More Blue Seats Than Red Shirts With a 10K Crowd

Out of interest Tony, where do you sit on the scale.

Not sure what you mean by scale but I have stated that my preference would be Blue, but I accept Red because of the whole package which comes with it.

I have seen all kinds of theories thrown around by the anti-red but I can't see Administration or the prospect of playing Russian roulette with a ruthless Billionaire as being the answer to our problems.

This is where your argument falls down Tony. Administration has been one of the threats used to convince us to go red. The Malaysians have never made such threats and this was confirmed today in the statement put out by Alan Whiteley. So you are wrong to suggest that we would be playing Russian roulette. In the event that we turned down the rebranding, the Malaysians would have simply brought in more investors. It is scaremongering such as this that has wrongly convinced some fans into a blind panic when considering the rebranding argument.

Because I bet there were queues of investors waiting to put their money into a business some seventy million pound in debt and losing one and a half million a month, sounds a nailed on sure win investment.

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track

Yes but this seems to have been wrongly interpreted as the Malaysians pulling out and even you have thought this Gwyn. This threat of pulling out was never an option discussed by the Malaysians and was confirmed today by Alan Whitely.The Malaysians would have simply encouraged more investors.

For the last time, seriously getting board of asking the same question a not one anti-red as answered.

Show me a sustainable and realistic business plan to support this club financially should you get your wish, and the Malaysians walk?? Please no bull shit, just simple Facts and figures and I'm more than happy to assist and sign up??

Everyone is welcome to join in??

In fairness Caerdydd_78 one anti-red did post a solution yesterday which seemed to be universally accepted by them. Basically we sold all our best players and then entered Admin. With no decent team (or manager) we followed that up with Relegation to League 1 (all on the assumption that we exit admin which would be highly unlikely considering our debts and how much is mortgaged)

The above was unbelievably considered the right way of doing things by the so called 'real' fans as we would go out of existance wearing Blue shirts.

They need to speak to some Rangers,Pompy and Darlinton fans before they come out with that crap.

Seriously it's like trying to teach your parents how to smack your own ass.

For the last time, seriously getting board of asking the same question a not one anti-red as answered.

Show me a sustainable and realistic business plan to support this club financially should you get your wish, and the Malaysians walk?? Please no bull shit, just simple Facts and figures and I'm more than happy to assist and sign up??

Everyone is welcome to join in??

In fairness Caerdydd_78 one anti-red did post a solution yesterday which seemed to be universally accepted by them. Basically we sold all our best players and then entered Admin. With no decent team (or manager) we followed that up with Relegation to League 1 (all on the assumption that we exit admin which would be highly unlikely considering our debts and how much is mortgaged)

The above was unbelievably considered the right way of doing things by the so called 'real' fans as we would go out of existance wearing Blue shirts.

They need to speak to some Rangers,Pompy and Darlinton fans before they come out with that crap.

Seriously it's like trying to teach your parents how to smack your own ass.

The threat of the Malaysians pulling out was never an option that they discussed and this fact was confirmed today by Alan Whitely.The Malaysians would have simply encouraged more investors so all this talk of administration and playing in lower leagues was not based on any factual evidence.

At least you wont be there Jack tw*t

For the last time, seriously getting board of asking the same question a not one anti-red as answered.

Show me a sustainable and realistic business plan to support this club financially should you get your wish, and the Malaysians walk?? Please no bull shit, just simple Facts and figures and I'm more than happy to assist and sign up??

Everyone is welcome to join in??

In fairness Caerdydd_78 one anti-red did post a solution yesterday which seemed to be universally accepted by them. Basically we sold all our best players and then entered Admin. With no decent team (or manager) we followed that up with Relegation to League 1 (all on the assumption that we exit admin which would be highly unlikely considering our debts and how much is mortgaged)

The above was unbelievably considered the right way of doing things by the so called 'real' fans as we would go out of existance wearing Blue shirts.

They need to speak to some Rangers,Pompy and Darlinton fans before they come out with that crap.

Seriously it's like trying to teach your parents how to smack your own ass.

The threat of the Malaysians pulling out was never an option that they discussed and this fact was confirmed today by Alan Whitely.The Malaysians would have simply encouraged more investors so all this talk of administration and playing in lower leagues was not based on any factual evidence.

Rangers have been in admin for almost 6 months yet they still cannot find a buyer for a club known throughout the world of football and guarantee champions league football every year.

We're a club in the championship, who ain't won a recognised trophy since 1927, great. Few welsh cups on the way but not like an FA cup or Carling Cup.

We would be in shit creak, and deep down most fans know this.

I for one am grateful that the Malaysians acted quickly to prevent such a disaster happening to our club, all for the cost of what wearing red and rebranding the badge??

Come on.

For the last time, seriously getting board of asking the same question a not one anti-red as answered.

Show me a sustainable and realistic business plan to support this club financially should you get your wish, and the Malaysians walk?? Please no bull shit, just simple Facts and figures and I'm more than happy to assist and sign up??

