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Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:13 pm

3 days ago we were 70 mil in debt. And now we need more players. Cant have it both ways. Lets just all chill out and enjoy the rest what has been 1 of our best season for years. In malky we trust

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:14 pm

castleblue wrote:
Ackers wrote:Last season there was a a stat on the number of times we have come back from 1 nil down under DJ. Could somebody please tell me that stat this season.


So far this season we have won 1 game from a losing position, last season we won 2 games from a losing position.

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lol..You dont work for "ask jeeves" do you castleblue ;)

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:15 pm

castleblue wrote:
Ackers wrote:Last season there was a a stat on the number of times we have come back from 1 nil down under DJ. Could somebody please tell me that stat this season.


So far this season we have won 1 game from a losing position, last season we won 2 games from a losing position.

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Sorry we have won 2 games from a losing position this season Portsmouth home in the League and Huddersfield home in the Carling Cup.

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Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:16 pm

castleblue wrote:I'm not sure I would agree our bench was embarrassing Annis it was what it was given our squad but I do agree not having a forward on there at home is difficult to understand.

Thing for me about today is that we were beaten today by a stronger team, by a very organised team and by ourselves with some pretty poor defending. I think we need to put this game in a box and forget about it as for me it was almost as bad as Palace at home last season.

No real width from either team and considering both teams aspire to promotion I thought it was pretty low quality fare on offer. Chris Foy didn't help thought he and his assistants were poor for both sides really and I think you can find him in the club shop telling everyone who wants to listen that he did get the ball. :lol: :lol:

We cannot hope to compete with West Ham when it comes to money as their PL parachute payments are bigger than our playing budget. They are going to have a stronger bench nothing we can do about it.

No doubt we are in a dip formwise now and we have a big test coming up at Brighton but for me the game at the Wurzels is an absolute must win game. They can't win a corner at the moment and if we don't win there I will, and for the first time, start thinking we are going to drop right away from the playoff positions.

As for Earnie given KM hasn't scored now since Noah was a boy surely he deserves a place on the bench at least, I also think we must go out and get a centre forward who can play at this level. Way to much pressure on KM to not only score but to link up play, I think he needs help and as much as I like Rudy he is now out for a while so we MUST get a replacement.

As for today we were beaten by a better team on the day so we take it and move on.

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Gary, probably to strong a word, but a club like ours who are a top 6 club in this division(shows you how far we have come) to have such a weak bench and no striker doesnt seem right. Brighton, we must not lose and 3pts at Bristol is a must otherwise fans on here might say it does not matter, but fans vote with their feet and they will soon go missing and we still have to sell season tickets for next season, so a good finish has to happen. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:18 pm

castleblue wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Ackers wrote:Last season there was a a stat on the number of times we have come back from 1 nil down under DJ. Could somebody please tell me that stat this season.


So far this season we have won 1 game from a losing position, last season we won 2 games from a losing position.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Sorry we have won 2 games from a losing position this season Portsmouth home in the League and Huddersfield home in the Carling Cup.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Thanks castle, always rely on you for the stats :ayatollah: Not has bad has i thought. Unless it's 2 from 8 or something :lol:

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:20 pm

I know lets buy players and pay them stupidly high wages and get even more into debt. one minute fans moan about the debt and then fans moan about buying players :? :? :?

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:21 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:I'm not sure I would agree our bench was embarrassing Annis it was what it was given our squad but I do agree not having a forward on there at home is difficult to understand.

Thing for me about today is that we were beaten today by a stronger team, by a very organised team and by ourselves with some pretty poor defending. I think we need to put this game in a box and forget about it as for me it was almost as bad as Palace at home last season.

No real width from either team and considering both teams aspire to promotion I thought it was pretty low quality fare on offer. Chris Foy didn't help thought he and his assistants were poor for both sides really and I think you can find him in the club shop telling everyone who wants to listen that he did get the ball. :lol: :lol:

We cannot hope to compete with West Ham when it comes to money as their PL parachute payments are bigger than our playing budget. They are going to have a stronger bench nothing we can do about it.

