BRITISH POLITICS QUESTION

ok get rid of government throw all the party leaders in prison
create a law to stop people from disagreeing with the government
Hitler did it he threw all his political opposition in prison calling them enemies of the state
your not getting it are you
everything your saying
voting against the government
protesting against government
using political opposition all rests on having rights that are above the government
otherwise there would be nothing you could do
eradicating the human rights bill would give more power to terrorists and no power to an innocent population.

With comments like that it just shows that your liberial arguement is completely flawed in this day and age

how argue against
if you want to live in a totalitarian state you carry on
but if you get what you want ill go to Afghanistan and claim political asylum there because they would have more rights in there than i would in Britain

No worries, if you want a taxi to the airport then let me know

i still cant see you arguing against my point though
but as things stand i have nothing to fear
if you get what your proposing im scared as should you be

But isn't the problem with the Human Rights Act the interpretation it is given by the Judges?

At the present time they conclude that a foreign terrorist or criminals have a 'right' to a 'family life' which is deemed more important than the Human Right of everyone else in society to be protected from these nutters.

As MG said in Austrailia you would be deported no matter what once you have committed a criminal offence. Hear you get a soft sentence and a life on disability benefits even after you have kicked 'the family' out.

The interpretation has to be changed so that the Human Rights of everyone else is considered also and not just that of the criminal or terrorist.

the right to a family life has one meaning you have the right to get married, the right to have children
it doesnt say anything about having a wholesome family life
otherwise every woman who wanted a divorce wouldnt have a leg to stand when the husband gives his right to a family life
why this country lets them get away with it i dont know.
Youre human rights are your protected rights as a human being regardless of your worldly actions
giving away your human rights is the single most dangerous thing you can do

I think the Judicial interpretation is based on if the criminal/terrorist was forcably deported he would lose his 'right' to a family life.

However, I must congratulate you on your interpretation above because to me that makes much more sense.

well the way i see it is
say you had a debilitating genetic disease
infact ill make it more simple
if you had asthma
without the right to family life
a government could say you cant get married or you cant have children because you have asthma
we could make it worse you cant have kids because your the wrong colour you follow the wrong religion
that is what your human rights are for

ok get rid of government throw all the party leaders in prison
create a law to stop people from disagreeing with the government
Hitler did it he threw all his political opposition in prison calling them enemies of the state
your not getting it are you
everything your saying
voting against the government
protesting against government
using political opposition all rests on having rights that are above the government
otherwise there would be nothing you could do
eradicating the human rights bill would give more power to terrorists and no power to an innocent population.

With comments like that it just shows that your liberial arguement is completely flawed in this day and age

how argue against
if you want to live in a totalitarian state you carry on
but if you get what you want ill go to Afghanistan and claim political asylum there because they would have more rights in there than i would in Britain

No worries, if you want a taxi to the airport then let me know

i still cant see you arguing against my point though
but as things stand i have nothing to fear
if you get what your proposing im scared as should you be

I'm not scared as I welcome modernising many bills which include Human rights. I also know that if I don't like any bills then I would vote for a party which would agree with me. Unfortunately if thast party doesn't get elected then its just hard luck but thats democracy for you. Its not ideal but its better than anything else out there at the moment.

yes but how are you planning to use your rights if you dont have any
your still not getting it
if the government directly control your rights
as your proposing
they can change your rights without even asking you
in effect not having any rights because they wouldnt be worth the paper they are written on
and this government might re-legislate with the best of intentions but what about the next government or the government after that
opposition government wouldnt have any rights
this is exactly why our government was created in the first place to stop our monarch having totalitarian powers
now your proposing to reverse centuries of work and give total power anyone who can worm their way to the top

i still cant see you arguing against my point though
but as things stand i have nothing to fear
if you get what your proposing im scared as should you be

I'm not scared as I welcome modernising many bills which include Human rights. I also know that if I don't like any bills then I would vote for a party which would agree with me. Unfortunately if thast party doesn't get elected then its just hard luck but thats democracy for you. Its not ideal but its better than anything else out there at the moment.

