" THE MARK HUDSON DEBATE "

Hold on - I thought Carl said he's not out of contract this summer?

Oh I thought he said Gerrard and Hudson were out of contract at the end of the season and why we may be looking at morgan

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Carl
Hudson this year under Malky has been first class. Has he made mistakes? Yes he has and as a quality defender Malky knows his limitations. Pace is the key to any defender and both our centre backs do struggle against pace. MM will know this and may want to sweep clean all DJ's signings?

For me I would let him go. He has brought the club on and his efforts off the pitch have been first class so if he does go I would like to thank him for what he has brought to the club and wish him well for the future. If he moves on and returns to play against us we should welcome him back and give him a cheer when his name is read out by Ali

Hold on - I thought Carl said he's not out of contract this summer?

Oh I thought he said Gerrard and Hudson were out of contract at the end of the season and why we may be looking at morgan

Carl did mention he made a mistake in regards to Gerrard being out of contract at the end of the season.

Ah fair enough, only seen the one message

I sill think MM is looking for another CB and I get the feeling he isn't a Gerrard fan.

Ah fair enough, only seen the one message

I sill think MM is looking for another CB and I get the feeling he isn't a Gerrard fan.

Yeh I kinda agree with that....but at the same time, I think he may wait till the summer, because defence is not really a priority compared to midfield and forwards, which really needs some strength in depth. Unless a stupid offer comes in for Gerrard and the fee can be used to get another CB.

Hudsons a dodgy one... can be class on his day but very prone to mistakes and Turner saves his arse countless time. I'm very critical of Hudson's performances on times and really do question why he is actually captain when there are more deserving players who should be selected for the role. I agree with annis i'd give him another year! If he doesn't want to stay try and attempt to sell him in the transfer window as his contracts running out soon.

Carl
Hudson this year under Malky has been first class. Has he made mistakes? Yes he has and as a quality defender Malky knows his limitations. Pace is the key to any defender and both our centre backs do struggle against pace. MM will know this and may want to sweep clean all DJ's signings?

For me I would let him go. He has brought the club on and his efforts off the pitch have been first class so if he does go I would like to thank him for what he has brought to the club and wish him well for the future. If he moves on and returns to play against us we should welcome him back and give him a cheer when his name is read out by Ali

Hudson obviously struggles against pace but Turner? IMO he does not, and as I've pointed out already in this thread, I definitely recall that he matched Kebe for pace at one point in the second half yesterday; I'm sure of it.

Hudsons a dodgy one... can be class on his day but very prone to mistakes and Turner saves his arse countless time. I'm very critical of Hudson's performances on times and really do question why he is actually captain when there are more deserving players who should be selected for the role. I agree with annis i'd give him another year! If he doesn't want to stay try and attempt to sell him in the transfer window as his contracts running out soon.

He may well have saved Hudson's arse on a few occasions, but I'm sure Hudson has done the same on countless occasions previously (as in other team-mates, not Turner, but I'm sure the time will come when he has to save Turner's arse!).

I can't think of a better leader at the club at the moment than him. McPhail has been captain before and done fine, but Hudson is a centre-half and the majority of captains are centre-halves, as it's the perfect position to view the game from, if you get what I mean. McNaughton has never struck me as a natural leader though; allowing him to get on with his own game is the way to go with regard to him IMO. But we miss Hudson when he's not there; just take a look at the end of last season. The 3-0 catastrophe at home to Middlesbrough is a perfect case in point. Nobody acted as an organiser, did they? I never saw Keinan or even McNaughton 'rally the troops'.

I think Malkys waiting until later on becuase he wants to have a better view on if we are going to be in the Premiership next year.
If we are I reckon we'll keep him, with more money to pay his wages, But if we dont get promoted, unfortunately I think he'll be gone. Its a shame because he is a quality defender IMO. Hopefully he'll take a wage drop, £14,000 is a bit steep

I'm a Hudson fan and can't stand all those who jump on the bandwagon of tirelessly berating him. They know who they are. He makes mistakes, as do all footballers (Reina for Liverpool last night), and sadly, sometimes they cost us. Didn't Whitts make a mistake on Monday leading to a Reading goal? Lets win as a team and take the knocks as a team. I'll leave the financial issues to the club as what he's on is nothing to do with me.

One thing I would say, Was Morgan makes Mark Hudson look like Franz Beckenbaur for those old enough to remember. Be careful what you wish for.

