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Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:32 am

The whole country know 75% of us want out of the EU we are loosing our national idenity half the country is now owned by the french and germans gas/elec/water/now railways we should only be in a common market for trade and defence. STOP giving our money earned to other countries STOP imergration If you come to this country no nhs ect unless you work and have a place to live Before you are alowed in. Give companies that employ trades we need tax reductions for employing apprentaces. At the moment the EU is forcing its laws on us so why do we need parlliment mp's/am's councilors ect,ect and why do we trust anyone who goes to uni to become an mp? with no life experience No mp's under 40 yrs old please. Had my rant now :lol:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:35 am

toranaga wrote:The whole country know 75% of us want out of the EU we are loosing our national idenity half the country is now owned by the french and germans gas/elec/water/now railways we should only be in a common market for trade and defence. STOP giving our money earned to other countries STOP imergration If you come to this country no nhs ect unless you work and have a place to live Before you are alowed in. Give companies that employ trades we need tax reductions for employing apprentaces. At the moment the EU is forcing its laws on us so why do we need parlliment mp's/am's councilors ect,ect and why do we trust anyone who goes to uni to become an mp? with no life experience No mp's under 40 yrs old please. Had my rant now :lol:

good rant :ayatollah:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:08 am

bluebirdbaz wrote:
toranaga wrote:The whole country know 75% of us want out of the EU we are loosing our national idenity half the country is now owned by the french and germans gas/elec/water/now railways we should only be in a common market for trade and defence. STOP giving our money earned to other countries STOP imergration If you come to this country no nhs ect unless you work and have a place to live Before you are alowed in. Give companies that employ trades we need tax reductions for employing apprentaces. At the moment the EU is forcing its laws on us so why do we need parlliment mp's/am's councilors ect,ect and why do we trust anyone who goes to uni to become an mp? with no life experience No mp's under 40 yrs old please. Had my rant now :lol:

good rant :ayatollah:



I second that :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:56 am

This is a question which goes way beyond a simple in or out preference. Yes the instinct is to pull out because most of the European Union is a basket case but practically that idea is a no hoper because so much of our trade is with the EU and collectively as a European Federation we have a better chance of competing against the super economies of China, America, India, Brazil and Russia.

For once I agree with the Coalition we should renegotiate the terms of our membership of the EU with some powers being repatriated back to Westminster.

Also the running of the EU should be sorted out as the abuse of expenses in Brussels makes what happened in the UK Parliament look trivial in comparison.

The EU is a good idea in principle but in practise old national interests have crippled it. France and Germany are the real problem, not the likes of Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland or Italy. The debt problem could be sorted out at a stroke if the European Central Bank guaranteed the bailout funds to buy up sovereign debt in those countries but France and especially Germany won’t sanction it because of historical reasons relating to hyper-inflation in the 1930’s.

It is about time someone called them to book and David Cameron should make it known that unless France and Germany get their act together, then the UK might have to look elsewhere for strategic trading and security partners for example the USA or the Far East and leave them to wallow in the mess they created.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:49 am

I will never accept the arguement that the UK should remain within the EU simply because of trade links because those trade links would still be there if we left the EU. In my opinion what makes our exports attractive to other EU countries is the exhange rate which lets face it has dropped so much in favour of the Euro that the £ is now valued about the same as a roll of Andrex compared to 20 years ago.

In my opinion the first attempt of European intergration happened during the 1940 when Hitler tried it with hobnail boots and bombs, and thank god we saw that tw*t off. Unfortunately the new breed of Kraut want European domination through political and monetary control. The Eurozone was the wetdream of a fat kraut chancellor who managed to bully other european countries into buying into the single currency with only a few countries like the UK refusing to join the single currency. However our own fat Tory chancellor got bullied into the disaster known as the Exchange Rate Mechanism which eventually resulted in Black Wednesday or was it Black Friday, it probably doesn't matter because every friging day under John Major was a disaster. But Black whatever day it was resulted in a huge devaluation of the pound which had the effect of making our exports cheaper and so the self fulfilling prophacy of us needing to stay in the EU is created. It's a load of bollocks.

