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Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:53 am

Stan-QPR wrote:Couple of quick points fellas.

Neil Warnock done absolute wonders for us make no mistake about that, he galvanised our football club whilst it was being run by two f*cking idiots. Got us up on a modest budget playing good football. Now here is the reasons he was sacked & I'm his number 1 fan.

1) 1 home win at home since April 2011

2) Only home win this season was against 9 man Chelsea who could of easily beaten us

3) Playing Shaun Wright Philips a natural right winger on the left hand side every single week so he can play Jamie Mackie who although runs a lot does absolutely f**k all else.

4) Playing 1 up front against the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, West Brom & Blackburn at home where we gained a grand total of 1 point from all them games.

5) Letting certain players make decisions that should only be made by a manager.

6) Warnock at training only 2 days a week, letting Keith Curle & Mick Jones take training which was not appreciated by the players as the training was low intensity all the time & rumours of Curle nursing a hang over most of the week was again frowned upon by the players.

7) Every week Warnock making the same silly mistakes regarding formations & substitutions leading to losses or at best a draw.

Great guy but this is a results based business & i honestly believe with him in charge we would of gone down. Mark Hughes has now got the best part of half a season to turn it around & for some to say he is a shit manager have no clue about football. He got a very average Blackburn into Europe & a top 6 finish in the Premiership, Man City he was very highly respected but was on a hiding to nothing as the owners wanted a big continental name & at Fulham he was given assurances by the owners regarding youth investment & visions for the club which were both not met so he walked & rightly so.

Very happy about this appointment. As much as we loved Warnock he really has not got the nous to manage in the top flight.




Fair points, Stan but I still think he was treated a little harshly considering what he achieved by getting you there (with huge thanks to Dave Jones for not giving you a REAL fight in the end!!) :lol:

Not surprised with you being well happy with Mark Hughes, what with you being a frustrated Welshman and all that!! :lol:

I would point out, however, that Hughes is by definition a Scouser from the small Merseyside town of Ruabon!! :lol: :lol:


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Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:48 pm

What a pity to see someone like Colin Wanker fired eh? :lol:

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:49 pm

Sven I agree to an extent mate but top flight football is paramount & also cut throat. No time for sentiment.

I would rather look back on our time with Warnock with a smile on my face whilst remaining a Premiership club than end up hating him because he took us down using shit tactics & substitutions.

A correct & decisive decision from Tony Fernandes.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:07 pm

Stan-QPR wrote:Sven I agree to an extent mate but top flight football is paramount & also cut throat. No time for sentiment.

I would rather look back on our time with Warnock with a smile on my face whilst remaining a Premiership club than end up hating him because he took us down using shit tactics & substitutions.

A correct & decisive decision from Tony Fernandes.


mark hughes is overated and will struggle to keep you up..

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:34 pm

valleycasual wrote:
couldn't agree more with your opinion on hughes stan, i dont get the slating he recieves on here. maybe he was a little naive with wales at times but that was his 1st managerial position, and he did ultimately get us one game away from qualification


A little naive?

Hughes playing his mates. Players well past their sell by date, like Hartson. Rigid 4-5-1, defend, look to play ball long and snatch a goal.

Russia away. 85th minute, hartson unsurprisingly out on his feet.

Do you bring on a) Earnie, who scored 19 goals in the Prem that season, to try to maybe get a vital away goal on the break or b) Nathan f*cking Blake.

Russia, home. Need to win, so play defensive 4-5-1. And bring Earnie on, playing him, errm, wide right.

And let's not forget Hughes f***ing off as soon as a prem club came around. Oh, but he wanted to hang around for the big England game.

Hughes is one of the most overrated managers around. Given his whining about how Mancini took over, he sure as hell got the QPR role pretty quickly after Colin was fired. And QPR are hardly the CL chasing team Hughes wanted.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:01 pm

nerd wrote:
valleycasual wrote:
couldn't agree more with your opinion on hughes stan, i dont get the slating he recieves on here. maybe he was a little naive with wales at times but that was his 1st managerial position, and he did ultimately get us one game away from qualification


A little naive?

