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Never in a million years. We cant even fill 26000 with the success we've had !!!
I think a Tottenham sized 36000 would do us nicely.
The mad part is if we played Man Utd next week at the Millennium Stadium, we'd sell out all 72000 seats.

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I believe we have the ability to consistently fill a 40k stadium if we get to the Premiership. It would take quite a few years of Premiership football and some relative success while there, allied to top draw marketing and a whole lot of praying, for us to get 60k consistently.

Although, there's nothing wrong with setting our sights high. See my signature.

I guess it all depends, if we had a very good marketing department at Cardiff City football club, I think anything is possible. I remember as a kid in the 90's we use to average around about 5-8000 fans per a game at Ninian Park, and now we're averaging at 23,000 fans. So to see a jump of 15,000-18,000 fans in nearly 10 years is massive. Alot of factors contributed to this, Sam Hamman, New stadium, but for me its the FA Cup final which completely changed it for our club, which showed fans as a club we can compete with the top level.

Nevertheless, say for arguement sake, we add another tier to the grange end, i.e. level 2 upper stand, and say it was a 5,000 capacity, I reckon we'd sell out straight away on the basis of family stand ticket pricing. I remember as a kid, still in primary school in Port Talbot area when Cardiff City offered tickets for free to school children as long as you bring an adult along which cost them £5 to enter the ground. As a kid, I enjoyed the game, and have always asked my Dad to take me to Ninian Park. Little gestures like that can bring in new fans, such a shame that the Marketing department has fallen behind in this regards.....we only see it now and then. I do believe we should see more schemes being initaiated by the club, like the Borough home game, bring a friend for £10....who knows they might enjoy the game, and could become a season ticket holder eventually.

For me, I feel the schools within Cardiff, Bridgend, Rhondda (all the valleys), Neath Port Talbot and Newport should be targetted, in sending our players to get involved with their games lessons "or inspire them" in terms of being role models and offering them free tickets. Try and be their friends kinda thing......I'm just trying to generate ideas....but something along those lines.

The biggest thing which I like about our club is the involvement with the Ty-Hafan charity organisation, and seeing the good work the players and club put in, especially when seeing pictures of Bellamy last season delivering presents to children. I believe as a club we can target more of the fans local area charities and get us fans and local people involved, that can generate appreciation, and a sense of friendship and they could potentially come to some games and support the players. Who knows this could actually work in the long run, and create a positive image of our club, as being family orientated and supportive. You wouldnt need a marketing budget, and it wouldnt cost extra money, just the need for players to turn up and put smiles on peoples faces.

I believe there are alot more ways to increse the numbers at our stadiums, its just a shame that our marketing department arent that creative. Nevertheless, our club has come a long way, and to see it grow this way, you know it can only get bigger.

Was brought up watching the team from 1965 and remember Real Madrid and was at the 55000 against Arsenal in the FA Cup and 35000 for a 3rd division match against Hereford and my impression then was we could attract a 60000 crowd on a regular basis, however recent seasons has shown us we are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think we could. Cardiff Blues can get 35000 plus for big games but on a regular basis look at them. Where are the 35000 plus that went to the Millennium Stadium and Wembley because there are not rushing to see Palace next week. So the answer to the question is we could on the odd occasion but you do not want to be playing in quarter empty stadiums like Coventry every week. 30k maximum I say

The Gunners game was over 55,000 it was printed at 57,890 I think, but the truth was the crowed was over that and went into the 60,000+ They reckon it was more like 62,000 But the true Records was kept lower cos of Insurance and Police . But like you I was going to Cardiff games back in the 62/63 and some games earlyer than that.

I think you will find that in the FA Cup run in 1927 Ninian Park had over 70k for the quarter final .....

Was brought up watching the team from 1965 and remember Real Madrid and was at the 55000 against Arsenal in the FA Cup and 35000 for a 3rd division match against Hereford and my impression then was we could attract a 60000 crowd on a regular basis, however recent seasons has shown us we are living in cloud cuckoo land if we think we could. Cardiff Blues can get 35000 plus for big games but on a regular basis look at them. Where are the 35000 plus that went to the Millennium Stadium and Wembley because there are not rushing to see Palace next week. So the answer to the question is we could on the odd occasion but you do not want to be playing in quarter empty stadiums like Coventry every week. 30k maximum I say

The Gunners game was over 55,000 it was printed at 57,890 I think, but the truth was the crowed was over that and went into the 60,000+ They reckon it was more like 62,000 But the true Records was kept lower cos of Insurance and Police . But like you I was going to Cardiff games back in the 62/63 and some games earlyer than that.

I think you will find that in the FA Cup run in 1927 Ninian Park had over 70k for the quarter final .....