I would leave the EU as quickly as possible if for no other reason than the euro is a doomed experiment which is going to cost a fortune to sort out. Loads of countries will in my opinion eventually leave the currency and whenever that is be it a Black Monday or Tuesday or whenever when it starts the currency will be devalued, the pound will become stronger,and our exports will be more expensive and that will affect the amount of exports. On the flip side imports will be cheaper so anyone who likes a nice kraut car should be looking forward to the day when the Eurozone goes belly up.

When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists. As a nation we should be worried about the lack of employment opportunities for our children and of course their children. Sending EU nationals home would have a huge effect on reducing unemployment and therefore a massive reduction in welfare benefit payments.

Just remember we had a trading relationship with other European countries before the EU was created and we will have trade opportunities if and when we leave. The size of those opportunities will be decided by exchange rates rather than membership of any kraut superstate. Simples. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

End of rant.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:03 am

We should never have gone into European Union in the first place but now we are in it we are stuck. If we pulled out now a few more countries would follow the Euro and together with it the European Union would collapse along with the economies of most of Europe. If you think the austerity measures across Europe are bad now u ain't seen nothing yet. It would only then end in one way as it always does - WAR!!!! - then god help us. We are in a hell of a state, no doubt about that!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: fecking greedy politicians and bankers all their fault - look after number one is their motto!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: start stocking yer cupboards lads :lol: :lol: :lol: - rant over :ayatollah:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:18 am

When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists

Ummm, thank you? :shock:

I'm sure Stephen Mcphail, Rudy Gestade, Aron Gunnarsson will thank you too

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:19 am

i want out, i don't want a united states of europe, i want the politicians that we elect to the final say on the things that matter to this country like the economy, immigration, the human rights act etc, it should be up to us who we let in and who we can deport. im 44 years old and i have never had an opportunity to vote on whether i want the uk to be in the eu, and what my parents voying on in the early seventies was a common market to trade not what the eu as become today we are being dictated too by brussels. the eu today preaches democracy to countries around the world yet true democracy doesn't exist in the eu, when the dutch and the french public voted against the eu consituition they just renamed it a treaty and passed it anyway, the irish had to keep voting on the matter until the eu got the result that it wanted and last week the greek prime minister was bullied out of holding a referendum by merkel and sarkosy, and as for our country all three main parties promised a referendum and broke their word to the british public, enough said :evil:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:24 am

tylerdurdenisabluebird wrote:
When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists

Ummm, thank you? :shock:

I'm sure Stephen Mcphail, Rudy Gestade, Aron Gunnarsson will thank you too


You forgot Dekel Keinan, Gabor Gypes and Filip Kiss ;)

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:24 am

Forever Blue wrote:" WHO WANTS OUT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION ? "


Yes or No and why ?

Yes I want out.
I want out because I am fed up of Britain always having to put more money in than most of the other countries and I feel there are to many weak countries in it and in the long run I feel its going to collapse any way.We have lost Millions and Millions trying to save Ireland and Greece.

I want out not just for the money issues but more to do with unelected bureaucrats telling us what we can and can not do in our own country.

I will never accept the arguement that the UK should remain within the EU simply because of trade links because those trade links would still be there if we left the EU. In my opinion what makes our exports attractive to other EU countries is the exhange rate which lets face it has dropped so much in favour of the Euro that the £ is now valued about the same as a roll of Andrex compared to 20 years ago


The trade links is a load of rubbish anyway under GATT/WTL we be allowed to trade in Europe even outside the EU and its how the USA, Japan , Norway are able to sell their goods in the EU . The pro Euro files always go on about how many Job in the UK are dependant on Europe, they never say how many Jobs in Europe are dependant on the British .With out the British Tourist parts of Spain and Greece would collapse and who's wine, fruit and veg are we buying , never mind the cars ECT .