yes but how are you planning to use your rights if you dont have any
your still not getting it
if the government directly control your rights
as your proposing
they can change your rights without even asking you
in effect not having any rights because they wouldnt be worth the paper they are written on
and this government might re-legislate with the best of intentions but what about the next government or the government after that
opposition government wouldnt have any rights
this is exactly why our government was created in the first place to stop our monarch having totalitarian powers
now your proposing to reverse centuries of work and give total power anyone who can worm their way to the top[/quote]

Of course Im getting it but you seem to be accepting that the government will refuse to accept any forum of public consultation if they ever brought in new laws and it just wont happen.[/quote]

well if we have a government that listens great we can carry on with the status quo
but what do you do if they turn their back on you
what do you do if they say we are not going to listen to you anymore
this involves a lot of trust
which involves trust you shouldnt be giving them
its like asking a peodophile to baby sit your kids

i still cant see you arguing against my point though
but as things stand i have nothing to fear
if you get what your proposing im scared as should you be

I'm not scared as I welcome modernising many bills which include Human rights. I also know that if I don't like any bills then I would vote for a party which would agree with me. Unfortunately if thast party doesn't get elected then its just hard luck but thats democracy for you. Its not ideal but its better than anything else out there at the moment.

yes but how are you planning to use your rights if you dont have any
your still not getting it
if the government directly control your rights
as your proposing
they can change your rights without even asking you
in effect not having any rights because they wouldnt be worth the paper they are written on
and this government might re-legislate with the best of intentions but what about the next government or the government after that
opposition government wouldnt have any rights
this is exactly why our government was created in the first place to stop our monarch having totalitarian powers
now your proposing to reverse centuries of work and give total power anyone who can worm their way to the top

Of course Im getting it but you seem to be accepting that the government will refuse to accept any forum of public consultation if they ever brought in new laws and it just wont happen.

well if we have a government that listens great we can carry on with the status quo
but what do you do if they turn their back on you
what do you do if they say we are not going to listen to you anymore
this involves a lot of trust
which involves trust you shouldnt be giving them
its like asking a peodophile to baby sit your kids[/quote]

After what the 'Fib Dems' have done with the student fees I can see before long it being law that any controling parties have to by law keep to their manifesto promises.

With regards to your other comment, of course I get it but we just disagree.[/quote]

well thats not a bad idea
something to think about
in the lib dems defence they didnt win the election so they werent honour bound to carry out their policies with the coalition the lib dems have had to give up some of their policies as well as the conservatives maybe student fees were one they had to give up

i still cant see you arguing against my point though
but as things stand i have nothing to fear
if you get what your proposing im scared as should you be

I'm not scared as I welcome modernising many bills which include Human rights. I also know that if I don't like any bills then I would vote for a party which would agree with me. Unfortunately if thast party doesn't get elected then its just hard luck but thats democracy for you. Its not ideal but its better than anything else out there at the moment.

yes but how are you planning to use your rights if you dont have any
your still not getting it
if the government directly control your rights
as your proposing
they can change your rights without even asking you
in effect not having any rights because they wouldnt be worth the paper they are written on
and this government might re-legislate with the best of intentions but what about the next government or the government after that
opposition government wouldnt have any rights
this is exactly why our government was created in the first place to stop our monarch having totalitarian powers
now your proposing to reverse centuries of work and give total power anyone who can worm their way to the top

Of course Im getting it but you seem to be accepting that the government will refuse to accept any forum of public consultation if they ever brought in new laws and it just wont happen.

well if we have a government that listens great we can carry on with the status quo
but what do you do if they turn their back on you
what do you do if they say we are not going to listen to you anymore
this involves a lot of trust
which involves trust you shouldnt be giving them
its like asking a peodophile to baby sit your kids

After what the 'Fib Dems' have done with the student fees I can see before long it being law that any controling parties have to by law keep to their manifesto promises.

With regards to your other comment, of course I get it but we just disagree.

well thats not a bad idea
something to think about
in the lib dems defence they didnt win the election so they werent honour bound to carry out their policies with the coalition the lib dems have had to give up some of their policies as well as the conservatives maybe student fees were one they had to give up[/quote]

Well maybe within that law abiding manifesto should be a comment by each pledge whether or not they would be willing to drop if they are ever in a coalition so at least the public know the information beforehand.[/quote]

write to your MP lol

After what the 'Fib Dems' have done with the student fees I can see before long it being law that any controling parties have to by law keep to their manifesto promises.