Everyone is welcome to join in??

In fairness Caerdydd_78 one anti-red did post a solution yesterday which seemed to be universally accepted by them. Basically we sold all our best players and then entered Admin. With no decent team (or manager) we followed that up with Relegation to League 1 (all on the assumption that we exit admin which would be highly unlikely considering our debts and how much is mortgaged)

The above was unbelievably considered the right way of doing things by the so called 'real' fans as we would go out of existance wearing Blue shirts.

They need to speak to some Rangers,Pompy and Darlinton fans before they come out with that crap.

Seriously it's like trying to teach your parents how to smack your own ass.

The threat of the Malaysians pulling out was never an option that they discussed and this fact was confirmed today by Alan Whitely.The Malaysians would have simply encouraged more investors so all this talk of administration and playing in lower leagues was not based on any factual evidence.

Rangers have been in admin for almost 6 months yet they still cannot find a buyer for a club known throughout the world of football and guarantee champions league football every year.

We're a club in the championship, who ain't won a recognised trophy since 1927, great. Few welsh cups on the way but not like an FA cup or Carling Cup.

We would be in shit creak, and deep down most fans know this.

I for one am grateful that the Malaysians acted quickly to prevent such a disaster happening to our club, all for the cost of what wearing red and rebranding the badge??

Come on.

Alan Whitely has stated that the Malaysians were not considering pulling out.I would rather believe him unless you can provide me the proof that the Mlaysians are lying again.

Alan Whitely has stated that the Malaysians were not considering pulling out.I would rather believe him unless you can provide me the proof that the Mlaysians are lying again. [/quote]

Read between the lines, OK they may not have pulled out. We may have been blue but like the titanic we would have gone down eventually.

Were heading towards a new financial era in football and simply without the changes being made we would have never survived without the threat of admin, relegation and basically wiping out the past 10 years at the club.

Running a successful championship club costs millions, people don't realise the Championship is the 3rd most watch and supported league in world football?? it costs money to sustain this level of football.

However, buy looking and planning ahead they can achieve this with some changes that have to be accepted in order to move forward.

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track

Wrong Gwynn the vast majority weren't asked, why didn't they have a ballot of all season ticket holders if they are so confident the majority are for red

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track [/quote]
Wrong Gwynn the vast majority weren't asked, why didn't they have a ballot of all season ticket holders if they are so confident the majority are for red[/quote]

Ballot?? the info was leaked before anything was arranged, you have to agree that there was very little time to put anything into place to satisfy all fans.

The new kits, badge, training ground and the sheer volume of info would have taken months to collate and agree, this was being planned as early as last year.

Do you honestly think a guy of Tan's background would have made such radical changes without the correct boxes being ticked?? Come on I'm sure you have to understand the position the Malaysians and the club was put into following the leak.

If tan is so clever how come he passed 'that' badge.

Its amateur. Not the slick rebranding you would expect from this uber proffesional.

If he was on the apprentice he would be fired as project manager for allowing such nonsense.

If tan is so clever how come he passed 'that' badge.

Its amateur. Not the slick rebranding you would expect from this uber proffesional.

If he was on the apprentice he would be fired as project manager for allowing such nonsense.

Seriously, i think that any badge would have been slated purely because of the history behind the current one, I think the badge will be amended over the next few years, anyway.

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track

Wrong Gwynn the vast majority weren't asked, why didn't they have a ballot of all season ticket holders if they are so confident the majority are for red[/quote]

Ballot?? the info was leaked before anything was arranged, you have to agree that there was very little time to put anything into place to satisfy all fans.

The new kits, badge, training ground and the sheer volume of info would have taken months to collate and agree, this was being planned as early as last year.

Do you honestly think a guy of Tan's background would have made such radical changes without the correct boxes being ticked?? Come on I'm sure you have to understand the position the Malaysians and the club was put into following the leak.[/quote]
The kits were already registered with the league there wasn't ever going to be any consultation with supporters, time never came into it, they only take notice of polls when they are happy with the results

If tan is so clever how come he passed 'that' badge.

Its amateur. Not the slick rebranding you would expect from this uber proffesional.

If he was on the apprentice he would be fired as project manager for allowing such nonsense.

Seriously, i think that any badge would have been slated purely because of the history behind the current one, I think the badge will be amended over the next few years, anyway.

You may be right but that doesnt change the fact it is abysmal and it doesnt answer any if my points.

If hes such an expert on global rebranding, knowing the can of worms it was opening up how did he allow such an abysmal brand logo go live?

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track

Wrong Gwynn the vast majority weren't asked, why didn't they have a ballot of all season ticket holders if they are so confident the majority are for red

Ballot?? the info was leaked before anything was arranged, you have to agree that there was very little time to put anything into place to satisfy all fans.

The new kits, badge, training ground and the sheer volume of info would have taken months to collate and agree, this was being planned as early as last year.