It would at least be nice to have a vote on the issues

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:32 am

ihatealiens wrote:We are in a hell of a state, no doubt about that!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: fecking greedy politicians and bankers all their fault - look after number one is their motto!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: start stocking yer cupboards lads :lol: :lol: :lol: - rant over :ayatollah:


We need to stop blaming the bankers . We're in a mess thanks to running a structural deficit over a number of years and borrowing over £50 billion a year even in the so-called good years That said the people were no better, buying and borrowing on their flexible friend with out a care in the world
We're in a mess thanks to debt that goes back to the Tory years of the early 90's and then Brown/Labour just going mad after 2006 you can't just blame the Bankers for that. If we had kept to pre 2006 spending levels we would have been in pretty good shape now, but like the people of the country , the government borrowed too much with out a care in the world .

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:32 am

smilebit wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:" WHO WANTS OUT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION ? "


Yes or No and why ?

Yes I want out.
I want out because I am fed up of Britain always having to put more money in than most of the other countries and I feel there are to many weak countries in it and in the long run I feel its going to collapse any way.We have lost Millions and Millions trying to save Ireland and Greece.


Great Post spot on too. I want out not just for the money issues (which are really overplayed) but more to do with unelected bureaucrats telling us what we can and can not do in our own country.

I will never accept the arguement that the UK should remain within the EU simply because of trade links because those trade links would still be there if we left the EU. In my opinion what makes our exports attractive to other EU countries is the exhange rate which lets face it has dropped so much in favour of the Euro that the £ is now valued about the same as a roll of Andrex compared to 20 years ago


The trade links is a load of rubbish anyway under GATT/WTL we be allowed to trade in Europe even outside the EU and its how the USA, Japan , Norway are able to sell their goods in the EU . The pro Euro files always go on about how many Job in the UK are dependant on Europe, they never say how many Jobs in Europe are dependant on the British .With out the British Tourist parts of Spain and Greece would collapse and who's wine, fruit and veg are we buying , never mind the cars ECT .


It would at least be nice to have a vote on the issues

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:39 am

castleblue wrote:
tylerdurdenisabluebird wrote:
When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists

Ummm, thank you? :shock:

I'm sure Stephen Mcphail, Rudy Gestade, Aron Gunnarsson will thank you too


You forgot Dekel Keinan, Gabor Gypes and Filip Kiss ;)


Oh well I think we know how Anthony Gerrard, Mark Hudson, Ben Turner, Dacy Blake and Robert Earnshaw will vote on any pull out of the European Union. ;)

PS Unfortunatley McPhail would be OK he was born in London.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:03 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Oh well I think we know how Anthony Gerrard, Mark Hudson, Ben Turner, Dacy Blake and Robert Earnshaw will vote on any pull out of the European Union. ;)

PS Unfortunatley McPhail would be OK he was born in London.


Tony it doesn't matter if your a member of the EU or not as anyone from another country can apply for a work permit. We currently have players from all over the world playing in this country. My point was removing foreign nationals from the main body of the UK workforce would reduce unemployment and welfare state payments.

We should be thinking about number 1, ourselves, at the moment because be in absolutely no doubt the Germans are. Our country lost a fortune supporting the pound before Black Wednesday because basically the Germans increased interest rates because of inflation fears following reunification of East and West Germany. Although they had agreed to the terms of the ERM this had a massive negative effect on currency trading with both the pound and Italian Lira coming under huge pressure from speculators. Did the Krauts care about the effect on increasing interest rates, did they bollocks, they just looked after number 1 and they will do the same now.

In my opinion Germany has the most to lose with the Euro debacle and I for one say f**k them as they will get exactly what they deserve.

I think we should leave the EU and repatriate their nationals, including a few hundred footballers, because the issues facing all countries are far bigger than if Cardiff for example are likely to lose a few players.

Talk about paraochial. :? :? :?

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:05 pm

castleblue wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Oh well I think we know how Anthony Gerrard, Mark Hudson, Ben Turner, Dacy Blake and Robert Earnshaw will vote on any pull out of the European Union. ;)

PS Unfortunatley McPhail would be OK he was born in London.