With regards to your other comment, of course I get it but we just disagree.

well thats not a bad idea
something to think about
in the lib dems defence they didnt win the election so they werent honour bound to carry out their policies with the coalition the lib dems have had to give up some of their policies as well as the conservatives maybe student fees were one they had to give up

Well maybe within that law abiding manifesto should be a comment by each pledge whether or not they would be willing to drop if they are ever in a coalition so at least the public know the information beforehand.[/quote]

write to your MP lol[/quote]

lol, do you fancy doing a joint letter as it shows that after a few hours of debating people with different views can find some middle ground [/quote]

that would depend on who your MP is mine is Madeline Moon

After what the 'Fib Dems' have done with the student fees I can see before long it being law that any controling parties have to by law keep to their manifesto promises.

With regards to your other comment, of course I get it but we just disagree.

well thats not a bad idea
something to think about
in the lib dems defence they didnt win the election so they werent honour bound to carry out their policies with the coalition the lib dems have had to give up some of their policies as well as the conservatives maybe student fees were one they had to give up

Well maybe within that law abiding manifesto should be a comment by each pledge whether or not they would be willing to drop if they are ever in a coalition so at least the public know the information beforehand.

write to your MP lol

lol, do you fancy doing a joint letter as it shows that after a few hours of debating people with different views can find some middle ground [/quote]

that would depend on who your MP is mine is Madeline Moon[/quote]

Well what the hell, lets write to Cameron and Clegg instead and see what response we get. If you want we'll do a copy of the letter to Jones to see if the WAG would consider putting similar laws into place as their recent moves with the health budget is just as hurtful then the Lib Dems and their change of mind on the student fees.[/quote]

except i hope they dont change their mind the way our finances are at the moment the collapse of the student fees policy is a saving grace

After what the 'Fib Dems' have done with the student fees I can see before long it being law that any controling parties have to by law keep to their manifesto promises.

With regards to your other comment, of course I get it but we just disagree.

well thats not a bad idea
something to think about
in the lib dems defence they didnt win the election so they werent honour bound to carry out their policies with the coalition the lib dems have had to give up some of their policies as well as the conservatives maybe student fees were one they had to give up

Well maybe within that law abiding manifesto should be a comment by each pledge whether or not they would be willing to drop if they are ever in a coalition so at least the public know the information beforehand.

write to your MP lol

lol, do you fancy doing a joint letter as it shows that after a few hours of debating people with different views can find some middle ground

that would depend on who your MP is mine is Madeline Moon

Well what the hell, lets write to Cameron and Clegg instead and see what response we get. If you want we'll do a copy of the letter to Jones to see if the WAG would consider putting similar laws into place as their recent moves with the health budget is just as hurtful then the Lib Dems and their change of mind on the student fees.[/quote]

except i hope they dont change their mind the way our finances are at the moment the collapse of the student fees policy is a saving grace[/quote]

Hey my bigger worry is giving Annis the credit because two of his forum members have helped change politics in this country for the better!!!! [/quote]

i wouldnt go that far
its were not in the house of commons

Well maybe within that law abiding manifesto should be a comment by each pledge whether or not they would be willing to drop if they are ever in a coalition so at least the public know the information beforehand.

write to your MP lol

lol, do you fancy doing a joint letter as it shows that after a few hours of debating people with different views can find some middle ground [/quote]

that would depend on who your MP is mine is Madeline Moon[/quote]

Well what the hell, lets write to Cameron and Clegg instead and see what response we get. If you want we'll do a copy of the letter to Jones to see if the WAG would consider putting similar laws into place as their recent moves with the health budget is just as hurtful then the Lib Dems and their change of mind on the student fees.[/quote]

except i hope they dont change their mind the way our finances are at the moment the collapse of the student fees policy is a saving grace[/quote]

Hey my bigger worry is giving Annis the credit because two of his forum members have helped change politics in this country for the better!!!! [/quote]

i wouldnt go that far
its were not in the house of commons[/quote]

Hey if we get a 100,000 signatures on the number 10 website then they'd have to debate it. Surely if a petition is worded right and gets the right support then you never know.[/quote]

got to get them out to vote in elections first thats more important

I'm failing to see how the hr act is going to dramatically resolve our fragile economy as you claim jonny! This is all way way way down the list of this countries priorities right now, If any politician Saudi hr act was going to sort out all of our problems they would be slaughtered, and rightly so.

