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lmao at any grown adults who watch WWE. Deary me.

lmao at any grown adults who watch WWE. Deary me.

WWE is no different than the soaps or movies. It's pre-planned acting and personally I am more interested in the characters and storylines in WWE to any of the soaps. It's called entertainment.

Agree with much of what you said nerd....Zigler is very talented...I thought Mr. Anderson would be that guy but nope does not look like it after all. The Miz stole his entire gimmick, but how in the heck did you know George Gulas?

The Road Warriors would not put the Fabulous Ones over, although the AWA had brought the Fabs in for that purpose. The crop of tag teams they had at the time were all cobinations of men over the age of 50, and the High Flyers were split because Daddy Verne kept trying to get Greg legitimized as a world champ. The Fabs were legit ring vets: Keirn and Lane both held regional titles all over. Anyways....

AS far as charisma (no offense to you Nerd, you certainly have proved you know your wrestling) name one single wrestler who made an impact outside of the wrestling world based soley on his ability to make it look real after 1970? Brett Hart maybe the closest thing but even he had more charisma in his pinky than Danielson.

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lmao at any grown adults who watch WWE. Deary me.

To each his own....

It's cyclical. It will come back to being cool and when it does the ratings will go up.

You can't compare the ratings to the Monday night wars. There's far more to watch now on TV in America. More channels etc.

HBK didn't hog the limelight too long. He put over so many wrestlers and left at the top of his game. HHH did to a certain extent but his performances justified it. Taker is part time and has been for ages. Taker made Mick Foley and The Rock with his gracious selling to them.

HBK didn't hog the limelight? He was notorious for not dropping titles when he felt like it... the whole "I lost my smile" bit with Bret Hart? HHH had two hot years as a heel, rest was pretty much "meh". Taker was always pretty much overrated, the gimmick far more important.

But, at WM, chance to establish new stars, the two headline bouts were between a semi-retired HHH and virtually crippled UT, with HBK making his usual goofy facials, a stale Cena against what could be best described as a part time wrestler.

Bryan Danielson had to job in what 18 seconds, where the title belt was deemed less important than setting up an angle where he dumps his girlfriend as a result!

The booking of WWE has plain sucked for a long, long time. That's why right now I far prefer TNA.

That was HBK pre attitude era. He dropped the title to Stone Cold then buggered off injured. He freely admits he was an arsehole during that time. However once he came back he was very gracious and had numerous five star bouts with numerous competitors and lost a lot giving the rub to many wrestlers.

HHH was a top performer for more than two years. I would argue Cena isn't stale due to the reactions he gets. I was disappointed that DANIEL BRYAN vs Sheamus was only 18 seconds as were a lot of people but Mania was a loaded card. We will get DB vs Sheamus at a later date. Taker has been performing for 20 years. All the wrestlers will say that if you put Taker in with a talented wrestler (eg not Kamala, Giant Gonzales etc) he will perform.

Many guys have had the chance to step up and have on the whole failed. I would agree this is a lot due to WWE's booking of them (Ziggler, Swagger, Christian to name but 3) should be higher on the card regularly but Mania is about exceptional bouts and Taker/HHH and Cena/Rock were two exceptional bouts.

TNA's booking is at best disjointed. There is no way you can say it is not. More effort is put into making an injured practically crippled man (Hogan) look strong than the whole of the roster combined. TNA has some good wrestlers but they are not WWE level. Not one of them would push into the top echelons of the WWE roster.

See Brock Lesnar has signed a $5m contract to make appearances at 40 dates for WWE.


I would've done it For $2m

Agree with much of what you said nerd....Zigler is very talented...I thought Mr. Anderson would be that guy but nope does not look like it after all. The Miz stole his entire gimmick, but how in the heck did you know George Gulas?

The Road Warriors would not put the Fabulous Ones over, although the AWA had brought the Fabs in for that purpose. The crop of tag teams they had at the time were all cobinations of men over the age of 50, and the High Flyers were split because Daddy Verne kept trying to get Greg legitimized as a world champ. The Fabs were legit ring vets: Keirn and Lane both held regional titles all over. Anyways....

AS far as charisma (no offense to you Nerd, you certainly have proved you know your wrestling) name one single wrestler who made an impact outside of the wrestling world based soley on his ability to make it look real after 1970? Brett Hart maybe the closest thing but even he had more charisma in his pinky than Danielson.

Kurt Angle would probably be the closest.

Even so, Danielson does have charisma, as some of his later ROH stuff showed. The fact WWE deem that irrelevant whilst ripping off the ROH Summer of Punk and Punk/Raven angles is interesting.

That was HBK pre attitude era. He dropped the title to Stone Cold then buggered off injured. He freely admits he was an arsehole during that time. However once he came back he was very gracious and had numerous five star bouts with numerous competitors and lost a lot giving the rub to many wrestlers.

HBK lost nothing by losing, his status was already established. Did many young talent get elevated by beating him? HBK also showed he was the same old in the Hogan angle, the match on Raw showing he was still prepared to be unprofessional.

HHH was a top performer for more than two years.

