Fans that appose the change are in a small minority

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Why are you in favour of the change to red? Is it because (like many) you don't see an alternative?

Yes

There we go then. Someone's not really 'in favour' of something if that's the only choice they think they've got.

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Lets simplify this as you obviosuly don't get it as every post I have seen from you is pretty much the same.

If someone held a gun to your head and asked whether you wanted them to pull the trigger or not what would you say?

Exactly the same thing tbh it was never a straightforward yes / no issue and you well know it.

Is this for real ?

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Don't start talking about cutting noses off, it may not end there!

Where will it end then ?

Grooaannnn!

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Don't start talking about cutting noses off, it may not end there!

Where will it end then ?

Grooaannnn!

It won't end with me groaning !

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Don't start talking about cutting noses off, it may not end there!

Where will it end then ?

change of name
relocation

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Lets simplify this as you obviosuly don't get it as every post I have seen from you is pretty much the same.

If someone held a gun to your head and asked whether you wanted them to pull the trigger or not what would you say?

Exactly the same thing tbh it was never a straightforward yes / no issue and you well know it.

I don't 'well know' at all. What has guns to heads got to do with it for FFS?

Our club is in deep shite, indeed the people you now accuse of holding a gun to your head saved this club from liquidation only 2 years ago. You cannot make up some conspiercy theory that they have run the club into the ground so that they can 'do what they want' because the club was going into the ground wether VT/TG were here or not.

The £1m loss p/m was going on as long ago as 2009 and led to Ridsdale pulling the golden ticket scam (remember those days?)

Sorry but if you are deluded enough to believe that we have any kind of bargining position then go ahead and show us what you can do.

When we change back to blue in a few seasons time established in the premiership will the fans that turned their back on the club and start going again be known as glory hunters?

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Why are you in favour of the change to red? Is it because (like many) you don't see an alternative?

Yes

There we go then. Someone's not really 'in favour' of something if that's the only choice they think they've got.

That is just so poor Owain. We have no alternative that is why I want the rebranding to save the club and even if I am a reluctant supporter, I am far more reluctant on the alternative which is Admin and untold damage to my club.

That is just so poor Owain. We have no alternative that is why I want the rebranding to save the club and even if I am a reluctant supporter, I am far more reluctant on the alternative which is Admin and untold damage to my club.

Well I'm obviously not going to get anywhere am i!

What I'm saying is admin was never the alternative. VT wouldn't have pulled out if we didn't change our badge/shirts this season, especially with £40m owing to him. They're here for the long haul, and having a premiership football club is how he'll make the investment worthwhile (as I'm sure you've mentioned on several occasions in the past)

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Lets simplify this as you obviosuly don't get it as every post I have seen from you is pretty much the same.

If someone held a gun to your head and asked whether you wanted them to pull the trigger or not what would you say?

Exactly the same thing tbh it was never a straightforward yes / no issue and you well know it.

I don't 'well know' at all. What has guns to heads got to do with it for FFS?

Our club is in deep shite, indeed the people you now accuse of holding a gun to your head saved this club from liquidation only 2 years ago. You cannot make up some conspiercy theory that they have run the club into the ground so that they can 'do what they want' because the club was going into the ground wether VT/TG were here or not.

The £1m loss p/m was going on as long ago as 2009 and led to Ridsdale pulling the golden ticket scam (remember those days?)

Sorry but if you are deluded enough to believe that we have any kind of bargining position then go ahead and show us what you can do.

I didn't mention the club finances , I don't understand them and never really want to thanks.

The whole point of the original post in this thread was that people who oppose this change are in the minority which i disagree with. Some are prepared to accept it albeit reluctantly but they still oppose it.

Without the financial situation and the threat of administration there is no way in the world anyone would have agreed with this and we would still be playing in blue.

the whole thing is a scam...

not given enough choices when u do a poll, telling the people we will fold if we dont get red and the dragon etc...

alternatives to all this:
- stay blue
- keep the crest
- find new owners
- find new outside investment

like Whiteley stated:
quote: "At no point did they threaten to end their connection to this football club. Certainly, they would have looked at plans again and taken different decisions, maybe looked at new external investment or looked to sell the club on to somebody else."

fine, do it!!!