Hughes playing his mates. Players well past their sell by date, like Hartson. Rigid 4-5-1, defend, look to play ball long and snatch a goal.

Russia away. 85th minute, hartson unsurprisingly out on his feet.

Do you bring on a) Earnie, who scored 19 goals in the Prem that season, to try to maybe get a vital away goal on the break or b) Nathan f*cking Blake.

Russia, home. Need to win, so play defensive 4-5-1. And bring Earnie on, playing him, errm, wide right.

And let's not forget Hughes f***ing off as soon as a prem club came around. Oh, but he wanted to hang around for the big England game.

Hughes is one of the most overrated managers around. Given his whining about how Mancini took over, he sure as hell got the QPR role pretty quickly after Colin was fired. And QPR are hardly the CL chasing team Hughes wanted.


Yep to all this

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:00 pm

Think people are forgetting the Wales job was his first job in management & was effectively cutting his teeth.

Getting a shit Blackburn Rovers side to 6th in the Premier League & Europe, same with Fulham & Man city doesn't deserve a mention no? Hmmmmmmmm

Good manager with a good record & will keep us up.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:19 pm

It is an interesting one Stan

You now have a lot of characters in your dressing room - how Hughes and those players get on will be pivotal to survival.

One good thing you have is a lot of those players that to be honest, most other fans see as coming in with no love for you but just to milk your club with high wages, are actually seeming to bond.
Whether that is just ego twitter talk or real - you and us will know in the next 5 games.

Warnock had to go Stan
spent way more than norwich or swansea and putting square pegs in round holes.
Warnock though, unlike DJ, will be back in the game soon. (if he wants to)

Hughes bottled it with Wales and seems to have either left or been pushed just before us welsh fans have a chance to really gauge him as a manager, so don't expect many Hughes lovers here mate!
Good luck Stan :ayatollah:

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:17 pm

Great post Eddie lad & agree on every count.

Lots of egos in our dressing room now including Sparky! But I know for a fact the lads get on swimmingly so I expect no problems on that front.

As you mentioned, many on here seem to comment on Hughes with a personal edge to they're comments & not on a footballing one which is slightly unfair.

Given backing & a little time to put his stamp on things an see only good things ahead. His backroom boys are well known in the footballing circle to be some of the most thorough, calculated & scientific coaches in the game which as you know is very important these days.

Good old Warnock will be back & I wish him nothing but success. I love the fella brought some of the best times ever to QPR fans.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:29 pm

mark hughes is a decent manager and no doubt if he is backed in this transfer window he will keep qpr up comfortably

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:41 pm

Stan-QPR wrote:Think people are forgetting the Wales job was his first job in management & was effectively cutting his teeth.

Getting a shit Blackburn Rovers side to 6th in the Premier League & Europe, same with Fulham & Man city doesn't deserve a mention no? Hmmmmmmmm

Good manager with a good record & will keep us up.


Ah yes, Blackburn. No money spent, so the Legend of Hughes claims. £12m for Santa Cruz says otherwise. Nor were they that "shit" around that timeframe he took over.

Man City. Oh yes, that's the Man City with money we're talking about? Even before the current owners excesses, money was spent.

Fulham? Oh yes, he did a wonderful job at Fulham. You know, the Fulham who got to a European final having beaten from memory Juventus over two legs under an utterly shit manager called Hodgson, right? Hughes inherited a good squad there, and did precisely what?

You're nowhere near to Fulham's squad, quality wise. No wonder Hughes wants big money to spend. Good managers bring the best out of what they have.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:53 pm

nerd wrote:
valleycasual wrote:
couldn't agree more with your opinion on hughes stan, i dont get the slating he recieves on here. maybe he was a little naive with wales at times but that was his 1st managerial position, and he did ultimately get us one game away from qualification


A little naive?