I'm failing to see how the hr act is going to dramatically resolve our fragile economy as you claim jonny! This is all way way way down the list of this countries priorities right now, If any politician Saudi hr act was going to sort out all of our problems they would be slaughtered, and rightly so.

im not saying it will, i never said it would you obviously havent read my posts.
good economics will save us from our fragile economy.
but human rights and civil liberties should be the top of your priorities because without them you no longer have the right to be human and the state can rape and murder you as and when it chooses without these rights the world becomes a very scary place

I'm failing to see how the hr act is going to dramatically resolve our fragile economy as you claim jonny! This is all way way way down the list of this countries priorities right now, If any politician Saudi hr act was going to sort out all of our problems they would be slaughtered, and rightly so.

im not saying it will, i never said it would you obviously havent read my posts.
good economics will save us from our fragile economy.
but human rights and civil liberties should be the top of your priorities because without them you no longer have the right to be human and the state can rape and murder you as and when it chooses without these rights the world becomes a very scary place

Right now hr shouldn't be anywhere near the top of our priorities, yes it's important but the average British person is getting smashed on a daily basis by the economy, the human rights act has little effect on them on a day to day basis. We need to tackle the economy before side issues like hr! If a party got elected and then put all their efforts into hr then we may as well shut this place down! Human rights are important but having a job and being able to support your family is more important than anything else! Once that is rectified then we can all start talking about secondary issues!

I'm failing to see how the hr act is going to dramatically resolve our fragile economy as you claim jonny! This is all way way way down the list of this countries priorities right now, If any politician Saudi hr act was going to sort out all of our problems they would be slaughtered, and rightly so.

im not saying it will, i never said it would you obviously havent read my posts.
good economics will save us from our fragile economy.
but human rights and civil liberties should be the top of your priorities because without them you no longer have the right to be human and the state can rape and murder you as and when it chooses without these rights the world becomes a very scary place

Right now hr shouldn't be anywhere near the top of our priorities, yes it's important but the average British person is getting smashed on a daily basis by the economy, the human rights act has little effect on them on a day to day basis. We need to tackle the economy before side issues like hr! If a party got elected and then put all their efforts into hr then we may as well shut this place down! Human rights are important but having a job and being able to support your family is more important than anything else! Once that is rectified then we can all start talking about secondary issues!

no both are equally as important
recessions and booms come and go
but once you lose your rights you lose them forever and will never get them back and without them this country will be thrown back to the dark ages and before Magna Carta
there is nothing more important than your human rights and citizens should be ever vigilant to ensure the state doesnt destroy them

Jonny - your stance on human rights is admirable but on a daily basis they have no affect on
The average man in the street. Throughout time we've survived without a hr act, people can't survive without a job or money in their pockets! I agree with some of what you say but completely disagree that any political party should be focussing on this as a priority! The priority has to be the economy! What good are human rights if you can't afford shelter or food?

Jonny - your stance on human rights is admirable but on a daily basis they have no affect on
The average man in the street. Throughout time we've survived without a hr act, people can't survive without a job or money in their pockets! I agree with some of what you say but completely disagree that any political party should be focussing on this as a priority! The priority has to be the economy! What good are human rights if you can't afford shelter or food?

yes they do the fact that you dont think it doesnt effect your daily life is a testament to how well they work
you wouldnt have a job or have money without human rights
the right to life
freedom from slavery
right to a fair trial
freedom of speech
freedom of thought, conscience and religion
without these your nothing
you cease to exist

Jonny - come on!!!! People have had jobs and money for thousands of years without a sniff of the human rights act!

We are obviously worlds apart on this matter Jonny but I respect your opinion, we will have to agree to disagree, especially during this season of good will to all men! Been a pleasure having a reasoned debate with you, hope you and your family have a merry Xmas, topped off by 3 points on boxing day

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

Why not vote Monster Raving Looney?

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

Why not vote Monster Raving Looney?