No doubt we are in a dip formwise now and we have a big test coming up at Brighton but for me the game at the Wurzels is an absolute must win game. They can't win a corner at the moment and if we don't win there I will, and for the first time, start thinking we are going to drop right away from the playoff positions.

As for Earnie given KM hasn't scored now since Noah was a boy surely he deserves a place on the bench at least, I also think we must go out and get a centre forward who can play at this level. Way to much pressure on KM to not only score but to link up play, I think he needs help and as much as I like Rudy he is now out for a while so we MUST get a replacement.

As for today we were beaten by a better team on the day so we take it and move on.

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Gary, probably to strong a word, but a club like ours who are a top 6 club in this division(shows you how far we have come) to have such a weak bench and no striker doesnt seem right. Brighton, we must not lose and 3pts at Bristol is a must otherwise fans on here might say it does not matter, but fans vote with their feet and they will soon go missing and we still have to sell season tickets for next season, so a good finish has to happen. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


I was thinking exactly the same about ST sales Annis we absolutely must have a strong finish to keep our plastic fans interested. I know we were live on TV today so 23,800 is a good turnout but I really thought we would sell out given the performance last week.

As I said when we spoke last week I will never understand why MM didn't spend the £4m he had available in January. I cannot think of any other manager in my time who wouldn't have spent it. I really hope it doesn't come back to bite.

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Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:21 pm

From facebook


Aston Martyn Williams Don't worry about a thing Annis, everything is gona be alright !!! We will finish in the top ten,just like we thought before we started this campaign. Championship football again next season is fine by me.
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Annis Abraham Jnr Aston, I agree top 10 will be ok at the start, but once you have been up there for so long we should of taken advantage of it and strengthened.
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Aston Martyn Williams I agree with you 100% Annis, the question is why didn't we strengthen ? Was there any money really available or are the Malaysiaon's trying to get promotion on the cheap.
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Dai Jones Gotta drop miller aswell might give him a kick up the arse
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Dean King Was Earnshaw injured i was worried about him playing/..
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Aston Martyn Williams I've never been a fan of miller so I agree you there Dai. We also need to start playing 4 4 2 again
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Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:25 pm

Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:26 pm

WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


Funny you should say that, apparently we were willing to spend £5 mill in January ?

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:27 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


Funny you should say that, apparently we were willing to spend £5 mill in January ?


What with monopoly money?

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:27 pm

jinks-rct wrote:I know lets buy players and pay them stupidly high wages and get even more into debt. one minute fans moan about the debt and then fans moan about buying players :? :? :?

I blame the people who aren't holding the Malaysians to account. Everyone of them has claimed they are heroes who have saved us and that everything is rosey financially - if it was then we would be signing players. Instead, we are going FURTHER into debt, without acquiring the assets that past debt accrued. Basically going further into debt for no advantage. At least if the debt was going on players, we would have a fighting chance of promotion. Instead, we are spending even more money just to stagnate.

We are in a recession now, where footballers wages will be cheaper - unlike 2000 onwards where high wages had to be paid to attract quality players to what was viewed as a shite club.

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:29 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


Funny you should say that, apparently we were willing to spend £5 mill in January ?


Funny from the one that wanted us to do a Swansea , Nice small squad and the days are paying player silly wages to be gone. Now want us to bring even more players in and add to the wage bill . And we're in debt up to our eyeballs and adding a million with each month aren't we .

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:30 pm

tylerdurdenisabluebird wrote:
jinks-rct wrote:I know lets buy players and pay them stupidly high wages and get even more into debt. one minute fans moan about the debt and then fans moan about buying players :? :? :?