Booked to top more than two years,sure. He had two great years as heel, a cracking HITC vs Foley from memory at that time, rest for me was same old, same old, as if being phoned in.

I would argue Cena isn't stale due to the reactions he gets.

Young kids, women cheering, rest of crowd booing. His promos are stale, look stale, matches stale. He's been crying out for a heel turn for years, play off the mixed reactions, remains face purely down the merchandise shifted.

I was disappointed that DANIEL BRYAN vs Sheamus was only 18 seconds as were a lot of people but Mania was a loaded card. We will get DB vs Sheamus at a later date.

It was a world title match. How can a card be loaded to the extent a world title match is reduced to 18 seconds purely for the storyling of Danielson dumping his girlfriend? Even so, at a later date, who would necessarily care? Seamus has had the obligatory "friend of HHH" megapush. Danielson was booked as a weak champion, relying upon playing Henry/Show off against each other, now squashed at the biggest show of the year.

It's abymsal booking by WWE, who fail to grasp they can't necessarily direct the crowds anymore - the "Yes! Yes! Yes!" chant has taken off, the crowd are backing Danielson which completely flies in the face of the reaction WWE wanted.

Taker has been performing for 20 years. All the wrestlers will say that if you put Taker in with a talented wrestler (eg not Kamala, Giant Gonzales etc) he will perform.

But... he's broken down. You're talking about one match a year effectively. He's somebody who should have retired last year.

[question]Many guys have had the chance to step up and have on the whole failed. I would agree this is a lot due to WWE's booking of them (Ziggler, Swagger, Christian to name but 3) should be higher on the card regularly but Mania is about exceptional bouts and Taker/HHH and Cena/Rock were two exceptional bouts.[/question]

But, if you don't present the newer talent as being part of exceptional bouts, then nobody will take them seriously, Which then means when those much older top guys do retire, there's nobody there to pick up the slack.

Taker - HHH was a rematch of the previous WM - there was no real need for it.

TNA's booking is at best disjointed. There is no way you can say it is not. More effort is put into making an injured practically crippled man (Hogan) look strong than the whole of the roster combined. TNA has some good wrestlers but they are not WWE level. Not one of them would push into the top echelons of the WWE roster.

TNA's booking has improved. Sorry, but whilst Hogan will be the name as GM, there has been so much emphasis on Storm and Roode - and others - it's a falacy to say it's Hogan + others. Not one TNA guy would be in the top echelons of WWE? Hardy, Angle are two. AJ Styles turned down a WWE developmental deal years ago - wouldn't get pushed due to being too Southern. Storm and Roode would be strong candidates too. If WWE actually had a tag team division, MCMG would be a perfect fit.

Things have been far, far tighter booking wise since Russo departed.

That was HBK pre attitude era. He dropped the title to Stone Cold then buggered off injured. He freely admits he was an arsehole during that time. However once he came back he was very gracious and had numerous five star bouts with numerous competitors and lost a lot giving the rub to many wrestlers.

HBK lost nothing by losing, his status was already established. Did many young talent get elevated by beating him? HBK also showed he was the same old in the Hogan angle, the match on Raw showing he was still prepared to be unprofessional.

HHH was a top performer for more than two years.

Booked to top more than two years,sure. He had two great years as heel, a cracking HITC vs Foley from memory at that time, rest for me was same old, same old, as if being phoned in.

I would argue Cena isn't stale due to the reactions he gets.

Young kids, women cheering, rest of crowd booing. His promos are stale, look stale, matches stale. He's been crying out for a heel turn for years, play off the mixed reactions, remains face purely down the merchandise shifted.

I was disappointed that DANIEL BRYAN vs Sheamus was only 18 seconds as were a lot of people but Mania was a loaded card. We will get DB vs Sheamus at a later date.

It was a world title match. How can a card be loaded to the extent a world title match is reduced to 18 seconds purely for the storyling of Danielson dumping his girlfriend? Even so, at a later date, who would necessarily care? Seamus has had the obligatory "friend of HHH" megapush. Danielson was booked as a weak champion, relying upon playing Henry/Show off against each other, now squashed at the biggest show of the year.

It's abymsal booking by WWE, who fail to grasp they can't necessarily direct the crowds anymore - the "Yes! Yes! Yes!" chant has taken off, the crowd are backing Danielson which completely flies in the face of the reaction WWE wanted.

Taker has been performing for 20 years. All the wrestlers will say that if you put Taker in with a talented wrestler (eg not Kamala, Giant Gonzales etc) he will perform.

But... he's broken down. You're talking about one match a year effectively. He's somebody who should have retired last year.

[question]Many guys have had the chance to step up and have on the whole failed. I would agree this is a lot due to WWE's booking of them (Ziggler, Swagger, Christian to name but 3) should be higher on the card regularly but Mania is about exceptional bouts and Taker/HHH and Cena/Rock were two exceptional bouts.[/question]

But, if you don't present the newer talent as being part of exceptional bouts, then nobody will take them seriously, Which then means when those much older top guys do retire, there's nobody there to pick up the slack.

Taker - HHH was a rematch of the previous WM - there was no real need for it.