IMWT

i think if we can get him down to 10k a week its a must to keep him

Never was a hudson fan me. but hes been brilliant
over the last 12 months. he is prone to the odd lapse
but maybe thats why he never made the premiership

obviously hes not getting any younger and it would
Make sense to be thinking of a replacement somewhere
along the line.

But right now? Hats off to the bloke for sticking it to
his critics - and i include myself as one - there aren't
many centre backs in this division playing better!!!

For some reason City fans seem to like to have a fall guy and despite his excellent performances in more than a few games this season and last year, sometimes it just ain't enough.

Personally I think Hudson is a very good defender but admit that he does make the odd mistake but he is definitely a trier.

What I would like to know is, the fact that Hudson is now able to talk to other clubs as his contract runs out this June and there has been no talk in the press of a renewed contract, do you believe that Hudson will be a City player next season?

He is obviously preferred over Gerrard, who has another year to run on his contract after this season (my mistake last week when I read elsewhere that he is out of contract in June and posted it on here), but will Malky go after another Centre Half in this transfer window?

I would say keep him but try and get his wages down but if there is no joy down that route, go and get a footballing centre half on lesser wages.

Time to go and recoup some of the extortianate amount we paid for him, from some other sucker!

He's average, he's not a leader and he will do a good job in Division 1 - which is where he should have gone with Charlton!

I have to say Mark Hudson has been very good this season but as most have said he is prone to mistakes and is more likely to make mistakes against powerful and pacey attackers. Marvin Sordell at Watford being the lastest example of how he struggles against pace.

MM did try to get Luke Chambers in the summer and as he is out of contract in the summer I still believe he is a longterm target for MM. The fact he made an offer for Chambers means that he fills the managers criteria for players he wants at our club.

This is not good news for Mark Hudson in respect of being a regular in the first team, but with Gypes on his way in the summer and the club doing it'sbest to move on Keinan in this window perhaps MH will get a contract extension, how long for is anyones guess but he will only be 30 in March so he isn't "Old".

I am surprised the club hasn't offered him a contract extension but how long would he want or accept, 2 years minimum I would think. Would he accept that or would he be looking for longer? money would also be a big consideration as he is a big earner and we may get better value elsewhere. Luke Chambers being an example.

I also thought Gerrard and Marshall were in the last year on their contracts as both are now in their 3rd year at the club, if they do have a year left surely they are players we need to be etting to sign on the dotted line.

I think wether we are in the premiership or championship could determine wether he'll stay with us or not. I have never really criticised him for anything and I think his work rate, experience and ability to be captain makes him a great player. He has had great games but has had games where he wasn't on the best of days (I'm talking Brighton at home). But I'm sure we can all remember how he saved us countless times in the away sw****a game last year. I would be happy to offer him a 2-year-contract extension.

Never was a hudson fan me. but hes been brilliant
over the last 12 months. he is prone to the odd lapse
but maybe thats why he never made the premiership

obviously hes not getting any younger and it would
Make sense to be thinking of a replacement somewhere
along the line.

But right now? Hats off to the bloke for sticking it to
his critics - and i include myself as one - there aren't
many centre backs in this division playing better!!!

Dont forget, hes only 29, he could make the Premiership yet!

I cant understand why people slate Huds
Him and Turner have formed a stern partnership, best since Roger and Loovens imo
Of course he deserves one more year
Yes he makes mistakes, name one centre half in the world that doesn't ?!

He reads the game better than most
In the league and what he lacks in pace he gains in his Defensive mind

I like Hudson and really think he's underated i have seen him make numerous defensive headers and countless blocks during a game and then have one lapse and everybody wants to crucify him Name any player that doesn't make a mistake during a game both Super Kev against Brighton and Whitts against Reading made mistakes which cost us a goal but it happens to the best see Reinia lat night

With regards to a new contract i think we would have to wait until the summer because if we got promoted i don't know if he would be good enough for the Premiership although might be decent back up, if however we were still in the Championship then i would give him a 2 year contract but on a max of 10K pw and to be honest i couldn't see him getting a much better offer elsewhere?

In the meanwhile he's having a very good season and has someone else said win, draw or lose we do it has a team and we should stop looking for scapegoats and back all our players

Id keep Hudson, think he's been brilliant this season. He seems to win every header he goes for and alongside Turner and with Marshall in goal this season we have looked more solid at the back than we have in years.