They wear dafter clothes than Hassidic jews, radical Muslims and Catholic nuns!!

No room for Adidas Stockholms in a Monster Raving Loony world

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

Why not vote Monster Raving Looney?

They wear dafter clothes than Hassidic jews, radical Muslims and Catholic nuns!!

No room for Adidas Stockholms in a Monster Raving Loony world

But it'll be better than the ruling parties.

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

Why not vote Monster Raving Looney?

They wear dafter clothes than Hassidic jews, radical Muslims and Catholic nuns!!

No room for Adidas Stockholms in a Monster Raving Loony world

But it'll be better than the ruling parties.

It wouldnt be any worse mate

But i wanna wear my trainers!!!!

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

Why not vote Monster Raving Looney?

They wear dafter clothes than Hassidic jews, radical Muslims and Catholic nuns!!

No room for Adidas Stockholms in a Monster Raving Loony world

But it'll be better than the ruling parties.

It wouldnt be any worse mate

But i wanna wear my trainers!!!!

But I wanna own 100 metres of France and watch the Simpsons in school and have a 99p coin!

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

Why not vote Monster Raving Looney?

They wear dafter clothes than Hassidic jews, radical Muslims and Catholic nuns!!

No room for Adidas Stockholms in a Monster Raving Loony world

But it'll be better than the ruling parties.

It wouldnt be any worse mate

But i wanna wear my trainers!!!!

But I wanna own 100 metres of France and watch the Simpsons in school and have a 99p coin!

The worlds your oyster kid

The worlds your oyster kid

Hey, we are free to go anywhere.

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

how do you have human rights if know one bothers to protect them
your post is filled with idiotic statements
not bothering to vote - your throwing away a right people in other countries are willing to die for
human rights act should be abolished and we should rely on social conscience - your talking tripe
social conscience is dictated by whatever is acceptable at the time
if you abolish the human rights act you dont have any human rights
if your happy to live in a world where the man with the biggest stick wins this country would have been a muslim country a long time ago
and if torture in other countries is acceptable it wont be long before its acceptable in this country
and if you think a western sense of morals will save you one of the biggest breakers of the human rights bill in modern history is America
I dont always agree with your posts but normally you do have an interesting point but this is just pure ignorance

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

how do you have human rights if know one bothers to protect them
your post is filled with idiotic statements
not bothering to vote - your throwing away a right people in other countries are willing to die for
human rights act should be abolished and we should rely on social conscience - your talking tripe
social conscience is dictated by whatever is acceptable at the time
if you abolish the human rights act you dont have any human rights
if your happy to live in a world where the man with the biggest stick wins this country would have been a muslim country a long time ago
and if torture in other countries is acceptable it wont be long before its acceptable in this country
and if you think a western sense of morals will save you one of the biggest breakers of the human rights bill in modern history is America
I dont always agree with your posts but normally you do have an interesting point but this is just pure ignorance

BOLLOCKS!!!

I dont pick on any political party, they are all liars. All of them. So my choice not to
vote is not an idiotic one... i do not then come back and stick up for ANY party. As
you say, I have a right to vote or not to vote.

Human rights act?? Do one!

There was no Human Rights act in Britain up until Blair smiled the fucker in.

there was British Law. It did quite fine thank you. There were obviously glaring
mistakes, injustices, cover-ups. Happens in every Country in the World, always
will.

Torture in Britain? Of course some fuckers will have done it. But on the whole we
are a Country with pretty strong moral values and the masses will never stand for
it.

are you seriously suggesting that this f*cking act stopped a shocking moral decline
in Great Britain. How hypocritical could that possibly be???

Our Prime Minister signing up to an act because Britain cannot be trusted to do the
right thing off its own back?? Signing up, sat next to Germans, Italians, Serbians and
Croats.

Human Rights are what we all expect, and deserve to have protected. I never saw people
leaving Britain in droves before the farce (sorry, the ACT) came in. We were ok thanks.

NOW... Foreign murderers, terrorists and rapists are STAYING in droves because the
wishy washy Euro loving wankers in the Labour Party (AND the tory's on the other side
of the house) signed up to a joke

As to the original theme of this thread...