Tony it doesn't matter if your a member of the EU or not as anyone from another country can apply for a work permit. We currently have players from all over the world playing in this country. My point was removing foreign nationals from the main body of the UK workforce would reduce unemployment and welfare state payments.

We should be thinking about number 1, ourselves, at the moment because be in absolutely no doubt the Germans are. Our country lost a fortune supporting the pound before Black Wednesday because basically the Germans increased interest rates because of inflation fears following reunification of East and West Germany. Although they had agreed to the terms of the ERM this had a massive negative effect on currency trading with both the pound and Italian Lira coming under huge pressure from speculators. Did the Krauts care about the effect on increasing interest rates, did they bollocks, they just looked after number 1 and they will do the same now.

In my opinion Germany has the most to lose with the Euro debacle and I for one say f**k them as they will get exactly what they deserve.

I think we should leave the EU and repatriate their nationals, including a few hundred footballers, because the issues facing all countries are far bigger than if Cardiff for example are likely to lose a few players.

Talk about paraochial. :? :? :?


Any player from outside the EU can apply for a work permit, that is not the same as getting one :o

I agree fully that the biggest problem in the EU is Germany & to a less extent France rather than countries like Greece and Ireland. I'm not yet at the stage of calling for us to pull out, but there must be a rebalancing of our agreement with the EU. Germany and France must also become better Europeans and look for the good of all Europeans rather than just looking after their own national interests.

Potentially the EU could have a population of 500m making the third largest in world behind China and India. Frankly we will go backwards if we believe that as a nation of only 60m we have the resources and knowhow to take on not only China and India, but Brazil, Russia and USA as world market leaders.

Pulling out of Europe would seriously damage the City of London as the capital of Europe's financial market and lose the UK Billions in earnings from that vital industry as banks moved from London to Frankfurt and Paris.

Rebranding of the EU has to be the way forward, otherwise we are f**ked

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:16 pm

smilebit wrote:
ihatealiens wrote:We are in a hell of a state, no doubt about that!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: fecking greedy politicians and bankers all their fault - look after number one is their motto!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: start stocking yer cupboards lads :lol: :lol: :lol: - rant over :ayatollah:


We need to stop blaming the bankers . We're in a mess thanks to running a structural deficit over a number of years and borrowing over £50 billion a year even in the so-called good years That said the people were no better, buying and borrowing on their flexible friend with out a care in the world
We're in a mess thanks to debt that goes back to the Tory years of the early 90's and then Brown/Labour just going mad after 2006 you can't just blame the Bankers for that. If we had kept to pre 2006 spending levels we would have been in pretty good shape now, but like the people of the country , the government borrowed too much with out a care in the world .

I said politicians and bankers :roll:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:34 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Any player from outside the EU can apply for a work permit, that is not the same as getting one :o

I agree fully that the biggest problem in the EU is Germany & to a less extent France rather than countries like Greece and Ireland. I'm not yet at the stage of calling for us to pull out, but there must be a rebalancing of our agreement with the EU. Germany and France must also become better Europeans and look for the good of all Europeans rather than just looking after their own national interests.

Potentially the EU could have a population of 500m making the third largest in world behind China and India. Frankly we will go backwards if we believe that as a nation of only 60m we have the resources and knowhow to take on not only China and India, but Brazil, Russia and USA as world market leaders.

Pulling out of Europe would seriously damage the City of London as the capital of Europe's financial market and lose the UK Billions in earnings from that vital industry as banks moved from London to Frankfurt and Paris.

Rebranding of the EU has to be the way forward, otherwise we are f**ked


I love the optimistic view about the Germans becoming better Europeans because the only thing you can rely on the Germans for is having hairy arseholes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Your right about the French as well because they would be as bad as the Germans if the weren't busy having lunch and blockading ports. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mind you rebranding the EU is probably the best way forward but the Germans would only agree if the new name is the United States Of Krautland. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Trust me. ;)

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:04 pm

Forever Blue wrote:" WHO WANTS OUT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION ? "


Yes or No and why ?

