Well Done Qantas for taking hard-line action

Yes I do have a good knowledge about enployment laws in this country, if you are checking out my posts on other topics you would see that the majority of my career was within the recruitment industry so it was my job to get a good understanding on those laws. If people need 'independent' advice then ACAS can help them out which is free of charge unlike the unions were you would pay a monthly fee which continue to pay for Union leaders like Scargil, Crowe and the rest who haven't got a clue what the average person on the street is going through.

Having had dealings with ACAS myself in the past I can confirm that they supply a fantastic service for employees and supply you with as much information as possible. If any union members on here don't agree then I'd suggest that you'd go them a go rather than trying to put the service down because its damaging the union mentalitiy within the population.

Cloud cuckoo land if you think ACAS will fill in the void.
ACAS can only take on a specific number of cases and their helpline is manned by people who aren't legally trained.
They do a good job when they can, but act as a referral service for most callers if the situation evolves beyond simple things like putting in a grieavance.
Before you say how do I know, I work for a legal advice organisation who also deal in Employment, they refer people to us all the time, they aren't very good at referring either as most of the people they refer to us aren't eligible for our help.

There were plenty of private sector workers supporting the miners

I mean now. As a society we have gotten a lot more selfish since the miners strike.
Indeed, it is shown by the fact many people (indeed like yourself) seem to be enjoying the idea of people not getting a fair deal from their employer (the state).

My taxes go towards the public sector and I want whats best for my money. Is getting the best deal for your money such a bad thing..?

I am guessing you have never heard of the idea about keeping workers happy?
Happy workers will give you a better deal.
Employees who are pissed off and who are frightened for their jobs will not give you a better deal.

The amount of time Ive been in recruitment I can tell you one thing and that is whatever package you offer a person they always want more.

In many public sector jobs you have things like flexi time, day off for the queens birthday, day off for christmas shopping, weeks and weeks of holidays, fantastic pensions, constant team building exercises and so on. So what else would you want my taxes to pay for with regards to keeping public sector workers happy..?

Remember this country is partly in the state it is because the amount of public sector employees shot up during Labours years.

id love to see you try and survive in your world
scrap human rights
scrap civil liberties
scrap employment law and unions
how exactly do you intend to live without being persecuted by everyone and anything with power

I have not mentioned human rights but now you've mentioned it I would like the human rights bill to be re-visited.
I have not mentioned civil liberties but now your've mentioned it I would like that issue to be looked at too.
If you look at the whole of the topic I have constantly stated that we have employment laws in this country so whats the point of unions. Not once have I mentioned about scraping employment laws.
I would once again state that this country would be far better if personal responibility was more taken on board by people rather than blaming anyone for their problems. If it was up to me everyone would be classed as self employed in this country and you watch the work ethic change overnight if that was put in place.

you have mentioned these scrapping human rights laws and such like in other topics
whats the point of unions with the amount of employment law we have in this country is this
Do you understand every employment law legislated in this country if you do good for you but a lot of people dont and thats what the unions do tell you your rights if you dont understand them and if your heirachy at work abandons you and doesnt believe your issues you have with the company be it pay problems or bullying issues your union will step in and throw a bit more muscle in than you are capable of, unions have existed for centuries i wouldnt blatantly abandon them so quickly.
As for your idea of making every one self-employed yeah you would watch the work ethic disappear look at Greece at the moment all their citizens are self-employed and their country is in one hell of a mess where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with no voice to cry out with which has no led to large protests.
Personal responsibility is an admirable trait but if you cant defend yourself who would you turn to in your perfect eutopia.
People like you dont know how lucky you are and i doubt you really understand the costs of what you are calling for and when you get what you want will be the first to complain thats its not fair and you want your rights back but by then my friend it will all be to late and you will find yourself living in a totalitarian state which would make the nazi party look weak.

The greek ecomony is in such a state not because everone is self employed its because their government refused to collect any taxes due and people can retired at 55!!!! Even through people are self employed they should still complete tax returns which would help educate the population about HMRC.

Yes I do have a good knowledge about enployment laws in this country, if you are checking out my posts on other topics you would see that the majority of my career was within the recruitment industry so it was my job to get a good understanding on those laws. If people need 'independent' advice then ACAS can help them out which is free of charge unlike the unions were you would pay a monthly fee which continue to pay for Union leaders like Scargil, Crowe and the rest who haven't got a clue what the average person on the street is going through.