Hughes playing his mates. Players well past their sell by date, like Hartson. Rigid 4-5-1, defend, look to play ball long and snatch a goal.

Russia away. 85th minute, hartson unsurprisingly out on his feet.

Do you bring on a) Earnie, who scored 19 goals in the Prem that season, to try to maybe get a vital away goal on the break or b) Nathan f*cking Blake.

Russia, home. Need to win, so play defensive 4-5-1. And bring Earnie on, playing him, errm, wide right.

And let's not forget Hughes f***ing off as soon as a prem club came around. Oh, but he wanted to hang around for the big England game.

Hughes is one of the most overrated managers around. Given his whining about how Mancini took over, he sure as hell got the QPR role pretty quickly after Colin was fired. And QPR are hardly the CL chasing team Hughes wanted.


Couldn't agree more :ayatollah:

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:10 pm

nerd wrote:
Stan-QPR wrote:Think people are forgetting the Wales job was his first job in management & was effectively cutting his teeth.

Getting a shit Blackburn Rovers side to 6th in the Premier League & Europe, same with Fulham & Man city doesn't deserve a mention no? Hmmmmmmmm

Good manager with a good record & will keep us up.


Ah yes, Blackburn. No money spent, so the Legend of Hughes claims. £12m for Santa Cruz says otherwise. Nor were they that "shit" around that timeframe he took over.

Man City. Oh yes, that's the Man City with money we're talking about? Even before the current owners excesses, money was spent.

Fulham? Oh yes, he did a wonderful job at Fulham. You know, the Fulham who got to a European final having beaten from memory Juventus over two legs under an utterly shit manager called Hodgson, right? Hughes inherited a good squad there, and did precisely what?

You're nowhere near to Fulham's squad, quality wise. No wonder Hughes wants big money to spend. Good managers bring the best out of what they have.


You talk so much shit its unreal. Haha

Blackburn when he took over were likely candidates for relegation he got them to the FA cup semi final. In his second season he got them into Europe by finishing 6th in the Premier League. Santa Cruz was £3.5m!!! NOT 12!!!

Got them to three succesive FA cup semi finals. finished 10th in his second season & 7th in his thrird season.

At City they finished 10th during a season of transition & got them to the quarter final of the UEFA Cup. City always wanted a big continental name when they took over & that was that.

Fulham he got into Europe & 8th place finish. Dress it up however you like those are the facts.

You proved how much shit you spoke during the Faurlin affair when you were telling anyone who'd listen we were gonna be docked 15 points & be denied promotion.... Oops!!! Hahaha still bitter?

Never mind son. X

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:12 am

Stan-QPR wrote:You talk so much shit its unreal. Haha

Blackburn when he took over were likely candidates for relegation he got them to the FA cup semi final. In his second season he got them into Europe by finishing 6th in the Premier League. Santa Cruz was £3.5m!!! NOT 12!!!


Yup, you're right about the fee - not sure how I got the figure so wrong, but...

Got them to three succesive FA cup semi finals. finished 10th in his second season & 7th in his thrird season.


Blackburn when he took over were one of those teams in a false position. Like Spurs when Redknapp took over. Did he do a decent job, sure. Great? No.

At City they finished 10th during a season of transition & got them to the quarter final of the UEFA Cup. City always wanted a big continental name when they took over & that was that.


Still received financial backing, had good players there. Must have been the desire for a foreigner and not 2 win in 11 Prem games at the end then.

]Fulham he got into Europe & 8th place finish. Dress it up however you like those are the facts.


The fact is he took over a Fulham team who had ALREADY got into Europe under Hodgson.

Hughes got Fulham into Europe? Disingenuous of you to really claim that. Care to point out how they got in under Hughes? Ah yes, through the Fair Play League. Not by gaining enough points to get a place on merit.

Still, that had to be progress over Hodgson, right?

Now, why did Hughes leave Fulham - given he resigned? "As a young, ambitious manager I wish to move on to further my experiences". Ah yes. Which is why he's been unemployed till your mob got him in.