I blame the people who aren't holding the Malaysians to account. Everyone of them has claimed they are heroes who have saved us and that everything is rosey financially - if it was then we would be signing players. Instead, we are going FURTHER into debt, without acquiring the assets that past debt accrued. Basically going further into debt for no advantage. At least if the debt was going on players, we would have a fighting chance of promotion. Instead, we are spending even more money just to stagnate.

We are in a recession now, where footballers wages will be cheaper - unlike 2000 onwards where high wages had to be paid to attract quality players to what was viewed as a shite club.



Adam, the Malaysians are powerful and rich enough, they can do what they really want, its totally up to them.

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:30 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Just looking at our bench today v Westham, I felt it was embarrassing to see such a weak bench in the Championship. Yes I am going to say the same old thing, if we had invested back in Oct/Nov/Jan we would not be sinking like the titanic. One win in the last 6 league games v Peterborough home. You can give 100% week in week out but you need that bit of class and strength in depth. The top 2 positions are gone in my opinion and its our own fault. I will be at Brighton and Bristol C away and will continue to cheer them on, but we have thrown it all away in my opinion.

Rudy, sorry not championship for me, a waste of space in the Championship,battles,gives everything, lovely person though, but not good enough.

And what are we paying Earnie £13,000 a week for ?

Agree with you apart from Rudy, he's our only threat going forward mate, we died when he went off

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:31 pm

cecilccfc wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Just looking at our bench today v Westham, I felt it was embarrassing to see such a weak bench in the Championship. Yes I am going to say the same old thing, if we had invested back in Oct/Nov/Jan we would not be sinking like the titanic. One win in the last 6 league games v Peterborough home. You can give 100% week in week out but you need that bit of class and strength in depth. The top 2 positions are gone in my opinion and its our own fault. I will be at Brighton and Bristol C away and will continue to cheer them on, but we have thrown it all away in my opinion.

Rudy, sorry not championship for me, a waste of space in the Championship,battles,gives everything, lovely person though, but not good enough.

And what are we paying Earnie £13,000 a week for ?

Agree with you apart from Rudy, he's our only threat going forward mate, we died when he went off




I really like the lad, but I honestly dont feel he is good enough, I hope he proves me wrong. :ayatollah:

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:32 pm

WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


A football club in debt, now you tramps should know all about that, afterall, you,ve cheated the taxman TWICE!!!!

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:33 pm

cityone wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


A football club in debt, now you tramps should know all about that, afterall, you,ve cheated the taxman TWICE!!!!

:lol:

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:36 pm

cityone wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


A football club in debt, now you tramps should know all about that, afterall, you,ve cheated the taxman TWICE!!!!


Yep and we have learned from our mistakes and happily sit in the top division on a shoe string budget beating and competing against europes best. Im actually giving you advice to not spend spend spend

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:37 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


A football club in debt, now you tramps should know all about that, afterall, you,ve cheated the taxman TWICE!!!!

:lol:


At this point I think it's reasonable for me to point out we haven't "cheated" the taxman once, never mind twice as when we had our financial problems, the law stated that the taxman was a preferred creditor and had to be paid in full.

When our past financial problems are brought up it should be remembered that we owed 1/70th of what you now owe.

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:39 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Beaten by a better team who have spent a lot of money.
Thought the bench was ok today, should have had earnie on it though and they should have been used.

Top two are gone but will be an interesting battle for the play/offs.



I agree -well said.

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:39 pm

This season was all about consolidation, we started off so well, and that got every1 thinking, this could b our year. Seen it all b4, very rarely a squad of our size maintain a push for promotion up to the end. I hate to say it though, and I've seen it down here for years. When we're on the brink of something, and all we need is a couple of players, we don't seem to get the backing. Playoffs r more than realistic, but does make u wonder if only we could av bought some width and a striker, I saw nothin in west ham today to believe we couldn't av pushed on after jan window closed. Keeping the faith though. MM Barmy Army!! :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:39 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


A football club in debt, now you tramps should know all about that, afterall, you,ve cheated the taxman TWICE!!!!