I would never EVER have voted Tory. But Labour shat all over the Armed Forces
then sent them to war with shit kit, shit food, shit money and told us all how
much they valued the lads. So i voted Tory, who promised to back 'our boys'...
what a load of bollocks - lying cunts

I'll never vote again. Cos whoever gets in is just telling the same lies with a
different coloured tie.

As for the Human Rights debate on here?

What a load of shite

We ALL have Human Rights, we dont need some c**t in Brussels to tell us how we
should treat a fellow Human Being. The Human Rights Act should be abolished and
our social conscience will look after those deserving of protection.

Terrorists will NEVER be deported from this country because by default they all come
from Countries lacking in OUR moral values and sense of fair play...

Well tough shit!

If your a Syrian, if you commit terrorist acts in Britain and there is some salivating
torturer waiting for you back in your home Country...

Best of luck. Not our problem. You had it good here, you chose to be a c**t. Goodbye
and sorry about your fingernails/kneecaps and testicles

how do you have human rights if know one bothers to protect them
your post is filled with idiotic statements
not bothering to vote - your throwing away a right people in other countries are willing to die for
human rights act should be abolished and we should rely on social conscience - your talking tripe
social conscience is dictated by whatever is acceptable at the time
if you abolish the human rights act you dont have any human rights
if your happy to live in a world where the man with the biggest stick wins this country would have been a muslim country a long time ago
and if torture in other countries is acceptable it wont be long before its acceptable in this country
and if you think a western sense of morals will save you one of the biggest breakers of the human rights bill in modern history is America
I dont always agree with your posts but normally you do have an interesting point but this is just pure ignorance

BOLLOCKS!!!

I dont pick on any political party, they are all liars. All of them. So my choice not to
vote is not an idiotic one... i do not then come back and stick up for ANY party. As
you say, I have a right to vote or not to vote.

Human rights act?? Do one!

There was no Human Rights act in Britain up until Blair smiled the fucker in.

there was British Law. It did quite fine thank you. There were obviously glaring
mistakes, injustices, cover-ups. Happens in every Country in the World, always
will.

Torture in Britain? Of course some fuckers will have done it. But on the whole we
are a Country with pretty strong moral values and the masses will never stand for
it.

are you seriously suggesting that this f*cking act stopped a shocking moral decline
in Great Britain. How hypocritical could that possibly be???

Our Prime Minister signing up to an act because Britain cannot be trusted to do the
right thing off its own back?? Signing up, sat next to Germans, Italians, Serbians and
Croats.

Human Rights are what we all expect, and deserve to have protected. I never saw people
leaving Britain in droves before the farce (sorry, the ACT) came in. We were ok thanks.

NOW... Foreign murderers, terrorists and rapists are STAYING in droves because the
wishy washy Euro loving wankers in the Labour Party (AND the tory's on the other side
of the house) signed up to a joke

well what you expect and what you actually get are two different things
and id do your homework if i were you about human rights its not a new thing brought in by Tony Blair
Human Rights can be traced back to Renaissance Europe when the Feudal system was destroyed
and for centuries each country had there own form of rights
in 1864 it was improved with the Lieber code and the Geneva convention which opened human rights to the international community
after world war 1 the treaty of versaille created the League of Nations which made the universal declaration of human rights
after world war 2 the united nations was created and legislated international humanitarian law and international human rights law which still stand today and are the two single most important documents in the world
and its exactly the two documents that keep you as an individual safe and keeps states and governments in check
if you think your human rights are a joke a pity you i really do because your another person who doesnt realise what kind of whole your digging yourself one you will never get out of

Was just wondering if there was anyone on here who would vote for Milliband or Cleggin the next election and if so why?

This is a genuine question and even though I don't think Cameron is the best I do feel ge is far and away the best out of a very very bad bunch!

Just to answer the original question I voted Lib Dem at the last election and have felt a fool ever since.Clegg sold his soul for a slice of power and I hope they dissapear off the political planet at the next one.The labour party are as unelectable now as they were in the early eighties under Michael Foot.Which leaves us with the Tories.I admit to having a deep mis-trust of the conservatives.I suppose its the way I was brought up but given the chance they'll fix the ecomomy in the south of england and the home counties while the rest of us have to make do.