You proved how much shit you spoke during the Faurlin affair when you were telling anyone who'd listen we were gonna be docked 15 points & be denied promotion.... Oops!!! Hahaha still bitter?


Nope.

I stated what should happen, my opinion, IF the charges were proven.

Sounds like you're just a sad troll backing your new managerial appointment, to be honest.

Here's his Prem record for you to furiously masterbate over.

TEAM FROM TO GAMES WON DRAWN LOST
Fulham 29 Jul, 2010 01 Jun, 2011 43 14 16 13
Man City 04 Jun, 2008 20 Dec, 2009 77 36 16 25
Blackburn 15 Sep, 2004 04 Jun, 2008 188 82 47 59

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:46 am

A sad troll is that the best you can do? Oh dearrrrr

Don't be so bitter. Hughes is regarded in the game as a very capable manager. We are only little old QPR so as far as we're concerned & most of British football for that matter we've got ourselves a very very good manager.

Life in the Premier League eh. Its great! :lol:

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:01 am

Stan-QPR wrote:A sad troll is that the best you can do? Oh dearrrrr

Don't be so bitter. Hughes is regarded in the game as a very capable manager. We are only little old QPR so as far as we're concerned & most of British football for that matter we've got ourselves a very very good manager.

Life in the Premier League eh. Its great! :lol:


He will certainly keep you up in my opinion but then I think Warnock would have.
Hughes will take you that extra step to midtable because of the money which most of which I think he will waste.

How long before Santa cruz signs?

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:14 am

Dunno about Santa Cruz but Brazilian wonderkid & world cup golden boot winner Henrique on the way ;-)

I think we'll be ok. Season starts now.

For the record Warnck would of took us down mate. It wasn't down to bad luck we were losing games it was shit tactics, players being played out of position, wrong substitutions & being out smarted every single week. I backed Warnock to the hilt but it was clear he has not got the minerals for Premier League football.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:05 am

You see more than me, just think the other teams are so poor than you would have managed.

Send jay back and I'd be more than happy.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:15 am

Would you have him back?

Seems like the majority on here were glad to be shot of him.

Talk of Celtic on loan for JB.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:19 am

Stan-QPR wrote:Would you have him back?

Seems like the majority on here were glad to be shot of him.

Talk of Celtic on loan for JB.

take him back in a second.

majority on here have delusions of grandeur

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 am

Stan-QPR wrote:A sad troll is that the best you can do? Oh dearrrrr


Grow up, kid.

Don't be so bitter. Hughes is regarded in the game as a very capable manager. We are only little old QPR so as far as we're concerned & most of British football for that matter we've got ourselves a very very good manager.


Maybe, but Hughes was unemployed for a year. He walked out on Fulham after an uninspiring record there, having inherited a decent squad from Hodgson. You can't even argue against that fact. I'm sure some regard Dave Jones as a very capable manager, the job offers aren't there for him.

Colin is indeed a wanker imo. He however got you into the Prem, you're above the relegation zone and deserved at least the full season. It's not his fault Taarabt is another Koumas - great in the Champ, not good enough for the Prem.

The Fulham bit for me was telling. Stable mid table side, money available, good squad.

I disagree with the "little old" bit, Sure, you're a small club in a big pond but if you always think that way... just think you could have seen the season out with Colin and then assessed the situation, looking for a good young progressive manager to bring new ideas to take you forward. Still, suppose that's what you get when you've a West Ham fan as chairman...

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:34 am

polo wrote:
Stan-QPR wrote:Would you have him back?

Seems like the majority on here were glad to be shot of him.

Talk of Celtic on loan for JB.

take him back in a second.

majority on here have delusions of grandeur


Jay has all the talent, not there mentally.

We saw it after the England cap, performances dropped, body language indicating not wanting to be here. Reading game where he shit out of a chance?

IF he sorted his head out, I'd take him back. The fact he seemed to believe he'd get another England cap when he only got one due to 9 strikers withdrawing shows where the delusions of grandeur lie.

