So they lied then

Wasn't the supporters club poll something like 93% in favour of the changes? That is a massive amount. Some here are talking as if it was a rough split, it wasn't. Almost every single person who voted was on side. Even if it was out, it would have had to have been out by a massive amount to swing towards staying blue. Now you could argue that not everyone got to vote, but all the poles point to changing so it's fair to say that if every single person voted then it would still mean the same thing - Change to red and take the money!

Whatever subject people vote on the losing side can always point to this and that. How many votes did David Cameron get to be pm? Answer is not many, but he did get more than the other guy, so he got the job. Simple really.

Fact is if they did do a season ticket holder pole and it still pointed to red (as I'm certain it would do) blue people would then say something like non-season ticket holders should have been asked. Then if they asked people on the gates as they came in, and it still pointed to red (again I'm certain it would do) blue people would accuse the stewards of cheating the figures etc.

At the end of the day, the change to red has now got massive support over staying blue, get over it. The initial reaction was bad because of the way in which it leaked out (by someone with his own agenda) and it was a massive shock at the time. People have had time now to digest things and their thoughts have warmed towards changing to red.

I respect both sides and all are entitled to their opinion and they are also entitled to change their opinion. That doesn't make them any less of a supporter to the next guy. The only thing I'll say on the subject is the club has never won a single thing with the Bluebird on the shirt. It has though won the FA Cup and been the force to reckon with in the top flight with a Dragon on there instead.

I agree with this, I havent seen one poll against the re branding to be honest.

If im honest I expected it to still go ahead all be it this or next season.

hang on Polo, the majority of fans who've voted in polls have said they want the changes. Surely, they've just taken this on board?

Unless it was an election of all season ticket holders then them, polls dont mean shit to me.

Anyway, how can you vote on something whilst still not knowing the reasons???

Exactly. For instance, all polls/surveys that Media Wales have been conducting have concluded that the majority of fans are in favour of these changes when it's probably the other way around. The same goes for news programmes etc. such as Wales Today who once more said in their lunchtime bulletin today that the plans were scrapped previously because of opposition from 'some' fans. More like all of them!

So what about the Supporter's Club poll then, where 48% said they were in full favour of the proposals and only 7% voted in favour of not budging in any way?

All I'm saying is that all these surveys and polls probably aren't a true reflection of the whole fanbase. Or maybe it's just me that simply can't believe that some have gone for it so easily.

Gone back on their word.

Dissapointing, I really felt TG was different but it seems hes just the same as all the other parasites we have had down the years.

Yes Tg has lied

hang on Polo, the majority of fans who've voted in polls have said they want the changes. Surely, they've just taken this on board?

Unless it was an election of all season ticket holders then them, polls dont mean shit to me.

Anyway, how can you vote on something whilst still not knowing the reasons???

Exactly. For instance, all polls/surveys that Media Wales have been conducting have concluded that the majority of fans are in favour of these changes when it's probably the other way around. The same goes for news programmes etc. such as Wales Today who once more said in their lunchtime bulletin today that the plans were scrapped previously because of opposition from 'some' fans. More like all of them!

That's been proven to be not true.

OK, I've over exaggerated that, but I simply can't believe that so many are jumping for joy at this news.

Gone back on their word.

Dissapointing, I really felt TG was different but it seems hes just the same as all the other parasites we have had down the years.

Yes Tg has lied

Or is TG merely a spokesman for Vincent Tan? It seems to me that Tan is the real driving force behind all this.

hang on Polo, the majority of fans who've voted in polls have said they want the changes. Surely, they've just taken this on board?

Unless it was an election of all season ticket holders then them, polls dont mean shit to me.

Anyway, how can you vote on something whilst still not knowing the reasons???

Exactly. For instance, all polls/surveys that Media Wales have been conducting have concluded that the majority of fans are in favour of these changes when it's probably the other way around. The same goes for news programmes etc. such as Wales Today who once more said in their lunchtime bulletin today that the plans were scrapped previously because of opposition from 'some' fans. More like all of them!

I haven't spoken to one City fan who is against the changes. And I know loads either friends, neighbours, other people living near me, work mates etc most ofwhom are season ticket holders. So you can use polls/surveys call it what you like to suit whatever side you are on.

What about on this forum?

When was the poll done and by whom?

It doesn't fairly represent the fan base

hang on Polo, the majority of fans who've voted in polls have said they want the changes. Surely, they've just taken this on board?

Unless it was an election of all season ticket holders then them, polls dont mean shit to me.

Anyway, how can you vote on something whilst still not knowing the reasons???

Yes, I see the sense of that, but the same goes for the seemingly negative reaction of some fans when the news initially broke.

Until they do a genuine poll of all us season ticket holders, then there's no way of knowing for certain, but in the polls that have been done, there's certainly no evidence of a widespread opposition, and perhaps they've taken that as a positive.

Rubbish. There has not been a proper poll conducted.I bet if you held a poll today and asked do you want to play in red and swap the bluebird for a dragon then at least half the fans would be against it.The reason that there has not been so much opposition about the rebranding lately is because the Malaysian statement said they were dropping the plans so there was no need to keep on complaining. If the Malaysians now think they can do a u turn and bring this in through the back door then they are mistaken.If they do try this tactic then the opposition will be even grater this time as they would be seen as going back on their word.

Spot on!

When was the poll done and by whom?

It doesn't fairly represent the fan base

That's what I've been thinking.

Media Wales are the worst. Publishing results of polls they conduct in the national newspaper when barely anyone has visited the polls themselves

Wasn't the supporters club poll something like 93% in favour of the changes? That is a massive amount. Some here are talking as if it was a rough split, it wasn't. Almost every single person who voted was on side. Even if it was out, it would have had to have been out by a massive amount to swing towards staying blue. Now you could argue that not everyone got to vote, but all the poles point to changing so it's fair to say that if every single person voted then it would still mean the same thing - Change to red and take the money!

Whatever subject people vote on the losing side can always point to this and that. How many votes did David Cameron get to be pm? Answer is not many, but he did get more than the other guy, so he got the job. Simple really.

Fact is if they did do a season ticket holder pole and it still pointed to red (as I'm certain it would do) blue people would then say something like non-season ticket holders should have been asked. Then if they asked people on the gates as they came in, and it still pointed to red (again I'm certain it would do) blue people would accuse the stewards of cheating the figures etc.

At the end of the day, the change to red has now got massive support over staying blue, get over it. The initial reaction was bad because of the way in which it leaked out (by someone with his own agenda) and it was a massive shock at the time. People have had time now to digest things and their thoughts have warmed towards changing to red.

I respect both sides and all are entitled to their opinion and they are also entitled to change their opinion. That doesn't make them any less of a supporter to the next guy. The only thing I'll say on the subject is the club has never won a single thing with the Bluebird on the shirt. It has though won the FA Cup and been the force to reckon with in the top flight with a Dragon on there instead.

You really believe that 99.9% of fans are all for it?

When was the poll done and by whom?

It doesn't fairly represent the fan base

That's what I've been thinking.

Media Wales are the worst. Publishing results of polls they conduct in the national newspaper when barely anyone has visited the polls themselves

Media Wales are the last people on earth I will trust with facts and figures