Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:32 am
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:35 am
toranaga wrote:The whole country know 75% of us want out of the EU we are loosing our national idenity half the country is now owned by the french and germans gas/elec/water/now railways we should only be in a common market for trade and defence. STOP giving our money earned to other countries STOP imergration If you come to this country no nhs ect unless you work and have a place to live Before you are alowed in. Give companies that employ trades we need tax reductions for employing apprentaces. At the moment the EU is forcing its laws on us so why do we need parlliment mp's/am's councilors ect,ect and why do we trust anyone who goes to uni to become an mp? with no life experience No mp's under 40 yrs old please. Had my rant now
Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:08 am
bluebirdbaz wrote:toranaga wrote:The whole country know 75% of us want out of the EU we are loosing our national idenity half the country is now owned by the french and germans gas/elec/water/now railways we should only be in a common market for trade and defence. STOP giving our money earned to other countries STOP imergration If you come to this country no nhs ect unless you work and have a place to live Before you are alowed in. Give companies that employ trades we need tax reductions for employing apprentaces. At the moment the EU is forcing its laws on us so why do we need parlliment mp's/am's councilors ect,ect and why do we trust anyone who goes to uni to become an mp? with no life experience No mp's under 40 yrs old please. Had my rant now
good rant
Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:56 am
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:18 am
When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:19 am
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:24 am
tylerdurdenisabluebird wrote:When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists
Ummm, thank you?
I'm sure Stephen Mcphail, Rudy Gestade, Aron Gunnarsson will thank you too
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:24 am
Forever Blue wrote:" WHO WANTS OUT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION ? "
Yes or No and why ?
Yes I want out.
I want out because I am fed up of Britain always having to put more money in than most of the other countries and I feel there are to many weak countries in it and in the long run I feel its going to collapse any way.We have lost Millions and Millions trying to save Ireland and Greece.
I will never accept the arguement that the UK should remain within the EU simply because of trade links because those trade links would still be there if we left the EU. In my opinion what makes our exports attractive to other EU countries is the exhange rate which lets face it has dropped so much in favour of the Euro that the £ is now valued about the same as a roll of Andrex compared to 20 years ago
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:32 am
ihatealiens wrote:We are in a hell of a state, no doubt about that!!!![]()
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fecking greedy politicians and bankers all their fault - look after number one is their motto!!!
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start stocking yer cupboards lads
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- rant over
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:32 am
smilebit wrote:Forever Blue wrote:" WHO WANTS OUT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION ? "
Yes or No and why ?
Yes I want out.
I want out because I am fed up of Britain always having to put more money in than most of the other countries and I feel there are to many weak countries in it and in the long run I feel its going to collapse any way.We have lost Millions and Millions trying to save Ireland and Greece.
Great Post spot on too. I want out not just for the money issues (which are really overplayed) but more to do with unelected bureaucrats telling us what we can and can not do in our own country.I will never accept the arguement that the UK should remain within the EU simply because of trade links because those trade links would still be there if we left the EU. In my opinion what makes our exports attractive to other EU countries is the exhange rate which lets face it has dropped so much in favour of the Euro that the £ is now valued about the same as a roll of Andrex compared to 20 years ago
The trade links is a load of rubbish anyway under GATT/WTL we be allowed to trade in Europe even outside the EU and its how the USA, Japan , Norway are able to sell their goods in the EU . The pro Euro files always go on about how many Job in the UK are dependant on Europe, they never say how many Jobs in Europe are dependant on the British .With out the British Tourist parts of Spain and Greece would collapse and who's wine, fruit and veg are we buying , never mind the cars ECT .
It would at least be nice to have a vote on the issues
Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:39 am
castleblue wrote:tylerdurdenisabluebird wrote:When we leave the EU any EU national in this country should be repatriated and our borders closed to anyone except tourists
Ummm, thank you?
I'm sure Stephen Mcphail, Rudy Gestade, Aron Gunnarsson will thank you too
You forgot Dekel Keinan, Gabor Gypes and Filip Kiss
Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:03 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Oh well I think we know how Anthony Gerrard, Mark Hudson, Ben Turner, Dacy Blake and Robert Earnshaw will vote on any pull out of the European Union.![]()
PS Unfortunatley McPhail would be OK he was born in London.
Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:05 pm
castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Oh well I think we know how Anthony Gerrard, Mark Hudson, Ben Turner, Dacy Blake and Robert Earnshaw will vote on any pull out of the European Union.![]()
PS Unfortunatley McPhail would be OK he was born in London.
Tony it doesn't matter if your a member of the EU or not as anyone from another country can apply for a work permit. We currently have players from all over the world playing in this country. My point was removing foreign nationals from the main body of the UK workforce would reduce unemployment and welfare state payments.
We should be thinking about number 1, ourselves, at the moment because be in absolutely no doubt the Germans are. Our country lost a fortune supporting the pound before Black Wednesday because basically the Germans increased interest rates because of inflation fears following reunification of East and West Germany. Although they had agreed to the terms of the ERM this had a massive negative effect on currency trading with both the pound and Italian Lira coming under huge pressure from speculators. Did the Krauts care about the effect on increasing interest rates, did they bollocks, they just looked after number 1 and they will do the same now.