Having had dealings with ACAS myself in the past I can confirm that they supply a fantastic service for employees and supply you with as much information as possible. If any union members on here don't agree then I'd suggest that you'd go them a go rather than trying to put the service down because its damaging the union mentalitiy within the population.[/quote]

the greek economy effectively made paying taxes optional with huge tax breaks for businesses to the point where you wouldnt have to worry about paying taxes at all making the individual citizen richer and richer and the state poorer and poorer and their economy fell apart with other EU states picking up the pieces now your idea of self employment and personal responsibility will turn britain into this chaotic state and when you have slashed at the human rights bill and civil liberties law you will find you wont have a leg to stand on with survival of the fittest being the main rule in this country with the rich getting richer and the poor being squeezed for every penny they have and we would have decended right back to the dark ages before magna carta and see what mess you find yourself in

the greek economy effectively made paying taxes optional with huge tax breaks for businesses to the point where you wouldnt have to worry about paying taxes at all making the individual citizen richer and richer and the state poorer and poorer and their economy fell apart with other EU states picking up the pieces now your idea of self employment and personal responsibility will turn britain into this chaotic state and when you have slashed at the human rights bill and civil liberties law you will find you wont have a leg to stand on with survival of the fittest being the main rule in this country with the rich getting richer and the poor being squeezed for every penny they have and we would have decended right back to the dark ages before magna carta and see what mess you find yourself in

Greece's books shouldn't have been accepted by the EU in the first place under normal acceptance rules because the country was messed up way before they got membership but the socialists of Europe wanted them in no matter what and this is the result of such pathetic financial management at the time.

shouldnt have been no ill agree with that but they were and now we have a responsibility to save them as they are an equal member of the EU, but your going off topic now they are in trouble because of their pathetic financial management, but if you had your way Britain would fall apart with pathetic mismanagement of its work-force and population

the greek economy effectively made paying taxes optional with huge tax breaks for businesses to the point where you wouldnt have to worry about paying taxes at all making the individual citizen richer and richer and the state poorer and poorer and their economy fell apart with other EU states picking up the pieces now your idea of self employment and personal responsibility will turn britain into this chaotic state and when you have slashed at the human rights bill and civil liberties law you will find you wont have a leg to stand on with survival of the fittest being the main rule in this country with the rich getting richer and the poor being squeezed for every penny they have and we would have decended right back to the dark ages before magna carta and see what mess you find yourself in

Greece's books shouldn't have been accepted by the EU in the first place under normal acceptance rules because the country was messed up way before they got membership but the socialists of Europe wanted them in no matter what and this is the result of such pathetic financial management at the time.

shouldnt have been no ill agree with that but they were and now we have a responsibility to save them as they are an equal member of the EU, but your going off topic now they are in trouble because of their pathetic financial management, but if you had your way Britain would fall apart with pathetic mismanagement of its work-force and population

Everyone become self employed would encourage people to do their annual tax returns, encourage a better understanding of the tax system, sick days off will be non exsistant which costs the country millions each year, benefit payout would be far less because people would have to work and the country would be a far better place because of it.

but you can get past the welfare problem without scrapping unions and making everyone self employed america seems to handle this issue very well with their welfare reforms where working is the first and in some cases the only option
but on the other side unions are instrumental to the american economy
plus their civil rights law is considered some of the best in the world (this isnt me saying its perfect)
so your still not convincing me

the greek economy effectively made paying taxes optional with huge tax breaks for businesses to the point where you wouldnt have to worry about paying taxes at all making the individual citizen richer and richer and the state poorer and poorer and their economy fell apart with other EU states picking up the pieces now your idea of self employment and personal responsibility will turn britain into this chaotic state and when you have slashed at the human rights bill and civil liberties law you will find you wont have a leg to stand on with survival of the fittest being the main rule in this country with the rich getting richer and the poor being squeezed for every penny they have and we would have decended right back to the dark ages before magna carta and see what mess you find yourself in

Greece's books shouldn't have been accepted by the EU in the first place under normal acceptance rules because the country was messed up way before they got membership but the socialists of Europe wanted them in no matter what and this is the result of such pathetic financial management at the time.

shouldnt have been no ill agree with that but they were and now we have a responsibility to save them as they are an equal member of the EU, but your going off topic now they are in trouble because of their pathetic financial management, but if you had your way Britain would fall apart with pathetic mismanagement of its work-force and population