I just don't believe he's the type of player Mackay would want; technical skill, quality wise yes. Application, workrate, team player,no.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:36 am

Nerd your point about Hughes being out for a year means nothing tbh.

How long was Martin O Neill out of managment? Or how about Alan Curbishley, Terry Venables, Kenny Dalglish? Does that make them poor managers then? Its not a valid point.

With regards to Warnock for fear of repeating myself we'll have to agree to disagree. As someone who goes to every game home & away I'd say I was in a much better position than yourself to judge on whether Warnock should of stayed or went. Trust me we were in free fall & he had to go. 1 home win since April says it all.

Getting us up was great but what are you gonna do go down & just say oh well? He made it clear QPR was gonna be his last job so we would of been in the shit. Delighted he's gone. Great guy but out of his depth big time.

Can see him pitching up at somewhere like Plymouth. A club close to his heart.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:19 pm

Take jay back ? Never in a million years. His attitude stinks. We are going forwards not backwards. And do I miss the likes of Chops and Jay ? Do I f**k !!

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:23 pm

Stan-QPR wrote:Nerd your point about Hughes being out for a year means nothing tbh.

How long was Martin O Neill out of managment? Or how about Alan Curbishley, Terry Venables, Kenny Dalglish? Does that make them poor managers then? Its not a valid point.


How many of those walked out of their employment seeking "new challenges"? O'Neill I've always thought was a product of hype more than anything - Wycombe, Leicester good jobs. After that, not been overly impressed. Win in Jockland in a 2 horse race?

Curbishley, again, think he's decent, not great. Venables? Product of hype - not to mention dodgy as hell. Dalglish did well in a flying Liverpool side years ago, now they are well of the pace in terms of the title. Some of his signings - Carroll for 35m then use him purely as a target man, whereas he dropped deeper with Newcastle?

But again, Hughes was the one who walked from Fulham. Maybe he felt his average record there would get him the sack sooner than later. Even so, Hughes has been looking for work ever since.

With regards to Warnock for fear of repeating myself we'll have to agree to disagree. As someone who goes to every game home & away I'd say I was in a much better position than yourself to judge on whether Warnock should of stayed or went. Trust me we were in free fall & he had to go. 1 home win since April says it all.


Maybe, but my point is more the guy got you back into the top division for the first time in what 15 seasons. Sacking now was a gamble, especially given you're not in the relegation spots. I can't stand Colin, as a person, but he did wonders for you over the last few seasons so at least earnt the opportunity to try to correct things.

Getting us up was great but what are you gonna do go down & just say oh well? He made it clear QPR was gonna be his last job so we would of been in the shit. Delighted he's gone. Great guy but out of his depth big time.


Well, that's an assumption you'd go down. As it stands, you wouldn't and imo there are at least three teams worse than you.
The sacking smacked of a knee jerk reaction, by an owner wanting immediate success and a "name" as manager. We did the opposite with Jones, giving far too much time, but patience can be rewarded. After all, there's a team in Salford who were close to sacking their manager, gave him the opportunity to try to turn things around.Not sure how that worked out.

Fernandes has today apparently said there's no guarantee Hughes won't be sacked if you do relegate. Well, in that instance, you can't blame Colin - he's gone whilst you're safe after all. Then what situation are you in? relegated, burning through two managers in a season having to change things yet again.

I'd say as an outsider looking at your club you need to be taking a good look at Fernandes in that instance. If he's convinced Hughes is the manager, you back him and give him time.

Can see him pitching up at somewhere like Plymouth. A club close to his heart.


Suspect he'll retire tbh.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:03 pm

Mark Hughes as manager is very overrated in my opinion. Killed any hope Wales beat Russia in the play-off with his negative tactics and does not really do much with Blackburn, Manchester City and Fulham.

Re: " MARK HUGHES "

Mon May 07, 2012 7:08 am

Mark Hughes almost destroyed Wales it took a stubborn toshack to get us back on track and Gary sped rip to bring back the pride.