Couldn't all have paid, the recorded ground record is 62000 Wales v England in early 60's

No and to be honest it would be total Plastic if we neared it. Can you imagine 10.000 fans wanting to stand and be Cardiff City fans and the other fifty K would B sit down and shut up !! f*cking hope not Annis

I don't think 60,000 will be enough!! more like 100,000

A big part of increasing our stadium capacity would be increasing the surrounding infrastructure. Getting out of Cardiff is already a 'mare with 20k+. Imagine just going up an extra 10k. You might as well take a sleeping bag.
Crap parking, crap roads, crap trains.
However if the city of Cardiff can cope with 60k+ of rugby fans...then it must be possible with a bit of logistical planning.
A park and ride at jct 33 to start with next season please.

You only need to look at Newcastle and Sunderland to see the art of the possible. Also the crowds that the Sheffield clubs attract.
60k is a hell of jump mind!

Can't see it I'm afraid. 35,000 stadium, nearly full most games is more realistic,

Would be happy with a 35,000 capacity with a chance to increase to 45,000. I don't think we have a chance to fill 60,000 every game in the Premier League. Only the following clubs I think can get 60,000 fans in the Premier League:

Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool. Maybe Chelsea....

I don't think Newcastle, Man City or Tottenham could achieve this at the present time.

But I suppose anything can happen in football....

If we were in the prem then I dont think that 40,000 is out of the question. The biggest problem we face is we would not have the infastructure to support such numbers. I would question whether we have the road network or public transport to cope.I would not like to think how long it would take to get out of the ground, retail park or surrounding areas if we had to cope with 40,000 fans.

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

Also, where ever I go in the world everyone has heard of Cardiff City, but not swansea.

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

I tend to base success on results rather than crowds as that is what actually matters at the end of the day.

Given that Cardiff and it's catchment area is far bigger than Swansea, you should get bigger crowds than us. In fact, given the difference in size of each city you should be embarrassed that you don't get more than you have up to now (baring in mind that right now if we had a larger stadium, we would be outstripping your crowds easily. In fact we probably are now seeing as you keep reporting on thousands of ST holders not turning up).

If you really think you will ever need a 60,000 seater stadium then I'm afraid you are indeed delusional.

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

I tend to base success on results rather than crowds as that is what actually matters at the end of the day.

Given that Cardiff and it's catchment area is far bigger than Swansea, you should get bigger crowds than us. In fact, given the difference in size of each city you should be embarrassed that you don't get more than you have up to now (baring in mind that right now if we had a larger stadium, we would be outstripping your crowds easily. In fact we probably are now seeing as you keep reporting on thousands of ST holders not turning up).

If you really think you will ever need a 60,000 seater stadium then I'm afraid you are indeed delusional.

I reckon for 8 games a season if we were up there near the top we could get 60,000.
The Jacks prob 25,000.

Really can't see it. Even 35k seems a way off at the moment even with promotion.

Arsenal have much bigger catchment area (in the millions) with a long and illustrious history of success, and there's always loads of empty seats there.

Man City with all their millions and potential will struggle to fill 60k according to my Man City mate who is a ST holder.

So for me, no. However, come what may, I'll be there.

IMWT

man city have a huge team in their city though

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

I tend to base success on results rather than crowds as that is what actually matters at the end of the day.

Given that Cardiff and it's catchment area is far bigger than Swansea, you should get bigger crowds than us. In fact, given the difference in size of each city you should be embarrassed that you don't get more than you have up to now (baring in mind that right now if we had a larger stadium, we would be outstripping your crowds easily. In fact we probably are now seeing as you keep reporting on thousands of ST holders not turning up).

If you really think you will ever need a 60,000 seater stadium then I'm afraid you are indeed delusional.

I reckon for 8 games a season if we were up there near the top we could get 60,000.
The Jacks prob 25,000.

The delusion and denial is strong in this one.

The delusion and denial is strong in this one.



I just know how big Cardiff City really can be.

And how small you really are.

The delusion and denial is strong in this one.



I just know how big Cardiff City really can be.

And how small you really are.

You're hurting. It's ok, I understand. It can't be easy for you.

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

we are having bigger crowds then you. accept it, our ST holders are turning up. why wouldn't they? we're 3rd in the league FFS. when we're back in the same league, we'll be having about 8k bigger crowds then you as usual.

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

we are having bigger crowds then you. accept it, our ST holders are turning up. why wouldn't they? we're 3rd in the league FFS. when we're back in the same league, we'll be having about 8k bigger crowds then you as usual.

Ah, so you're saying Annis and Carl are talking shit about St holders not turning up then. Ok, fair enough.

You should also accept that the ONLY reason you are getting higher attendance numbers than us is because our ground is sold out of every game. If the space was there, then our crowds would be higher. It's not difficult to understand.

But you keep hanging onto that crowd thing, I'll look at the league table.

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Jack, What I can guarantee you is, you will never ever be as big as us in support, ever. A FACT.

I tend to base success on results rather than crowds as that is what actually matters at the end of the day.