Everyone become self employed would encourage people to do their annual tax returns, encourage a better understanding of the tax system, sick days off will be non exsistant which costs the country millions each year, benefit payout would be far less because people would have to work and the country would be a far better place because of it.

but you can get past the welfare problem without scrapping unions and making everyone self employed america seems to handle this issue very well with their welfare reforms where working is the first and in some cases the only option
but on the other side unions are instrumental to the american economy
plus their civil rights law is considered some of the best in the world (this isnt me saying its perfect)
so your still not convincing me

Are you saying that the employment laws in this country aren't complying to civil rights laws..? Because I have always supported the employment laws in this country and support ACAS so why should civial rights come into it..?

May I ask, have you ever been self employed at anytime..?

Not going to respond to my assessment of ACAS?
Just had another referred to us by them as they couldn't answer her query.

Not going to respond to my assessment of ACAS?
Just had another referred to us by them as they couldn't answer her query.

Thats your assessment of ACAS whereas Ive had positive workings with them

When you stated 'Referred to us..?' Who do you work for then..?

I'd rather not say but it's legal advice funded by the government among others, once my redundancy comes through at the end of the month then maybe

Anyway I wasn't saying they weren't any help, just that they are very limited and can't help everyone, people need more than one option especially when funding in limited.

the greek economy effectively made paying taxes optional with huge tax breaks for businesses to the point where you wouldnt have to worry about paying taxes at all making the individual citizen richer and richer and the state poorer and poorer and their economy fell apart with other EU states picking up the pieces now your idea of self employment and personal responsibility will turn britain into this chaotic state and when you have slashed at the human rights bill and civil liberties law you will find you wont have a leg to stand on with survival of the fittest being the main rule in this country with the rich getting richer and the poor being squeezed for every penny they have and we would have decended right back to the dark ages before magna carta and see what mess you find yourself in

Greece's books shouldn't have been accepted by the EU in the first place under normal acceptance rules because the country was messed up way before they got membership but the socialists of Europe wanted them in no matter what and this is the result of such pathetic financial management at the time.

shouldnt have been no ill agree with that but they were and now we have a responsibility to save them as they are an equal member of the EU, but your going off topic now they are in trouble because of their pathetic financial management, but if you had your way Britain would fall apart with pathetic mismanagement of its work-force and population

Everyone become self employed would encourage people to do their annual tax returns, encourage a better understanding of the tax system, sick days off will be non exsistant which costs the country millions each year, benefit payout would be far less because people would have to work and the country would be a far better place because of it.

but you can get past the welfare problem without scrapping unions and making everyone self employed america seems to handle this issue very well with their welfare reforms where working is the first and in some cases the only option
but on the other side unions are instrumental to the american economy
plus their civil rights law is considered some of the best in the world (this isnt me saying its perfect)
so your still not convincing me

Are you saying that the employment laws in this country aren't complying to civil rights laws..? Because I have always supported the employment laws in this country and support ACAS so why should civial rights come into it..?

May I ask, have you ever been self employed at anytime..?

no im not saying that your putting words into my mouth (which you are good at)
what im saying is im attacking your policy on diminishing human rights bill and civil rights law and your destruction of the employment safe guards that unions put in place will only ever be detrimental to this society
but you have no answers to this so you try to formulate different arguments so it just shows your inability to defend your points

Not going to respond to my assessment of ACAS?
Just had another referred to us by them as they couldn't answer her query.

Thats your assessment of ACAS whereas Ive had positive workings with them

When you stated 'Referred to us..?' Who do you work for then..?

I'd rather not say but it's legal advice funded by the government among others, once my redundancy comes through at the end of the month then maybe

Anyway I wasn't saying they weren't any help, just that they are very limited and can't help everyone, people need more than one option especially when funding in limited.

, so lets be honest the cases aren't 'referred to you' its just that ACAS can't help because their cases are week so the individuals come to you next.

NO.
They are referred to us, as in put straight through to us by them, hence why I know who referred them to us as it says on the screen.
We are a means assessed service, when this is explained to the clients, a lot decline to continue as ACAS haven't bothered to let them know this.
When asked why ACAS referred them to us they usually say as the ACAS operator wasn't legally trained.
They only take a certain amount of cases on and the helpline staff aren't trained to give any specific legal advice, all they do is tell you what the law actually says which is no use if the case is complicated or not the norm.

