" IF WE DONT GET THIS SO CALLED £100 MILL "

Annis, at the moment the Malaysians are saving our club. Not only do they keep pumping money into the club per month for running costs, they have have also funded a lot more than that.

They are trying to put the club on sound footing again after Sam Hammam and Peter Ridsdale (Ex Wimbledon and Leeds Utd favourites) plunged the club into near extinction. A lot of this blame has to be put at the feet of these two men. What astonishes me is that people still easily brush this under the carpet.

I'm not saying I totally believe in the Malaysians but at the moment I'm extremely grateful that they are involved in our Club.

I certainly dont blame the malaysians for the current losses, maybe they should have sold a lot more players and not paid transfer fees for players and tried to stay up the last two years but personally im pleased they have continued to push for promotion and challange at the current end of the league.

We have made big cuts off the field since they took over, DJ gone, PR gone, PR's "pals" gone, Gethin Jenkins gone and I believe they made a few redundancies to cut unneeded off the field expenditure.

I doubt they want to spend the 1.5m a month on "waste" but if people have contracts they cant just rip them up. The only way to have stopped these losses would have been mass sales in the last two years.

One man to blame for me.

I don't know what this VT guy is playing at, I mean besides;

Paying the Taxman
Paying £m's in outstanding bills left by Ridsdale
Putting in over £1m a month to keep the club going
Personally funding the Craig Bellamy loan
Renegotiating many of the big debts to more favourable terms
Converting £m's of loans into equity
Sacking Dave Jones
Sacking Gethin Jenkins
Employing Malkay Mackay
Getting Rid of the egg chasers
Funding nearly £3m in transfer fees last season

I mean just exactly what has the guy done to make him think he can do want he wants.

Well summed up. Yes he has done all this and yet some ungrateful fans still criticise him.

Agree 100%, only thing is a lot of things were said that went deep in. There is a divide between our fans only time will tell if it can be healed

We need to remind our selves and each other we all support Cardiff City no matter what happens.

Totally agree.

It was never about what fans said regarding their opinions/beliefs on our badge/colour/nickname etc as once VT had done deals with Langston/PMG, VT would have done exactly what he wanted to do regardless of what we the fans would of said or wanted. Those 48 hrs of us sadly turning against each other, never meant one thing to VT. VT was only ever going to put more money in to the club if he could of done those deals and that was confirmed by Allan Whitley himself at the meetings. But I knew that any way and its 100% a fact.

Also these loses we occur are down the the current board and they are running our club so its up to them put it right, not us fans, we pay our money week in week out.
So please no more fan v fan any more its Cardiff City first, not owners etc.

I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

But let's not also start posts on here that are likely to start turning some people who come on this forum against our owners.

Agree 100%, only thing is a lot of things were said that went deep in. There is a divide between our fans only time will tell if it can be healed

There has always been a divide with City fans and always will be, I remember the old Grange-end where you'd have half of the Valleys beating shit out of each other, Canton, Llanrumney, Ely, Docks, Barry and Grangetown lads having a go at each other but when the City scored everyone was of one again as one.

If i have got my facts wrong,i apologize unreservedly to all concerned.....but just to get things clear in my mind can you tell me the circumstances involved that set off this small but never the less bitter civil war between the fans

Some one from the club leaking out VT/TG's plans on all the internet mb's as you know, so the club called an emergency meeting, no fan did this, the club called it.

It was never about what fans said regarding their opinions/beliefs on our badge/colour/nickname etc as once VT had done deals with Langston/PMG, VT would have done exactly what he wanted to do regardless of what we the fans would of said or wanted. Those 48 hrs of us sadly turning against each other, never meant one thing to VT. VT was only ever going to put more money in to the club if he could of done those deals and that was confirmed by Allan Whitley himself at the meetings. But I knew that any way and its 100% a fact.

Also these loses we occur are down the the current board and they are running our club so its up to them put it right, not us fans, we pay our money week in week out.
So please no more fan v fan any more its Cardiff City first, not owners etc.


I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

In a different context that is exactly what BigGwyn has been saying for days. Yes we can have our say on message boards and even send droves of fan representatives to meet with senior club officials, but at the end of the day Vincent Tan will call all the shots as he sees fit once he has dealt with Langston/PMG and taken control of the club 100%.

TBH Annis if VT is putting in £1.2m to prop the club up in the meantime then he is affectively doing his bit to sort out the 'losses'. The alternative is to sell players as you well know.