Given that Cardiff and it's catchment area is far bigger than Swansea, you should get bigger crowds than us. In fact, given the difference in size of each city you should be embarrassed that you don't get more than you have up to now (baring in mind that right now if we had a larger stadium, we would be outstripping your crowds easily. In fact we probably are now seeing as you keep reporting on thousands of ST holders not turning up).

If you really think you will ever need a 60,000 seater stadium then I'm afraid you are indeed delusional.

I reckon for 8 games a season if we were up there near the top we could get 60,000.
The Jacks prob 25,000.

The delusion and denial is strong in this one.

So am I delusional when I say there are ST holders at the Liberty selling their seats for about £15?

It muat haave been a mirage when I got offered that for the Swansea Bolton game....no it could have not been as a mirage only happens in the desert.

So am I delusional when I say there are ST holders at the Liberty selling their seats for about £15?

It muat haave been a mirage when I got offered that for the Swansea Bolton game....no it could have not been as a mirage only happens in the desert.

Not at all. There are bound to be some plastics. The difference is though, there will always be someone to buy that ticket as every game is sold out with only 1,500 match day tickets available which go within hours of going on sale.

Therefore a moot point.

So am I delusional when I say there are ST holders at the Liberty selling their seats for about £15?

It muat haave been a mirage when I got offered that for the Swansea Bolton game....no it could have not been as a mirage only happens in the desert.

Not at all. There are bound to be some plastics. The difference is though, there will always be someone to buy that ticket as every game is sold out with only 1,500 match day tickets available which go within hours of going on sale.

Therefore a moot point.

Glad you admit to that. However from 8,000 to 16,000 ST holders I think its a bit naive to say there will be some plastics about. lets see if you can hold onto them like we have since our FA cup final appearance.

So am I delusional when I say there are ST holders at the Liberty selling their seats for about £15?

It muat haave been a mirage when I got offered that for the Swansea Bolton game....no it could have not been as a mirage only happens in the desert.

Not at all. There are bound to be some plastics. The difference is though, there will always be someone to buy that ticket as every game is sold out with only 1,500 match day tickets available which go within hours of going on sale.

Therefore a moot point.

Glad you admit to that. However from 8,000 to 16,000 ST holders I think its a bit naive to say there will be some plastics about. lets see if you can hold onto them like we have since our FA cup final appearance.

The only way to guarantee a seat for this season was to get a season ticket. Previously fans could just buy on a match by match basis. That's almost impossible now. And with with 90% of ST's being sold prior to the play off final, the number of plastics is minimal.

So am I delusional when I say there are ST holders at the Liberty selling their seats for about £15?

It muat haave been a mirage when I got offered that for the Swansea Bolton game....no it could have not been as a mirage only happens in the desert.

Not at all. There are bound to be some plastics. The difference is though, there will always be someone to buy that ticket as every game is sold out with only 1,500 match day tickets available which go within hours of going on sale.

Therefore a moot point.

Glad you admit to that. However from 8,000 to 16,000 ST holders I think its a bit naive to say there will be some plastics about. lets see if you can hold onto them like we have since our FA cup final appearance.

The only way to guarantee a seat for this season was to get a season ticket. Previously fans could just buy on a match by match basis. That's almost impossible now. And with with 90% of ST's being sold prior to the play off final, the number of plastics is minimal.

Minimal, we will see.

This conversation actually came up after a city game last season, and I was accused of not being a true city fan becuase I didnt think we could be as big as Man United.

Cardiff have never in there history had 60000 fans follow them anywhere. Even when Ninian was at its largest the record attendance was 57,000 for a league match. How much Id love to beleive we could sell out 60,000 every week the reality is we never will.

I think we cannot forget where we have come from, 2,500 in old Div 4, losing to non-league in the FA Cup in front of 1,500 at ninian.

If we got up to 35000 every week that would be amazing! and I believe that is achieveable and sustainable for the Bluebirds.

city record attendance was i believe 63000 officially,arsenal i believe, but some say lot more

So am I delusional when I say there are ST holders at the Liberty selling their seats for about £15?

It muat haave been a mirage when I got offered that for the Swansea Bolton game....no it could have not been as a mirage only happens in the desert.

Not at all. There are bound to be some plastics. The difference is though, there will always be someone to buy that ticket as every game is sold out with only 1,500 match day tickets available which go within hours of going on sale.

Therefore a moot point.

Glad you admit to that. However from 8,000 to 16,000 ST holders I think its a bit naive to say there will be some plastics about. lets see if you can hold onto them like we have since our FA cup final appearance.

The only way to guarantee a seat for this season was to get a season ticket. Previously fans could just buy on a match by match basis. That's almost impossible now. And with with 90% of ST's being sold prior to the play off final, the number of plastics is minimal.

Minimal, we will see.

For every plastic who has bought a ST, there is a very long queue of people who would be happy to purchase that ticket off him.

Funny your attendances show lots of empty seats last season

Wasnt the Arsenal gate 58000 ?? Wales V England that was sixty odd thousand i believe