Do you honestly think a guy of Tan's background would have made such radical changes without the correct boxes being ticked?? Come on I'm sure you have to understand the position the Malaysians and the club was put into following the leak.[/quote]
The kits were already registered with the league there wasn't ever going to be any consultation with supporters, time never came into it, they only take notice of polls when they are happy with the results[/quote]

Kits registered with the league??? never heard such crap in my life.

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track

I think the vast majority were blackmailed into accepting otherwise there would be no club. I don't think hand on heart anyone wants this change.

You missed the next line Billy where it says, we will now reassess the situation, which surely is what they did, and because the vast majority showed they were willing to accept the red shirt, the reassessment got things back on track

I think the vast majority were blackmailed into accepting otherwise there would be no club. I don't think hand on heart anyone wants this change.

Correct Billy!

They will not bend though.

Protests in my opinion will be a waste of time and futile.

caerdydd 78 please see point 16 in section F

http://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/ ... es-on-kits

caerdydd 78 please see point 16 in section F

http://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/ ... es-on-kits

Ok, two issues with this

1) These are Premier League rules, does not mention Football League Clubs.

2) The paragraph below shows that the kits have to be submitted 4 weeks prior to the start of the league season.

16. Not later than 4 weeks before the commencement of each Season each Club shall register its Strips by submitting to the Secretary Form 9 together with samples of its home Strip, away Strip and goalkeeper’s Strip complying with these Rules and a brief written description of each and the Secretary having entered the descriptions in a register will cause the same to be printed in the handbook of the League.

Its June, we are approx 9 weeks away from starting.

Totally irrelevant conebacks you said youd "never heard such crap" about registering kits.

You try to put others down making out you are the font of all knowledge but you know jack shit yourself.

Totally irrelevant conebacks you said youd "never heard such crap" about registering kits.

You try to put others down making out you are the font of all knowledge but you know jack shit yourself.

You tried to direct me to a website with specific rules again the Malaysians having enough time to promote the kit changes correctly.

I simply showed you two reasons why the info you tried to pass off as correct, was in-fact a load of rubbish.

Please don't try and pass of crap like that.

Read it first.

Alan Whitely has stated that the Malaysians were not considering pulling out.I would rather believe him unless you can provide me the proof that the Mlaysians are lying again.

Read between the lines, OK they may not have pulled out. We may have been blue but like the titanic we would have gone down eventually.

Were heading towards a new financial era in football and simply without the changes being made we would have never survived without the threat of admin, relegation and basically wiping out the past 10 years at the club.

Running a successful championship club costs millions, people don't realise the Championship is the 3rd most watch and supported league in world football?? it costs money to sustain this level of football.

However, buy looking and planning ahead they can achieve this with some changes that have to be accepted in order to move forward.[/quote]
So you finally admit that the Malaysians were not going to pull out after all yet you still paint your doomsday scenarios which you have absolutely no evidence to support. Finally now that Alan has publicly stated that the Malaysians never had any plans to walk away we must now look at why some fans leaders and fans were trying to convince us to accept the rebranding in the first place.

4 weeks is the latest, doesnt say you cannot submit them 9,10,11 weeks in advance.

Timings are irrelevant anyway I linked it in responsr to your arrogant "never heard such crap in all your life" sneet that implied such rules didnt even exist.

You are just a know all who knows f**k all.

4 weeks is the latest, doesnt say you cannot submit them 9,10,11 weeks in advance.

Timings are irrelevant anyway I linked it in responsr to your arrogant "never heard such crap in all your life" sneet that implied such rules didnt even exist.

You are just a know all who knows f**k all.

Alan Whitely has stated that the Malaysians were not considering pulling out.I would rather believe him unless you can provide me the proof that the Mlaysians are lying again.

Read between the lines, OK they may not have pulled out. We may have been blue but like the titanic we would have gone down eventually.

Were heading towards a new financial era in football and simply without the changes being made we would have never survived without the threat of admin, relegation and basically wiping out the past 10 years at the club.

Running a successful championship club costs millions, people don't realise the Championship is the 3rd most watch and supported league in world football?? it costs money to sustain this level of football.

However, buy looking and planning ahead they can achieve this with some changes that have to be accepted in order to move forward.

So you finally admit that the Malaysians were not going to pull out after all yet you still paint your doomsday scenarios which you have absolutely no evidence to support. Finally now that Alan has publicly stated that the Malaysians never had any plans to walk away we must now look at why some fans leaders and fans were trying to convince us to accept the rebranding in the first place. [/quote]

I don't have to admit anything, use your suede on this one.

If they pulled out, they would have needed investment elsewhere, we are in a global financial crisis, even a billionaires like Tan will not throw money at a sinking ship.

We would have been sold to the nearest bidder who then may have put us in admin, and caused some major changes.

Tan will not put us into admin, do you want to know why. He has personally invested over £40 million into our club without taking a penny out.

By making simple changes he is investing a further £100million, when the financial fair play rules come into play in 2013/2014 most clubs would dream of an investment like we just signed up for.

I personally think they have underwritten our future as a club, and prevented something that has been hanging over this club for the past 5-10 years.

So for that I thank them.