Self -employed?? hmmm... I've been self-employed for years. Advantages are, you pay
less tax and NI, and generally can earn a little more overall.. WHEN YOU ARE WORKING.
Its also refreshing to an extent to be in charge of your own affairs.

Disadvantages...

1)Once a particular job gets to a manageable, finishable level, once the 'employer' knows
it can get rid of the higher paid 'self-employed' lads and finish the job using their own
workers... your out the door. By the same token, an 'employer' can suck self-employed
lads in by promising months and months of graft... then its "tara fellers, thanks for all
your hard work, I know you may have turned down work elsewhere off the back of what
we told you but erm... sorry... perhaps you can go ring ACAS
"hello, ACAS speaking, can i help you.... erm can I stop you there. Were you on a contract?
ah sorry bout that, but if you had no contract of employment, and were self-employed, you
fall outside our remit!"

2) No holiday pay.

3) No sick pay

As for all these workers taking 'sick days' and costing the country a f*cking fortune??

eh?

The vast majority of workers in Britain are in low-skilled jobs, same as every other country!
On or around the minimum wage. Most are employed on short term contracts. And guess
what... they dont qualify for sick pay. Why... the government has made sick pay a 'contribution'
by employers and NOT an obligation. Luckily for all these super rich 13k a year people... they
get paid for their holidays. How magnanimous of the employer

As for the Public Sector?

There must be some thick cunts posting on here, or people who just quote stuff they read!!!

Local Government service contracts have been going out to tender for years. The old council
workers (there will be plenty on here) will now be working for a Direct Services Organisation.
The lads on the bins may still be earning 25k+ a year with overtime (good luck to them cos
I wouldnt pick up peoples shit!)... Now read up on Sodeco (for instance)...this French Company
are taking over DSO contracts at an alarming rate (guess why MG)... they are employing
workers on minimum wage and making an absolute fortune. Proud people who have bought
their own houses, raised families without Government help are on the scrapheap.

Guess what... the new bin men/street cleaners/ dont have to live on minimum wage cos the
Government subsidises their wages (oops, thats US the taxpayer isnt it?) So companies
like Sodeco are positively encouraged to pay people as little as they possibly can.

Those with their heads in the sand can celebrate that their next door neighbour who used to be
a bin man isnt "ripping off the taxpayer" any more with his allegedly inflated wage....

But they are actually STILL paying half loads for the Polish/Nigerian/Albanian/Iraqi workers who will be
taking over, because the employers WONT. Why would they? they dont need to.

Sadly, and you dont need to be a rocket scientist to google Sodeco - the company are making a killing
with low wages, but they get greedy see (Capitalism at its worst)... Suddenly you find out they are
only cleaning the streets once a fortnight, or emptying your bins every two weeks. Saving on diesel
saving on labour saving on admin..... making more profits!!

The UNIONS were not all good, were they f**k. But Thatcher systematically and brutally
destroyed their power. When she did that, she silenced the voice of the workers.

As someone has posted... if your being shit on in your work, you can always walk away...

But the government had an answer for that too - its called mass immigration from third world
countries where the people would happily work a 40 hour week just for a roof over their heads.

As for ACAS?

Quicky for the General:

5. Do local authority employers have to follow the Acas Guidance (the Guidance) on discipline and grievances?
Not strictly, as employment tribunals do not have the power to adjust awards on account of any failure to follow the Guidance nor are they required to have regard to the Guidance. However, local authority employers should still aim to follow the relevant recommendations in the Guidance, as if they do then it should ensure that they have complied with the Code and the principles of fairness.

Fairness??

Why would many employers feel the need to be 'fair' when there are still many
tories like you that believe they should do what the f**k they like, cos if the
employee dont like it.. he should go find another job

Self -employed?? hmmm... I've been self-employed for years. Advantages are, you pay
less tax and NI, and generally can earn a little more overall.. WHEN YOU ARE WORKING.
Its also refreshing to an extent to be in charge of your own affairs.

Disadvantages...

1)Once a particular job gets to a manageable, finishable level, once the 'employer' knows
it can get rid of the higher paid 'self-employed' lads and finish the job using their own
workers... your out the door. By the same token, an 'employer' can suck self-employed
lads in by promising months and months of graft... then its "tara fellers, thanks for all
your hard work, I know you may have turned down work elsewhere off the back of what
we told you but erm... sorry... perhaps you can go ring ACAS
"hello, ACAS speaking, can i help you.... erm can I stop you there. Were you on a contract?
ah sorry bout that, but if you had no contract of employment, and were self-employed, you
fall outside our remit!"