As mentioned above though if he is on 14k allthough that is a bit high but the way he's played this season id say he's worth it.

Off the pitch he still takes the leader/captain's role. Was on the the players tour when they visited the Children's Hospital of Wales. Hudson was the loudest & always getting the other players up, smiling & to approach the kids, never saying no to any requests.

Some may fault him on the pitch, in the public eye he can't be!

Why the thread ? we should be given support to all of our players, yes get frustrated during the game, get annoyed, get angry and yes he makes mistakes and I suppose he will make another one before the season is out, as will all of our players at one time or another, the buck stops at the top the manager and if he his happy with him to start then so am I.
Imagine if it was Hudson who gave the ball to Kebe on Monday there would have been uproar. So lets please stop singling out players, if some fans had thier way Earnie would have been in front of Millar, but Malky knew better.

Trust in Malky

Hudson is a cart horse everyone with two eyes and a brain knows this,We signed the guy from a relegated team with the worst defence from the prem to the confrence that year and he played 96% of there games bar few cup games he was in there side for them every game that year as skipper that told me all i needed to know when mr last hurdle failer DJ signed the slug. I know other 6ft4 center halfs who can head/tackle better than him and thats sunday league stuff as thats all hudson can do

Hudson is a cart horse everyone with two eyes and a brain knows this,We signed the guy from a relegated team with the worst defence from the prem to the confrence that year and he played 96% of there games bar few cup games he was in there side for them every game that year as skipper that told me all i needed to know when mr last hurdle failer DJ signed the slug. I know other 6ft4 center halfs who can head/tackle better than him and thats sunday league stuff as thats all hudson can do

How thick are you?

Hudson is a cart horse everyone with two eyes and a brain knows this,We signed the guy from a relegated team with the worst defence from the prem to the confrence that year and he played 96% of there games bar few cup games he was in there side for them every game that year as skipper that told me all i needed to know when mr last hurdle failer DJ signed the slug. I know other 6ft4 center halfs who can head/tackle better than him and thats sunday league stuff as thats all hudson can do

You do realise he had 7 different partners in that Charlton defence.

2 years earlier he'd played centre half in the Palace team that went up.

he's played 100 times for us, so really we've had enough time to see him and judge him for ourselves.

I'm probably one of those centre halfs you talk about as I'm 6 ft 2 and played centre half about 300 times in local leagues, with a reasonable amount of success. On that basis I reckon, along with Jones, Mackay, Warnock, Dowie, Taylor, Curbishley etc.. who've all picked him, he's a decent centre half and has done a great job for us.

Now he's playing with Turner we've had a phenomenal defensive run -conceding 7 in 14. We couldn't have done that if he was as bad as you make out.

Get rid and bring back Andy Kerr and Carlton Leonard

I am a Hudson fan and whilst I agree he does make the odd mistake, there isn't one player ona football pitch who doesn't make a mistake

Unfortunately goalkeepers and defenders mistakes get punished and hence remembered!

I'd hope we keep him but do agree that we should look to cut a few grand off the wages.......we do however need to balance this with the fact that he could leave on a free and we may have to fork out money for a replacement so you do need to consider this when reviewing what wages he gets offered

Im a hudson fan, yes he is not the quickest, but his positional play is usually good and he gets
countless blocks and headers in.
Yes he makes the odd f**k up but so do most championship players. if he was error free he would be playing champions league.

His problem imo he was signed as rogers replacement for a mil plus big wages and
people were expecting another roger. He didnt have a brilliant start and even though hes been solid for a good season and half now people just hark back to his bad points whenever he makes an error.

He can be class on his day but he does make some bad mistakes in games. I wouldn't want him to go though.

Never rated Hudson one bit, the only decent game I have ever seen him play was against Leicester away in the Play Off game. I cannot believe that he's on 14,000 a week.

Iv not been to many games recently as im travelling but in the games I have seen he's not worth 14,000 a week!!

Hudson is a cart horse everyone with two eyes and a brain knows this,We signed the guy from a relegated team with the worst defence from the prem to the confrence that year and he played 96% of there games bar few cup games he was in there side for them every game that year as skipper that told me all i needed to know when mr last hurdle failer DJ signed the slug. I know other 6ft4 center halfs who can head/tackle better than him and thats sunday league stuff as thats all hudson can do

How thick are you?

It does not make me think these are facts and how it is,So your pittfull non contructive half hearted come back sentence makes you the thick one