With all due respect Tony, Gwyn said something quite different in who the hell did fans think they were asking for consultation which is a bit different to what you are saying. Gwyn also said that Vincent would walk away if we opposed him. Anyway enough about that. If VT is as aggressive as you make out by planning to do whatever he wants, don't you think it time that we all unite under one banner and at least try and oppose any radical changes.If such changes are planned then I would rather at least try an oppose them rather that bite the pillow with arse up in the air waiting for whats heading our way.

Thank you Tony for your answer to my query,i am indebted to you

Let's be honest if Tan wanted red kits we would have them irrelevant of investment.

Tony out of curiosity
Who do u think is to blame that we are losing this kind of money ?

Everyone in charge from SH to the present are responsible for accumulating the debt. The big difference in my opinion is the Malaysians have the money to pay off everyone and own the club debt free, so to speak.

I still think this is what they will do but only when the time is right for them. Then they will mean business and us fans will be in for a roller coaster ride and very few people will be bothered about the red home shirt.[/quote]

i will be bothered about the red home shirt thats not going away with me mate.

But if Sam never put a penny into CCFC back then and never accumulated any debt then where do u all think that CCFC would be right now ????

In a different context that is exactly what BigGwyn has been saying for days. Yes we can have our say on message boards and even send droves of fan representatives to meet with senior club officials, but at the end of the day Vincent Tan will call all the shots as he sees fit once he has dealt with Langston/PMG and taken control of the club 100%.

TBH Annis if VT is putting in £1.2m to prop the club up in the meantime then he is affectively doing his bit to sort out the 'losses'. The alternative is to sell players as you well know.

Which is what we should be doing instead of throwing money at a problem that will never go away. We've been recklessly gambling for years, and keeping doing so will put us in an even bigger mess than we are now.

I don't know what this VT guy is playing at, I mean besides;

Paying the Taxman
Paying £m's in outstanding bills left by Ridsdale
Putting in over £1m a month to keep the club going
Personally funding the Craig Bellamy loan
Renegotiating many of the big debts to more favourable terms
Converting £m's of loans into equity
Sacking Dave Jones
Sacking Gethin Jenkins
Employing Malkay Mackay
Getting Rid of the egg chasers
Funding nearly £3m in transfer fees last season

I mean just exactly what has the guy done to make him think he can do want he wants.

How could you ever trust the man again?

In 2008 CCFC had been through a few storms and issues and the High Cour Proceedings in regards to Langsdon were all settled and agreed with a five six year repayment plan 16M to 27M pending on promotions naming rights etc.....Then Cardiff City reaches the FA Cup Final and thats where it all seemed to go pare''' People within the Club from the Tea lady to the Chairman got so up their arssssesss it was cringeworthy, Now lets not get off the point, Our only concern in 2008-9was the Langsdon debt then We were all good, The Malaysians get involved with CCFC and Hay'''''''We loose players like Ledley' Methews' JB' Macormack etc.....We average 23000 We'v had more TV than ever and now Our Club ows Millions and are suposed to be loosing a Million plus a month??? Sorry People its time to put your mellow Birds in the bin and start drinking Kencko or NessCaffee if You prefer, Because the the whole Board are taking the piss and haven't payed out anywhere near the figures claimed, even the playing staff wage bill seems to be more than ever? How the fook have CCFC ended up owing 70 pluss Million and spiralling with losses of a million a month? Can somebody please enlighten me with at least a breakdown in regards to the reason or costs of a million a month losses have a cured?? Im ready for My slagging, Dont give a fook. Sorry It stinks!!!

In 2008 CCFC had been through a few storms and issues and the High Cour Proceedings in regards to Langsdon were all settled and agreed with a five six year repayment plan 16M to 27M pending on promotions naming rights etc.....Then Cardiff City reaches the FA Cup Final and thats where it all seemed to go pare''' People within the Club from the Tea lady to the Chairman got so up their arssssesss it was cringeworthy, Now lets not get off the point, Our only concern in 2008-9was the Langsdon debt then We were all good, The Malaysians get involved with CCFC and Hay'''''''We loose players like Ledley' Methews' JB' Macormack etc.....We average 23000 We'v had more TV than ever and now Our Club ows Millions and are suposed to be loosing a Million plus a month??? Sorry People its time to put your mellow Birds in the bin and start drinking Kencko or NessCaffee if You prefer, Because the the whole Board are taking the piss and haven't payed out anywhere near the figures claimed, even the playing staff wage bill seems to be more than ever? How the fook have CCFC ended up owing 70 pluss Million and spiralling with losses of a million a month? Can somebody please enlighten me with at least a breakdown in regards to the reason or costs of a million a month losses have a cured?? Im ready for My slagging, Dont give a fook. Sorry It stinks!!!

Thought NOT!!!!