2) No holiday pay.

3) No sick pay

As for all these workers taking 'sick days' and costing the country a f*cking fortune??

eh?

The vast majority of workers in Britain are in low-skilled jobs, same as every other country!
On or around the minimum wage. Most are employed on short term contracts. And guess
what... they dont qualify for sick pay. Why... the government has made sick pay a 'contribution'
by employers and NOT an obligation. Luckily for all these super rich 13k a year people... they
get paid for their holidays. How magnanimous of the employer

As for the Public Sector?

There must be some thick cunts posting on here, or people who just quote stuff they read!!!

Local Government service contracts have been going out to tender for years. The old council
workers (there will be plenty on here) will now be working for a Direct Services Organisation.
The lads on the bins may still be earning 25k+ a year with overtime (good luck to them cos
I wouldnt pick up peoples shit!)... Now read up on Sodeco (for instance)...this French Company
are taking over DSO contracts at an alarming rate (guess why MG)... they are employing
workers on minimum wage and making an absolute fortune. Proud people who have bought
their own houses, raised families without Government help are on the scrapheap.

Guess what... the new bin men/street cleaners/ dont have to live on minimum wage cos the
Government subsidises their wages (oops, thats US the taxpayer isnt it?) So companies
like Sodeco are positively encouraged to pay people as little as they possibly can.

Those with their heads in the sand can celebrate that their next door neighbour who used to be
a bin man isnt "ripping off the taxpayer" any more with his allegedly inflated wage....

But they are actually STILL paying half loads for the Polish/Nigerian/Albanian/Iraqi workers who will be
taking over, because the employers WONT. Why would they? they dont need to.

Sadly, and you dont need to be a rocket scientist to google Sodeco - the company are making a killing
with low wages, but they get greedy see (Capitalism at its worst)... Suddenly you find out they are
only cleaning the streets once a fortnight, or emptying your bins every two weeks. Saving on diesel
saving on labour saving on admin..... making more profits!!

The UNIONS were not all good, were they f**k. But Thatcher systematically and brutally
destroyed their power. When she did that, she silenced the voice of the workers.

As someone has posted... if your being shit on in your work, you can always walk away...

But the government had an answer for that too - its called mass immigration from third world
countries where the people would happily work a 40 hour week just for a roof over their heads.

As for ACAS?

Quicky for the General:

5. Do local authority employers have to follow the Acas Guidance (the Guidance) on discipline and grievances?
Not strictly, as employment tribunals do not have the power to adjust awards on account of any failure to follow the Guidance nor are they required to have regard to the Guidance. However, local authority employers should still aim to follow the relevant recommendations in the Guidance, as if they do then it should ensure that they have complied with the Code and the principles of fairness.

Fairness??

Why would many employers feel the need to be 'fair' when there are still many
tories like you that believe they should do what the f**k they like, cos if the
employee dont like it.. he should go find another job

OOPS... I forgot. Dont worry about not getting sick pay from your employer
cos you can claim SSP from the government who get it from erm.... yes, you
guessed it.. the taxpayer. So the £44 WE pay for a sick person doesnt have
to come from the employer!!

f**k me midfield general, why dont you give it a rest, you are making a complete fool of yourself.
You cannot be from industrial South Wales, you do not understand what life is about, rose tinted glasses I would say.
Everything we have down here (and I say down here as you are quite likely not from these parts) we've had to fight for, now
give it a rest and go on some middle class do gooders site.
Oh and by the way, i'm employed and am doing really well for myself, but i dont forget those city fans who struggle to even get to a city game.

f**k me midfield general, why dont you give it a rest, you are making a complete fool of yourself.
You cannot be from industrial South Wales, you do not understand what life is about, rose tinted glasses I would say.
Everything we have down here (and I say down here as you are quite likely not from these parts) we've had to fight for, now
give it a rest and go on some middle class do gooders site.Oh and by the way, i'm employed and am doing really well for myself, but i dont forget those city fans who struggle to even get to a city game.

100% from these parts, grow up during the miners strike and seen excatly how Scargil used the union members to help feather his own nest. So maybe you find out FACTS before jumping to conclusions.