TNA's booking is at best disjointed. There is no way you can say it is not. More effort is put into making an injured practically crippled man (Hogan) look strong than the whole of the roster combined. TNA has some good wrestlers but they are not WWE level. Not one of them would push into the top echelons of the WWE roster.

TNA's booking has improved. Sorry, but whilst Hogan will be the name as GM, there has been so much emphasis on Storm and Roode - and others - it's a falacy to say it's Hogan + others. Not one TNA guy would be in the top echelons of WWE? Hardy, Angle are two. AJ Styles turned down a WWE developmental deal years ago - wouldn't get pushed due to being too Southern. Storm and Roode would be strong candidates too. If WWE actually had a tag team division, MCMG would be a perfect fit.

Things have been far, far tighter booking wise since Russo departed.

Two words Garrett Bischoff

Two words Garrett Bischoff

Sadly, will have to be more than two words in response

1) He's not been pushed anywhere near the main event.
2) Mid card feud with Gunner and Eric Bischoff.
3) Lockdown bout, again, mid card bout, not main event.
4) Gets a decent enough crowd response, I've seen far worse pushing of offspring, ie Erik Watts, Dustin Rhodes, David Flair...

Of course, if I was really cynical, I'd respond with Shane McMahon having made top wrestlers look, well, pretty crap really...

But getting back to the point, what is the focus of TNA booking right now? The main event scene. Roode, Storm. The MCMGs returning will almost certainly lead to a push to the titles, even Calfzilla is doing a damn fine job in his role.

Two words Garrett Bischoff

Sadly, will have to be more than two words in response

1) He's not been pushed anywhere near the main event.
2) Mid card feud with Gunner and Eric Bischoff.
3) Lockdown bout, again, mid card bout, not main event.
4) Gets a decent enough crowd response, I've seen far worse pushing of offspring, ie Erik Watts, Dustin Rhodes, David Flair...

Of course, if I was really cynical, I'd respond with Shane McMahon having made top wrestlers look, well, pretty crap really...

But getting back to the point, what is the focus of TNA booking right now? The main event scene. Roode, Storm. The MCMGs returning will almost certainly lead to a push to the titles, even Calfzilla is doing a damn fine job in his role.

A 0.99 rating though.

Shane McMahon ploughing through Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase was shocking.

You must be loving Brock Lesnar back.

A 0.99 rating though.

Shane McMahon ploughing through Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase was shocking.

You must be loving Brock Lesnar back.

Yeah, it's one of those scenarios where the product is better than the rating it's getting.

Brock Lesnar, definitely rate him, but I just think they've utterly blown his return.

Overly long rambling Cena promo, crowd chanting for Lesnar, utterly predictable Lesnar would appear.

Crowd utterly behind Lesnar, so rather than doing the natural route of turning Cena heel, keep him as the bland face he's been for years. Then there was the farcical situation where an obviously powerful handshake incapacitated Cena on Lesnar's shoulders for ten seconds before the F5...

I just really don't the booking. Sure, Cena is a good representative for the company, shifts merchandise for kids, but he's utterly stale, there's the situation where the crowd are behind Lesnar so they end up with unbalanced heel/face dynamics.

The best way they could have re-introduced Lesnar would have been an interview, with Heyman back as manager. Play off his UFC popularity. Could then have had Cena interrupt, saying something along the lines of nice to see you back, but sick of wrestlers like him and Rock returning when they bomb elsewhere. Over weeks play it off that Cena was slowly getting more fed up of working his ass off to an unappreciative crowd etc, then turn him full blown heel.

That way the crowd get what they want - to cheer Lesnar. Crowd get to boo Cena for being "evil" rather than for being stale.

A 0.99 rating though.

Shane McMahon ploughing through Randy Orton, Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase was shocking.

You must be loving Brock Lesnar back.

Yeah, it's one of those scenarios where the product is better than the rating it's getting.

Brock Lesnar, definitely rate him, but I just think they've utterly blown his return.

Overly long rambling Cena promo, crowd chanting for Lesnar, utterly predictable Lesnar would appear.

Crowd utterly behind Lesnar, so rather than doing the natural route of turning Cena heel, keep him as the bland face he's been for years. Then there was the farcical situation where an obviously powerful handshake incapacitated Cena on Lesnar's shoulders for ten seconds before the F5...

I just really don't the booking. Sure, Cena is a good representative for the company, shifts merchandise for kids, but he's utterly stale, there's the situation where the crowd are behind Lesnar so they end up with unbalanced heel/face dynamics.

The best way they could have re-introduced Lesnar would have been an interview, with Heyman back as manager. Play off his UFC popularity. Could then have had Cena interrupt, saying something along the lines of nice to see you back, but sick of wrestlers like him and Rock returning when they bomb elsewhere. Over weeks play it off that Cena was slowly getting more fed up of working his ass off to an unappreciative crowd etc, then turn him full blown heel.

That way the crowd get what they want - to cheer Lesnar. Crowd get to boo Cena for being "evil" rather than for being stale.

Or Cena beat the Rock by cheating then the Rock brought in his friend Brock Lesnar to get revenge on his behalf. Cena could have run roughshod over everyone utilising his new heel tactics until Lesnar came back to take him on.

Might have worked.