:lol:


At this point I think it's reasonable for me to point out we haven't "cheated" the taxman once, never mind twice as when we had our financial problems, the law stated that the taxman was a preferred creditor and had to be paid in full.

When our past financial problems are brought up it should be remembered that we owed 1/70th of what you now owe.


I was going to say this but you can't tell em

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:41 pm

Heaton, blake,kiss, vudic, conway,
I would not say that was a weak bench, the only downside was no natural replacement for Rudy, earnie injured so that is why no other striker.
We were bearen by a very strong team, could tell they had just come down from Premier.
Glad we not throwing our money around, the previous regime did enough of that and look where it has left us.
I do think that Mcnaughton is struggling as both girls today again came from his side, maybe give Blake a go on wed and let Kev recharge his batteries.
We are still in it and must stick together, our fans today were an embarrassment, flooding out when the second goal went in,
we want a Premier team, yet our fans are so so embarrassing sometimes.

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:41 pm

North Wales Blue wrote:This season was all about consolidation, we started off so well, and that got every1 thinking, this could b our year. Seen it all b4, very rarely a squad of our size maintain a push for promotion up to the end. I hate to say it though, and I've seen it down here for years. When we're on the brink of something, and all we need is a couple of players, we don't seem to get the backing. Playoffs r more than realistic, but does make u wonder if only we could av bought some width and a striker, I saw nothin in west ham today to believe we couldn't av pushed on after jan window closed. Keeping the faith though. MM Barmy Army!! :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


You know i don't want to be picky but where is this money coming from to buy players?

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:43 pm

Shocking performance! Drop miller n gestede and give earnie and Conway a run! Today's performance just wasn't good enough and no excuses. 3 points Wednesday is a must otherwise the playoffs will be a big ask in my opinion! Lack of depth in the squad and there all very tired after a long season! Push on CCfc and do us proud and get us to the prem but maybe that's a big ask now ! Bluearmu

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:46 pm

Have to agree annis awfull today made west ham look world class its a real shame our season is falling appart but will still be next to you wednesday supporting the boys. I just hope malky can lift them for one final push because the effort they have put in up to now they should be proud of what they have done and if we dont make the play offs then f**k it we will have to go again next season :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:47 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
cityone wrote:
WestWhite wrote:Your bench is weak because your in million pounds of debt? when are you going to realise this?


A football club in debt, now you tramps should know all about that, afterall, you,ve cheated the taxman TWICE!!!!

:lol:


At this point I think it's reasonable for me to point out we haven't "cheated" the taxman once, never mind twice as when we had our financial problems, the law stated that the taxman was a preferred creditor and had to be paid in full.

When our past financial problems are brought up it should be remembered that we owed 1/70th of what you now owe.


What a pathetic excuse to try and cover up for your "CHEATING," do you really think that when you went into administration the taxman got paid in full???? he might have had first call on your debt but you had piss all to give him, then there,s the creditors, ask the dozens of them from big concerns to the one man business, who were told to take 5p in the pound or get nothing, ask them were they happy???? idiot!!!!

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:52 pm

i thought rudy looked injured from the start.. he had a couple of through balls and he was second to them and couldnt run at all.

i dont get how a unfit rudy can start a match. earnie must really be out of favour. if so, at 13k a week , he needs to be offloaded out on loan now. that money can be used else where.

Re: " IT WAS EMBARRASSING AND WHAT ARE WE PAYING "

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:52 pm

jarrod wrote:Have to agree annis awfull today made west ham look world class its a real shame our season is falling appart but will still be next to you wednesday supporting the boys. I just hope malky can lift them for one final push because the effort they have put in up to now they should be proud of what they have done and if we dont make the play offs then f**k it we will have to go again next season :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

No who has got Annis' balls in their mouth, Jarrod :D :old: