" Missing the point - it isn't just a colour. "

TBH WelshBluebird I have already answered most of the points you have rehashed. I repeat making assumptions (which you continue to do) is not helpful and totally destroys your argument.

I have to add though that inferring that the Malaysians are 'daft' is a bit rich considering he is a $ billionaire

So you are allowed to randomly put a line in the sand at where you feel would be going too far, yet I can't?
You feel every but the name is fine to be changed. Fair enough, that is your opinion.
But a lot of us disagree and think changing a large amount of our club identity is too far.

I did not imply they are daft. But I do think they should have seen the backlash against the plans coming, and it is a bit of a joke how it is all come about (leaked via a message board and then explained to some fans in a hastily arranged meeting, still with the club not officially saying anything at all to the rest of us). And I don't see what him being very successful has to do with it - everyone makes mistakes at some point.

It is pointless arguing with you because when you get stuck you invent or assume something (the name change for example)

As a name change is not part of the proposal I fail to see why you keep going on about it? I have made my position clear, the current proposals are acceptable to me because in return we get investment which will wipe our debt and secure our future.

You answer a question for once, if you love playing in Blue so much would you pay £3,000 for a season ticket if we got rid of VT and financed the club ourselves?

Again sorry for the double post.

You suggest that me making assumptions about what may happen in the future is not helpful. Why? It is a genuine concern of many of us who oppose these changes. If our owners are so willing to throw away so much of our clubs identity, then I see no reason why they would not be willing to throw away more of it (such as our club name). While my comment about Malaysia Welsh Dragons FC was obviously sarcastic in nature, I don't see why a name change is so seemingly out of your imagination when (as I have said), so much of our identity is already being thrown away. Yes it may not be on the cards right now, but if we allow these changes to go ahead, then it may be - and then it will be too late.

If we could get a guarantee from VT that he will not try to change the name of our club in exchange for more money, then I think a lot of people will at least partly accept the current changes. But so far - we have no had that, and indeed have been told that such a guarantee could not be given.

I am not arguing over assumptions There is NO proposal to change the name.

Look. Ignoring what I think may or may not happen in the future.
The fact remains that simply, we have different lines in the sand so to speak.
You are happy with everything but the club name (and presumably the location) being changed.
Some of us do not want to lose a large part of our club identity because of these plans for similar reasons to you not wanting the club name changed. Because we'd lose part of what the club is.

I've had 24 hrs to think about this. There are many good points made by fans for and against.
Yes I was outraged when the news broke and I would hope the Malaysians will reconsider some of the decisions they seem to have made. However in the cold light of day football is big business and some ruthless decisions have to be made.

We all remember when we had to sell the likes of Kavanagh and Mcanuffe for a pittance just to survive back in the dark days.
I remember one of our older fans calling the Cardiff City Phone-in when this news broke in what was a very emotional phone call.
None of us want to go through a period like that again.

As many fans have already said on this forum I want CCFC to have a solid financial background. We will get that with this investment. We have got a good young manager already in place. We've got fantastic fans in place. We may have no choice but to embrace the Malaysians decision and then we can look forward to bright new future.

Just want a little rant.
So many people who are not opposed to all this are missing the point.
They say "its just a colour, so what" or "we have changed our badge before, why not again".
But that is not the point!

They are ignoring the fact that someone who hasn't long come into the club is steamrolling over 100+ years of history and tradition.
The fact that we would essentially be whoring ourselves out - anything in exchange for money.
And finally, what worries me the most, the fact that we don't know where it will end. If we are prepared to lose our history and tradition for money, why not our name, or our location? Do we really want even that slightest chance that we would become essentially a malaysian franchise even if we get to the premiership or even champions league?

I would counter by saying your missing a HUGE point, Cardiff City FC is a business and as such needs to pay its way in a very cut throat industry. I don't see changing our colours as 'whoring ourselves out' rather I see it as making the most of an extraordinary oppotunity which could put us fianancially miles ahead of every other football club.

As for history, if we don't take this oppotunity then we go bust and we will have as much history as all other football clubs that have dodged their financial liabilities and reinvented themselves as a new companies e.g. Swansea City 1993 (or whatever).

Personally I think a club loses far more 'identity' when they take the spinless administration/reinvention route than a club which is willing to pay its way and not rip anyone off by utilising every possible oppotunity.

Of course this might not be enough to satisfy you. If you wish to boycott shirts, season tickets etc then go ahead, but in the meantime the less bloddy minded amongst us will embrace this golden gift and look forward to brilliant future.

Please mate....You have been brainwashed already, listen to yourself Bluebird, come on,,,,'A brilliant golden future' with owners who don't consult fans over massive non negotiable changes made to suit their fellow countrymen in a continent thousands of miles away which has nothing to do with us. Its Malaysia Wales Utd that your giving the thumbs up to, cos thats the non negotiable next change or even worse. Sounds great yeah.

u lot protesting are on well dodgy ground. annis, u might find u have no club to follow anymre. yes we havent been given a voice or choice and thats what hurts the most. but many clubs wud bend over 4 this sort of thing and u know. you just dont like the way its been handled which is fair enuff, but battling will get u NOWHERE.
let it go ffs.....its all about $$$$$$$ now. big money. if we're talking top end prem then 4get it. think chelsea/man city or united fans get a say? bollox they do? and what nick names do they have? means nothing nowadays.

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changing our name is a different kettle, now if that ever happened we'd all F off and there wud be no-one at the ground.
i wudnt care then. i reckon the kit colour will be resolved anyway, just a new badge. u wait.

Our history will still be intact!

If we were to be liquidated what would our history be then....


f**k all.

I'm not happy with the idea of being red, however I'd rather it be red than f**k all!!

that makes sense

Only to a plastic.

Or a red judas

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changing our name is a different kettle, now if that ever happened we'd all F off and there wud be no-one at the ground.
i wudnt care then. i reckon the kit colour will be resolved anyway, just a new badge. u wait.

This is my feelings too. Fan pressure will win.

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changing our name is a different kettle, now if that ever happened we'd all F off and there wud be no-one at the ground.
i wudnt care then. i reckon the kit colour will be resolved anyway, just a new badge. u wait.

This is my feelings too. Fan pressure will win.

in reality we all still chant bluebirds anyway wont we?
who cares? its like that tw*t re-naming St.James park in newcastle. No-one calls it what he wants anyway.

So again I ask, where do you draw the line?
If changing the colours, the badge and the nickname is fine by you in order for us to be successful, what about a name change? If renaming ourselves Malaysia Welsh Dragons FC meant we got even more investment, and so an even greater chance of success, would you be fine with that too? What about a move to a different town or city? Your mantra seems to be whatever increases the chances of success is a good thing. But surely there must be a line somewhere?

all very good but what do you suggest?? for that matter all fans who apose this what do you propose instead? VT give us 100ml as gift? yes pigs fly! another billionaire come in ? oooh another pig flying! soon have squadron of them but in reality pye in sky! we have to at least try and go with plans with reassurances if not what do you think is alternative? mm there isnt one do you think he will stay and lose 12ml a year get real please it aint happening same as another invester who in right mind will invest in company losing 12ml a year? you wouldnt so not much choice is there? like it or not!!