major financial backers.

Does anyone know why some people are so attached to last seasons badge which has only been used for 19 seasons of the 103 year history?

As far as I am aware it didnt come on the shirt until 1988 and wasnt used between 2003-2008, yet some supporters are up in arms about us losing it because of our history? Doesn't seem like it was part of our history for long.

I haven't seen many pledge thier loyalty purely to that specific badge. What, I believe, the pro-blue brigade are focusing on is that, since we have had a badge, the focal point has always been the Bluebird. We have had many, many different badge changes over the years, as has any club, so nothing is new there, but the BlueBird was always the constant throughout.

While the bluebird is obviously still there on the new crest, it seems to have taken a back seat to the dragon.

I cant believe you had to explain that.

my reply was tongue in cheek
excellent detective work

my reply was tongue in cheek
excellent detective work

I know mate just replying so others could see the obvious.

Excuse me Jon PARC Y VINNY please.