You keep on walking into it dont you.

We all agree Scargill was a tw*t.

Did Thatcher and SIR Ian MacGregor not lie to the Notts miners telling them
Scargill knew that the Notts mines were economical and the Welsh (your
country) and Yorkshire ones werent. No pits left in Notts by the way.

So when you were busy wanking over Thatcher, did you not ONCE think she
might just be shitting on your own Countryman. That she might be lying...
and that (surprise surprise) she ended up paying MORE for coal from Germany
when she (and MacGregor) knew full well that modernising mining techniques
could have saved jobs, communities AND money. Did you ever consider these
well debated and well researched opinions could well be fact???

You didnt did you!!

You were thinking - get in that Chicken factory you lazy good for nothing miners!

Not going to respond to my assessment of ACAS?
Just had another referred to us by them as they couldn't answer her query.

Thats your assessment of ACAS whereas Ive had positive workings with them

When you stated 'Referred to us..?' Who do you work for then..?

I'd rather not say but it's legal advice funded by the government among others, once my redundancy comes through at the end of the month then maybe

Anyway I wasn't saying they weren't any help, just that they are very limited and can't help everyone, people need more than one option especially when funding in limited.

, so lets be honest the cases aren't 'referred to you' its just that ACAS can't help because their cases are week so the individuals come to you next.

NO.
They are referred to us, as in put straight through to us by them, hence why I know who referred them to us as it says on the screen.
We are a means assessed service, when this is explained to the clients, a lot decline to continue as ACAS haven't bothered to let them know this.
When asked why ACAS referred them to us they usually say as the ACAS operator wasn't legally trained.
They only take a certain amount of cases on and the helpline staff aren't trained to give any specific legal advice, all they do is tell you what the law actually says which is no use if the case is complicated or not the norm.

Well when I had an issue and used the service. I had my own case officer whos direct line I had if I wanted to ask any further questions so going on my own 'personal' experience I would say that cases which they pass onto you are not complicated but weak.

When was that?

You're not listening anyway, I said they only take on a very limited amount of cases. You seem to be one of the lucky ones.
If you phoned them now, you'd go through to someone not legally trained who'd advise you on the law, they do not give tailored legal advice to callers to their helpline. They give you a case worker if they take on your case but that is RARE.

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When was that?

You're not listening anyway, I said they only take on a very limited amount of cases. You seem to be one of the lucky ones.
If you phoned them now, you'd go through to someone not legally trained who'd advise you on the law, they do not give tailored legal advice to callers to their helpline. They give you a case worker if they take on your case but that is RARE.

That was March of this year. I can only give you my personal experience and in my experience I was given a case worker within 48 hours of my first contact with them.

Whoaaaaa.....

Hold on feller. Why would you go to ACAS anyway? They were set up to ADVISE Employers
and Unions to settle any dispute fairly. They are just an advisory body.

you have made it quite clear that disgruntled employees should just f**k off if they dont
like it where they are. You going to ACAS goes against the grain of your whole argument

When was that?

You're not listening anyway, I said they only take on a very limited amount of cases. You seem to be one of the lucky ones.
If you phoned them now, you'd go through to someone not legally trained who'd advise you on the law, they do not give tailored legal advice to callers to their helpline. They give you a case worker if they take on your case but that is RARE.

That was March of this year. I can only give you my personal experience and in my experience I was given a case worker within 48 hours of my first contact with them.

So as I said you were one of the lucky ones, most people don't get that service as it's limited.
This is their remit -

Organisation Name: ACAS helpline
Helpline: 08457 47 47 47
Helpline opening hours: 8am-8pm Mon-Fri 9am - 1pm Sat
Detailed remit: ACAS stands for Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service. The Acas Helpline answers your employment questions in one confidential phone call. It answers queries from employers, employees or others on a wide range of employment law matters.

The helpline offers non tailored legal information. They do not give advice or tell you what to do, they can only give out information on what the law says.

ACAS will provide a free conciliation service known as pre-claim conciliation for those workplace problems that cannot be resolved in house and are likely to become employment tribunal claims. Direct callers to the helpline for more information.
Web address: http://www.acas.org.uk
Email:
Textphone: 08456 06 16 00
Address: Acas National
Brandon House
180 Borough High Street
SE1 1LW

When was that?