In my opinion Germany has the most to lose with the Euro debacle and I for one say f**k them as they will get exactly what they deserve.
I think we should leave the EU and repatriate their nationals, including a few hundred footballers, because the issues facing all countries are far bigger than if Cardiff for example are likely to lose a few players.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:16 pm
smilebit wrote:ihatealiens wrote:We are in a hell of a state, no doubt about that!!!![]()
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fecking greedy politicians and bankers all their fault - look after number one is their motto!!!
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start stocking yer cupboards lads
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- rant over
We need to stop blaming the bankers . We're in a mess thanks to running a structural deficit over a number of years and borrowing over £50 billion a year even in the so-called good years That said the people were no better, buying and borrowing on their flexible friend with out a care in the world
We're in a mess thanks to debt that goes back to the Tory years of the early 90's and then Brown/Labour just going mad after 2006 you can't just blame the Bankers for that. If we had kept to pre 2006 spending levels we would have been in pretty good shape now, but like the people of the country , the government borrowed too much with out a care in the world .
Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:34 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Any player from outside the EU can apply for a work permit, that is not the same as getting one![]()
I agree fully that the biggest problem in the EU is Germany & to a less extent France rather than countries like Greece and Ireland. I'm not yet at the stage of calling for us to pull out, but there must be a rebalancing of our agreement with the EU. Germany and France must also become better Europeans and look for the good of all Europeans rather than just looking after their own national interests.
Potentially the EU could have a population of 500m making the third largest in world behind China and India. Frankly we will go backwards if we believe that as a nation of only 60m we have the resources and knowhow to take on not only China and India, but Brazil, Russia and USA as world market leaders.
Pulling out of Europe would seriously damage the City of London as the capital of Europe's financial market and lose the UK Billions in earnings from that vital industry as banks moved from London to Frankfurt and Paris.
Rebranding of the EU has to be the way forward, otherwise we are f**ked
Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:04 pm
Forever Blue wrote:" WHO WANTS OUT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION ? "
Yes or No and why ?
Yes I want out.
I want out because I am fed up of Britain always having to put more money in than most of the other countries and I feel there are to many weak countries in it and in the long run I feel its going to collapse any way.We have lost Millions and Millions trying to save Ireland and Greece.
Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:23 pm
Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:30 pm
Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:24 pm
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:41 pm
Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:37 pm
Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.
So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?
Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?
Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.
Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.
It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.
The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.
There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited.
Power to the People...........
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:42 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.
So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?
Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?
Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.
Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.
It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.
The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.
There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited.
Power to the People...........
Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:46 pm
Forever Blue wrote:
Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:47 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.
So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?
Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?
Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.
Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.
It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.
The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.
There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited.
Power to the People...........
Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm
Willy the Wombat wrote:Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
We did, many years ago, so long ago I can't remember the details but I think it was Ted Heath that did all the ground work then Harold Wilson signed us up. Although thinking again and without looking it up it could very have been the other way around perhaps Jim Callaghan was involved as well. Man my memory has gone to shit, can't remember what happened 40 years ago.![]()
Obviously I didn't vote I was too young![]()
If any party did "break ranks" and actually take this to the poles (not our eastern european friends but the voting process)then be rest assured that the ballot paper would be deliberately written in a confusing manner and more than likely involve some other contencious issue to further confuse the "average" voter. They did a similar thing in Ireland very recently with the Presedential elections.
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm
Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.
So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?
Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?
Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.
Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.
It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.
The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.
There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited.
Power to the People...........
Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.
It doesn't matter bruv, all poloticians are the same...lying, cheating, cnuts.....Ridsdales
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm
Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Johnny Rythmn wrote:Forever Blue wrote:At the end of the day as British Citizens, who pay our tax's, We should without doubt all be allowed to vote on this issue.![]()
You, like me and 90 percent or may be more than 90 per cent of the population haven't a clue about world economics.
So, why should you be allowed to vote on something you know feck all about?
Your decision like many others will be a nationalistic vote but have I got news for you?
Britain is skint, It has been since the early 1900s. It was bailed out by the yanks after the second world war and has never repaid the debt....unlike Ireland.
Remember the 1970s? Now what got you out of that hole was North Sea Oil (Scottish) and guess what it's nearly all run out and the profits and invetment policies were spunked up by Maggie and her cronies.
It's time for change ok but the change must be to form allegiances with the everyday people of europe and the world.
The Generals who send our kids to die on the battlefields, the bankers who gamble with our money and take more from us when they lose it and the corrupt poloticians who allow this to happen and live luxurious lifestyles funded by our taxes are not your fellow countrymen they are thieves and murderers.
There's only two nationalities on this planet today, the exploiters and the exploited.
Power to the People...........
Lully But We were promised by this Govt that we would be allowed to Vote.
Also i have no faith in Camerons decisions what so ever.
It doesn't matter bruv, all poloticians are the same...lying, cheating, cnuts.....Ridsdales
Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:59 pm