" VERY INTERESTING BY CAMERON "

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

The UK is a Christian country and I'm sick of this country bending over backwards to try and apse other faiths . Don't like it , don't choose to come here or live here and I say that as a Catholic.

The sooner this country gets back to one rule for all , the better

No offense but almost half of Christians don't know what Easter is celebrated for [in the UK].

No offense but almost half of Christians don't know what Easter is celebrated for [in the UK].

Most young people don't understand what Christmas is actually about.

I asked this question in work a few weeks ago and was told by a 13 year old, after an extended pause, that it was to celebrate Father Christmas' birthday.

The whole relevance of Christmas is completely lost to a whole generation of people. It's now just a time when they get loads of presents off mam and dad.

No offense but almost half of Christians don't know what Easter is celebrated for [in the UK].

Most young people don't understand what Christmas is actually about.

I asked this question in work a few weeks ago and was told by a 13 year old, after an extended pause, that it was to celebrate Father Christmas' birthday.

The whole relevance of Christmas is completely lost to a whole generation of people. It's now just a time when they get loads of presents off mam and dad.

And don't forget the huge 'marketing tactics'.

I'm not a bloody christian. I'm sorry but you can't choose a country's religion. The UK is multi-cultural meaning there are muslims, christians, jews, aetheists, scientologists bla bla bla.

The UK is a Christian country and I'm sick of this country bending over backwards to try and apse other faiths . Don't like it , don't choose to come here or live here and I say that as a Catholic.

The sooner this country gets back to one rule for all , the better

Must be a wind up.

Religion always creates interesting debates. It should be noted that it is the cause of many wars.

My opinion is that GB is a Christian Country and whilst we should respect all religions and those that don't believe we should not allow minority groups to dictate what people say and do.

Gareth, I agree with you on this one....

For argument sake lets pretend Christanity had never been invented.

Then one day you start telling stories about a man called Jesus who turned water into wine and fead the 5000 with 5 fishes whilst at the same time curing leapers. The population got so pissed off he was put up on a cross and he died only to rise up 3 days later.

He then joined his 'real' father in heaven a place which is up in the sky but no-one can see it. He is still around today (2000 years later) and every Sunday thousands of people meet in various stone buildings and sing songs to him.

It wouldn't be long before you were sectioned for being delusional.

That's religion.

Right, here's my view on religion. (I'll try and be polite as possible)

For me, the bible is a book on how you should live your life, none of it actually happened its just stories that in a way, say whats good and bad. Do I think alot of people were brain washed into believing in a "god"? Absolutely, back a couple of thousands of years ago when they had no where near the technology we have now to proove "gods" existance, plus they were very superstitious times.

As an aetheist, I do respect peoples views on what or whom they believe in (unless they try and convert me). But since "religious studies" is a core subject in school shouldnt "the theory of evolution" also be one?

I could keep on going but I'm trying to be polite and I can't be bothered for a massive debate on religion. If it was politics I'd more than happily to but religion, theres nothing to debate about (IMO).

I perhaps could've worded it better but hey ho.

What a strange statement BB. You clearly have a better understanding of religion and make a very vaild point in respect of the bible one I have debated on many occassions. It was written in what we now call the middle east where its a bit on the hot side so if you look at the 10 commands and compare them to a similar thing in the Quoran then it is pretty good advice.

In the 90's I was living with a girl whose younger brother was training to be a priest in the order that does all the research. Went to see him in Rome, just opposite the Vatican and to be honset some of the senior church guys I met were really good guys. I had many a discussion with the with the profs ( yep a lot of them have Phd's and higher) about the actually point of religion and the influence it has on the people of "developing" countries but the main thrux of my arguement was the hoarding of the knowledge of previous societies in the Vatican vaults. It was emphasised that the Catholic church do not hoard the knowledge but protect it and it isn't kept in the Vatican, was moved to a secure location many many years ago, where I know not probably just as well as no doubt I'd be an ex wombat by now

I also had a chat with the head of the order who happened to be there for some sort of dinner affair and was told to put my money on him on being the next Pope, a certain Cardinal Ratzinger.

Now I'm not religious at all, just another control mechanism, but there was something about the Vactican. There was a beautification ceremony while we there so I got an invite to the front row, about 50m or so from the then Pope. The presence of the man was something I have never experienced and very difficult to explain, sort of your at peace type of thing, weird.

Oh and that speech by Cameron is so close to one made by Blair it cannot be coincidence. I always said that the year Cardiff get promoted to the promised land is the year that the earth gets hit by that big mother of an asteroid thats just lurking. I would have placed a sizeable wager with the bookies but if I win how will I collect the money

The atheists view of everything in comparision to what Cameron has said.
Atheistic existentialism (french philosopher Albert Camus 1913 - 1960) Man is fundamentaly lonely in a godless world , human experience is absurd his desire for reason,justice,happiness and purpose is absurd.
Camus "life is a bad joke" the only serious question for philosophers is to discuss suicide.
Tennessee Williams "There is a horror in things and our existence is meaningless"

Nihilism atheists: There is no reason why the universe exists and no goal towards it is moving,nothing is of real value;human existence is totally meaningless;human beings are biological accidents;there is no life after death and suicide could therefore be a more rational approach than the desire to go on living.
the whole of life is an exercise in futility and personal satisfaction at any given moment is suficient justification for anything any individual chooses to do or not to do.

On 13th March 1996,Thomas Hamilton walked into Dunblane Primary school in Scotland made his way to the gym,fired 105 bullets and killed sixteen children and their teacher.All but one of the children were five years old.
Is there any atheist-who would denty that what Hamilton did was wrong ?
If the atheists agrees that it was wrong is he ruling out the idea that there are no values ?
If the atheist says there are no absolutes is that statement absolute if so the premise is false.
If there is no right or wrong and nothing matters would a atheist be happy to accept someone stealing his car,raping his wife,abducting his child on the basis that moral values were non-existent.
The choice is between God and chaos,God and nothing,God and insanity. as John Frame said.

The British author John Benton comments ,"We are taught from an early age that the only things that matter,the only things which exist,are the things you can taste,touch,smell,hear and see.Death is the end,and therefore we must adopt the philosophy of Eat,drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.So we are brainwashed into believing that sucess in life means business success,academic success,sporting success.The question as to whether a person is loving,patient,kind and loyal is viewed as largely irrelevant. How much does he earn ? whar grades did he get ?These are the questions our society operates on,and that sort of attitude is producing a lonely cut-throat world."

William Provine,Professor of History & Biological Sciences at Cornell University ,"Modern evolutionary theory has shattered the hope that some kind of deesigning or purposive force guided human evolution and established the basis of moral rules.Instead biology leads to a wholly mechanistic view of life...There are no gods and no designing forces.Evolution tells us that we are nothing more than pieces of flotsam thrown up on the beach of time,with no ultimate meaning,significance or destiny."
There are no moral values - no wisdom - no truth.

I used to be an atheist but I no longer am partly for the reasons above.