You're not listening anyway, I said they only take on a very limited amount of cases. You seem to be one of the lucky ones.
If you phoned them now, you'd go through to someone not legally trained who'd advise you on the law, they do not give tailored legal advice to callers to their helpline. They give you a case worker if they take on your case but that is RARE.

That was March of this year. I can only give you my personal experience and in my experience I was given a case worker within 48 hours of my first contact with them.

Whoaaaaa.....

Hold on feller. Why would you go to ACAS anyway? They were set up to ADVISE Employers
and Unions to settle any dispute fairly. They are just an advisory body.

you have made it quite clear that disgruntled employees should just f**k off if they dont
like it where they are. You going to ACAS goes against the grain of your whole argument

Stop trying to put words in my mouth I have ALWAYS stated that there shouldn't be any need for unions if you have ACAS!!! You just can't stop trying to twist words for your own own whether its my words or anyone elses on here

I went to ACAS because once again if you look at my comment I work in both the private and public sector and I went to ACAS last year for advice. My own experience of them was fantastic. If you don't like my answers then fair enough its a debate however why twist words to fit your version of events..?

Putting words in your mouth???

"People know the terms before they accept a job and signed acceptance forms. We dont live in the USSR where you have to take jobs you are offered you know."

"If people dont like a job they should look elsewhere"

(Both quotes from you in this thread!!)

Make your mind up. Are you now saying that if they arent happy in their job they should go to ACAS
then?

See, the problem is. ACAS is an advisory board. It has no power. If it tells an employer its
not acting fairly to people. Guess what.... the employer can just turn round and say....

"If people dont like a job they can just look elsewhere."

Ring any bells?

Theres a difference between being unhappy about your job and being mistreated in your job.

You are rubbish in the spin game Taffy

What the f**k do you mean by that??

I've spun nothing in this thread. Just quoted you

Do you agree with this statement:

"if you dont like it in your job, if your not happy.... leave!!.. nobody is forcing you
to work there!!.... plenty more people out there that will work for peanuts"

Thats the gist of what you've been saying on this thread.

If thats the 'real' you, then fair enough. Not my cup of tea

But get your facts right. ACAS do not and cannot protect workers in this Country.
ACAS advises employers and workers alike to 'play fair'... But they have no power.
None at all. Which is why they are rarely heard of any more.

MG, you keep referring to "employment laws" who do you think helps enforce those laws??

Theres a difference between being unhappy about your job and being mistreated in your job.

You are rubbish in the spin game Taffy

What the f**k do you mean by that??

I've spun nothing in this thread. Just quoted you

Do you agree with this statement:

"if you dont like it in your job, if your not happy.... leave!!.. nobody is forcing you
to work there!!.... plenty more people out there that will work for peanuts"

Thats the gist of what you've been saying on this thread.

If thats the 'real' you, then fair enough. Not my cup of tea

But get your facts right. ACAS do not and cannot protect workers in this Country.
ACAS advises employers and workers alike to 'play fair'... But they have no power.
None at all. Which is why they are rarely heard of any more.

Yes it it however the term 'not happy' can be seen in different ways. If you have been mistreated in the workplace e.g bullying, harrasment etc then there are employment laws which ACAS can help you to explore then Im supportive of it. However if a company is struggling (believe me whatever people may think there are many who are) but an employee wants a better package each year no mattter what[b][/b]then for the security of the company I don't think that it should be a right as there are many others out there who are willing to work no matter what.

There have been Employment laws in Britain for many many years. Since guess what... the
birth of the Unions. The best way for a worker to 'explore' Employment Laws to see if he
is being treated unfairly is to go see his shop steward or works convenor. Its what they are
there for, its what the employee voluntarily pays subs for. Incidentally, those Employment
Laws you wax so lyrically about are quite explicit when they explain a worker of his RIGHTS to
join a Union. The Union reps are fully prepped on the Laws and will tell them there and there if
they have a case. The days of one out all out if the toilet rolls are hard are long long gone..
If the Union think the worker does have a case however, they will take action on his behalf!!!

All ACAS can do is say "hmm, well, erm... the Company arent being very fair are they?"

Where the f**k on this thread has ANY supporter of a Union expressed a workers right to a pay
rise every year??? There are literally hundreds of thousands of British Workers who have gone
without a pay rise for years fully knowing that their boss just cant afford to give them one.
Many of these are members of Trades Unions too

If it wasnt for the unions there wouldnt be employement laws MG you cant have it both ways

He's been seen off on this thread