Yes I want out.
I want out because I am fed up of Britain always having to put more money in than most of the other countries and I feel there are to many weak countries in it and in the long run I feel its going to collapse any way.We have lost Millions and Millions trying to save Ireland and Greece.



If we had not been in the union we would not have recieved massive bailouts from germany and france in the 2008 financial crisis. how would you have felt about then?

however, weather you want out or not, the more pressing issue is: Why haven't the people been given their say in the form of a national referendum?

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:23 pm

At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:30 pm

Yes taking our money and jobs.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:24 pm

Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


We did, many years ago, so long ago I can't remember the details but I think it was Ted Heath that did all the ground work then Harold Wilson signed us up. Although thinking again and without looking it up it could very have been the other way around perhaps Jim Callaghan was involved as well. Man my memory has gone to shit, can't remember what happened 40 years ago. :shock:

Obviously I didn't vote I was too young :D

If any party did "break ranks" and actually take this to the poles (not our eastern european friends but the voting process)then be rest assured that the ballot paper would be deliberately written in a confusing manner and more than likely involve some other contencious issue to further confuse the "average" voter. They did a similar thing in Ireland very recently with the Presedential elections.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:41 pm

Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.

So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?

Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?

Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.

Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.

It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.

The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.

There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited. :old:

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Power to the People...........


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Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:37 pm

Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.

So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?

Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?

Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.

Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.

It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.

The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.



There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited. :old:

robin kunt.jpg



Power to the People...........


robin kunt.jpg




Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.

So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?

Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?

Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.

Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.

It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.

The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.



There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited. :old:

robin kunt.jpg



Power to the People...........


robin kunt.jpg




Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.



Democracy, huh. I think they should rename it to hypocracy.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:46 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.


No we weren't.

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:47 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.

So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?

Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?

Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.

Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.

It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.

The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.



There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited. :old:

robin kunt.jpg



Power to the People...........


robin kunt.jpg




Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.



It doesn't matter bruv, all poloticians are the same...lying, cheating, cnuts.....Ridsdales :old:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm

Willy the Wombat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


We did, many years ago, so long ago I can't remember the details but I think it was Ted Heath that did all the ground work then Harold Wilson signed us up. Although thinking again and without looking it up it could very have been the other way around perhaps Jim Callaghan was involved as well. Man my memory has gone to shit, can't remember what happened 40 years ago. :shock:

Obviously I didn't vote I was too young :D

If any party did "break ranks" and actually take this to the poles (not our eastern european friends but the voting process)then be rest assured that the ballot paper would be deliberately written in a confusing manner and more than likely involve some other contencious issue to further confuse the "average" voter. They did a similar thing in Ireland very recently with the Presedential elections.


I will show my age now Willy because I did vote in the referendum which was held on 6th June 1975. Harold Wilson was Prime Minister after defeating Ted Heath in October 1974 when Labour promised a referendum on EU membership.

The question asked was quite simple "Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community (Common Market)?" and 67% voted in favour. Mind you that was before the "Common Market" developed into the United States Of Europe which in my opinion is a completely different beast to the concept of a common market.

Politicians would never ask the question of us again because I honestly believe there is no mandate, wish or desire to be part of the animal that has evolved 35 years on.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm

Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.

So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?

Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?

Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.

Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.

It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.

The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.



There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited. :old:

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Power to the People...........


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Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.



It doesn't matter bruv, all poloticians are the same...lying, cheating, cnuts.....Ridsdales :old:


A politician's job is to cheat the public and embessle money in the most controversal way. :old:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm

Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Johnny Rythmn wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:



You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.

So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?

Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?

Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.

Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.

It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.

The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.



There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited. :old:

robin kunt.jpg



Power to the People...........


robin kunt.jpg




Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.



It doesn't matter bruv, all poloticians are the same...lying, cheating, cnuts.....Ridsdales :old:




:lol: :ayatollah:

Very true Lully :lol:

Re: " WHO WANTS OUT ? "

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:59 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ption.html

Really good article here about how we are ruled by our political leaders. Why is it they will do anything to prevent the british people voting on this issue, it's because they know full well the likelyhood of getting a vote in favour of leaving.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: