Would you legalise drugs..?

The only achievement of prohibition is that drugs are now more freely available and cheaper than ever before.

In this country we criminalise addiction instead of medicalising it. Take drugs out of the hands of armed gangsters, you would have an instant positive impact on countries like columbia and brazil and offer millions across the globe a safer life plus generate tax and offer safe substances in this country. The human race has always sought to alter its conciousness from the dawn of time. Why pretend that drug use to escape, mediate, or just get off it is a new thing?

control quality and sale and you would automatically put massive distance between youngsters getting into dangerous stuff like crack and heroin.

Recreational drugs like ecstacy and cannabis should have been fully legalised years ago. The scaremongering around cannabis induced psychosis is a red herring. Any heavy susbstance abuse will induce psychosis - alcohol, tobacco and even caffine all have psychoactive effects.

Legalise it all and lets have some progressive forward thinking and brave politics for once. Not reacting to the Daily Mail readership.

I don't think I could possibly agree more with this statement, you've absolutely hit the nail on the head.

As for people who are saying weed smokers are lazy etc, I smoked weed heavily, and I mean HEAVILY until I moved back to my parents for the time being 2 months or so ago.

Whilst smoking all this weed I managed to hold down a part time job, as well as completing a university degree in Politics with Criminology and passing with honours.

One of my modules was "Understanding drug crime and culture" and I remember that they showed us this graph one time. It was a chart of illeagality vs safety. Cannabis was way down there as one of the safest drugs there are. Ectasy was THE safest drug of the whole lot. Even LSD was very, very low.

Towards the top were cocaine, street methadone, heroin, ALCOHOL and TOBACCO.

Although I use both alcohol and tobacco, they should definately both be illeagal if ecstasy and weed both are.

also, smoking weed definitely does not lead to using stronger drugs, if you have no will - perhaps it will lead, but generally it def doesn't, people are much smarter these days to not start using that shit.

There are more people taking coke now then there has ever been so thats bollocks

no f*cking way

People who say smoking weed does not lead to harder drugs aint got a clue.

It doesn't always though does it?
Some people will move on to harder drugs whatever they started on, cigarettes, caffeine etc.
Others will never ever go any stronger than a bit of cannabis.

You cannot generalise everyone, so your point is flawed.

I didnt realise going to buy a pack of cigarettes or drinking coffee was illegal??

There are exceptions to any argument, I cannot be arsed to go googling the market research, but I would imagine it would back me up when I say most people who take Class A's started off smoking a bit of weed.

Maybe not but they are still drugs.

I'm sure they would, but if you are the type to take drugs the fact you'd start by smoking cannabis is fairly obvious.
What I'm disputing is that it automatically leads to other drugs, from personal experience it doesn't.
Anyway it isn't relevant to prohibition, which has failed ever since its inception to do anything other than fund criminals, create criminals and supply low grade cut with crap drugs to users.

also, smoking weed definitely does not lead to using stronger drugs, if you have no will - perhaps it will lead, but generally it def doesn't, people are much smarter these days to not start using that shit.

There are more people taking coke now then there has ever been so thats bollocks

no f*cking way

Its FACT

The only achievement of prohibition is that drugs are now more freely available and cheaper than ever before.

In this country we criminalise addiction instead of medicalising it. Take drugs out of the hands of armed gangsters, you would have an instant positive impact on countries like columbia and brazil and offer millions across the globe a safer life plus generate tax and offer safe substances in this country. The human race has always sought to alter its conciousness from the dawn of time. Why pretend that drug use to escape, mediate, or just get off it is a new thing?

control quality and sale and you would automatically put massive distance between youngsters getting into dangerous stuff like crack and heroin.

Recreational drugs like ecstacy and cannabis should have been fully legalised years ago. The scaremongering around cannabis induced psychosis is a red herring. Any heavy susbstance abuse will induce psychosis - alcohol, tobacco and even caffine all have psychoactive effects.

Legalise it all and lets have some progressive forward thinking and brave politics for once. Not reacting to the Daily Mail readership.

I don't think I could possibly agree more with this statement, you've absolutely hit the nail on the head.

As for people who are saying weed smokers are lazy etc, I smoked weed heavily, and I mean HEAVILY until I moved back to my parents for the time being 2 months or so ago.

Whilst smoking all this weed I managed to hold down a part time job, as well as completing a university degree in Politics with Criminology and passing with honours.

One of my modules was "Understanding drug crime and culture" and I remember that they showed us this graph one time. It was a chart of illeagality vs safety. Cannabis was way down there as one of the safest drugs there are. Ectasy was THE safest drug of the whole lot. Even LSD was very, very low.

Towards the top were cocaine, street methadone, heroin, ALCOHOL and TOBACCO.

Although I use both alcohol and tobacco, they should definately both be illeagal if ecstasy and weed both are.

Here we go, the theory mongers are off

I would like to see people popping out of work for pill break every hour. That would be fun to witness.

Here we go, the theory mongers are off

I would like to see people popping out of work for pill break every hour. That would be fun to witness.

It wouldn't be like that though. In work you can't be intoxicated! End of. So pill breaks would be as against the work rules as a spliff break or getting wasted on pint after pint during breaks!

It'd be the same with driving laws.

Where do you work though? I wouldn't mind hourly breaks

I voted yes, but only in the case of ganja. In my mind there is no reason it should be illeagal. It would minimize crime, let police officers get on with some real work rather than bust a bunch of 17 year olds for smoking it, and would make stupidly massive amounts of money in tax revenue.

It'd also kick the shit out of the tabacco industry.

It baffles me how alcohol is legal and weed isn't. Ask yourself which hypothetical situation you'd trust yourself in more, if you were next to the edge on a cliff drunk, or on the edge of a cliff stoned.

I know that's an extreme example, but I know which i'd rather be.

Mate, I agree with everything you say. Weed is so much less harmful than alcohol. Look at what happened when alcohol was made illegal... the prohibition era happened. I'm not sure it's wise to make cocaine etc legal because enough people use that as it is. It's a tough one but as a starting point I'd definitely legalise weed.

The only achievement of prohibition is that drugs are now more freely available and cheaper than ever before.

In this country we criminalise addiction instead of medicalising it. Take drugs out of the hands of armed gangsters, you would have an instant positive impact on countries like columbia and brazil and offer millions across the globe a safer life plus generate tax and offer safe substances in this country. The human race has always sought to alter its conciousness from the dawn of time. Why pretend that drug use to escape, mediate, or just get off it is a new thing?

control quality and sale and you would automatically put massive distance between youngsters getting into dangerous stuff like crack and heroin.

Recreational drugs like ecstacy and cannabis should have been fully legalised years ago. The scaremongering around cannabis induced psychosis is a red herring. Any heavy susbstance abuse will induce psychosis - alcohol, tobacco and even caffine all have psychoactive effects.

Legalise it all and lets have some progressive forward thinking and brave politics for once. Not reacting to the Daily Mail readership.

I don't think I could possibly agree more with this statement, you've absolutely hit the nail on the head.

As for people who are saying weed smokers are lazy etc, I smoked weed heavily, and I mean HEAVILY until I moved back to my parents for the time being 2 months or so ago.

Whilst smoking all this weed I managed to hold down a part time job, as well as completing a university degree in Politics with Criminology and passing with honours.

One of my modules was "Understanding drug crime and culture" and I remember that they showed us this graph one time. It was a chart of illeagality vs safety. Cannabis was way down there as one of the safest drugs there are. Ectasy was THE safest drug of the whole lot. Even LSD was very, very low.

Towards the top were cocaine, street methadone, heroin, ALCOHOL and TOBACCO.

Although I use both alcohol and tobacco, they should definately both be illeagal if ecstasy and weed both are.

i think its quite disrespectful to anybody who has lost family members or friends to direct misuse of drugs such as ecstacy and LSD to describe them as even sligthly safe, when there are many, many examples of it CLEARLY not being safe

anybody saying they should be legalised is wrong, full stop.
i find it quite an immature and dull thing to say really...
thank god its not idiots in charge of making these kind of decisions

Here we go, the theory mongers are off

I would like to see people popping out of work for pill break every hour. That would be fun to witness.

It wouldn't be like that though. In work you can't be intoxicated! End of. So pill breaks would be as against the work rules as a spliff break or getting wasted on pint after pint during breaks!

It'd be the same with driving laws.

Where do you work though? I wouldn't mind hourly breaks

Im not on about pints, you were trying to claim Ecstasy was safer than Tobacco

Trust me. its not. I dont care what the theory says I have done them all (Except Herion) and you can function after tobacco, and pints in moderation, cocaine no problem, but one pill, well the ones in the olden days, the proper ones, and your fucked!.

JUST HANG THE FUCKERS THAT SELL THAT SHIT

my ex's bro used to smoke weed daily, hes 24, one morning we woke to find him circling the garden in a weird trance.
we then found notes under his bed, threatening to kill his own mum, as he thought she had put cameras in his room, and that he was being watched. also notes with a date hed kill himself if the cameras werent removed.
the room was gutted and he was allowed to re decorate it himself, to prove a point. then he still tried to kill himself, and now has spend 2 years in the nut house! all through side effects of weed, and paronia.
I used to have a spliff very occasionaly when i was younger, didnt enjoy it though.

i think its quite disrespectful to anybody who has lost family members or friends to direct misuse of drugs such as ecstacy and LSD to describe them as even sligthly safe, when there are many, many examples of it CLEARLY not being safe

anybody saying they should be legalised is wrong, full stop.
i find it quite an immature and dull thing to say really...
thank god its not idiots in charge of making these kind of decisions

Also to polo:

I most certainly wasn't trying to be disrespectful to anybody, and I apoligise if it came across that way.

I'm merely just advocating what I have been taught by my expert lecturers, who do unbiased research to give unbiased views. The graph they showed me stated that Ectasy was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and that acid was too. Perhaps this isn't the case with indirect effects; such as drinking too much water because of dehydration on the dancefloor from taking ectasy, or causing yourself harm because of audible or visual hallucinations from the effects of acid.

In terms of direct effects from the drug, Ectasy and acid are both less harmful than tobacco or alcohol. Infact, the chief scientist to do with drugs was sacked last year or upholding this view that ectasy is less harmful, sacked by the people in power he was employed by who's opinions you seem to value so much. The same man also said that there is absolutely no reason why Cannabis should remain illeagal. You say i'm an idiot, but these people in power sacked the man with the know how for not expressing what is soley their view.

Most stories of deaths from ectasy have been either from drugs cut with others things (for scumbags to save money, due to their illeagality) or are stories from the Tabloid press and/or BBC propaganda documentaries.

For the record, i'm completely against heroin or crack becoming legal, ever.

f**k me, It's hard enough to get kid into work these days as it is, Lets feed them some week so they can smoke it before they do their GCSE's. Ask any smack head what drug they started off on, It will be week, End of.

It won't stop people dealing badly cut drugs. If anything, it will make the problem worse. People will get addicted to the stuff being sold legitimately, then they run out of money and realise they can get it on the cheap from a dealer, but the stuff they sell is poor quality and potentially dangerous.

Awful idea.

I would say yes to the weed and no to the rest.

If alcohol is legal then so should weed be

I have seen people fight chops and just be a nightmare to be with when pissed..Weed is different no fighting chopsing etc just chilled out .

So in my eyes its a no to the hard stuff but weed should be made legal alcohol is worse and that is legal.

Look what drugs have done to me
so answer to question yes

I would say yes to the weed and no to the rest.

If alcohol is legal then so should weed be

I have seen people fight chops and just be a nightmare to be with when pissed..Weed is different no fighting chopsing etc just chilled out .

So in my eyes its a no to the hard stuff but weed should be made legal alcohol is worse and that is legal.

I agree, all I used to do when smoking weed was either go for walks and do interesting things, like go to Southerndown etc, in the summer, or just peacefully chill in my house not harming anyone.

And it's never hindered me from work or studies.

Yes people have died from ecstasy, lsd and other 'mlder drugs' - but many more have died from alcohol and smoking (and chocolate). In terms of non drugs, I am certain a few people have died from tugging their own horn late at night, or having Michael Hutchence style asphyxiation sex.

A serious rethink is needed with drugs policy in this country, and no one on this forum is an idiot for agreeing with that, because it is the truth.

Yes people have died from ecstasy, lsd and other 'mlder drugs' - but many more have died from alcohol and smoking (and chocolate). In terms of non drugs, I am certain a few people have died from tugging their own horn late at night, or having Michael Hutchence style asphyxiation sex.

A serious rethink is needed with drugs policy in this country, and no one on this forum is an idiot for agreeing with that, because it is the truth.

Of course that is because more people use tobacco and alchohol. If these so called "milder drugs" were legal, common sense dictates that there would be an increase in the deaths from those drugs.

Yes people have died from ecstasy, lsd and other 'mlder drugs' - but many more have died from alcohol and smoking (and chocolate). In terms of non drugs, I am certain a few people have died from tugging their own horn late at night, or having Michael Hutchence style asphyxiation sex.

A serious rethink is needed with drugs policy in this country, and no one on this forum is an idiot for agreeing with that, because it is the truth.

Of course that is because more people use tobacco and alchohol. If these so called "milder drugs" were legal, common sense dictates that there would be an increase in the deaths from those drugs.

If I meant numbers wise, then i would have said 'numerically': alas, I did not, so ratio or percentage should be assumed.

Bring in Hanging for drug possesion and dealing. Easy solution..... kill all the scroats in one go and then have nice clean streets.

Easy.

i think its quite disrespectful to anybody who has lost family members or friends to direct misuse of drugs such as ecstacy and LSD to describe them as even sligthly safe, when there are many, many examples of it CLEARLY not being safe

anybody saying they should be legalised is wrong, full stop.
i find it quite an immature and dull thing to say really...
thank god its not idiots in charge of making these kind of decisions

Also to polo:

I most certainly wasn't trying to be disrespectful to anybody, and I apoligise if it came across that way.

I'm merely just advocating what I have been taught by my expert lecturers, who do unbiased research to give unbiased views. The graph they showed me stated that Ectasy was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and that acid was too. Perhaps this isn't the case with indirect effects; such as drinking too much water because of dehydration on the dancefloor from taking ectasy, or causing yourself harm because of audible or visual hallucinations from the effects of acid.

In terms of direct effects from the drug, Ectasy and acid are both less harmful than tobacco or alcohol. Infact, the chief scientist to do with drugs was sacked last year or upholding this view that ectasy is less harmful, sacked by the people in power he was employed by who's opinions you seem to value so much. The same man also said that there is absolutely no reason why Cannabis should remain illeagal. You say i'm an idiot, but these people in power sacked the man with the know how for not expressing what is soley their view.

Most stories of deaths from ectasy have been either from drugs cut with others things (for scumbags to save money, due to their illeagality) or are stories from the Tabloid press and/or BBC propaganda documentaries.

All these f*cking expert lecturers and people in power who have never taken a thing in their lives! take it from someone whose life has been in the gutter because of ectasy (i started on weed), its a lot worse than tobacco and alcohol, directly and more so indirectly, but if the stats the government published had undirect accountability in them they'd be a whole lot different. As far as im concerned people that have no first hand experiance in relation to drugs know f**k all and their opinions are pointless!

Bring in Hanging for drug possesion and dealing. Easy solution..... kill all the scroats in one go and then have nice clean streets.

Easy.

Steve-what about their human rights? Shami Chakrabarti would have you banged up for saying something so outrageous.

However i agree with you-the damage that all drugs do is incredible. If drugs didnt exist crime would be significantly lower.


Sending to prison is almost pointless as they are rife with smack etc....The only way to sort junkies out in prisons out is to put them in solitary confinement 24 hours a day-food through a hatch and a tv to watch. Make the smackheads do cold turkey.

Hang em --- simple as , just like they do in Singapore - funny how its probably the safest place in the world

Hang em --- simple as , just like they do in Singapore - funny how its probably the safest place in the world

Go and live there then?

Hang em --- simple as , just like they do in Singapore - funny how its probably the safest place in the world

Go and live there then?

Why ? - just change the laws here and get rid of the problem !!! its not rocket science.

Bring in Hanging for drug possesion and dealing. Easy solution..... kill all the scroats in one go and then have nice clean streets.

Easy.

Steve-what about their human rights? Shami Chakrabarti would have you banged up for saying something so outrageous.

However i agree with you-the damage that all drugs do is incredible. If drugs didnt exist crime would be significantly lower.


Sending to prison is almost pointless as they are rife with smack etc....The only way to sort junkies out in prisons out is to put them in solitary confinement 24 hours a day-food through a hatch and a tv to watch. Make the smackheads do cold turkey.

TV ? Why should they have a TV - HANG EM !!

Hang em --- simple as , just like they do in Singapore - funny how its probably the safest place in the world

Go and live there then?

Why ? - just change the laws here and get rid of the problem !!! its not rocket science.

You are correct Steve but it'll never happen thanks to the ridiculous human rights laws in this country. Its all very well people saying the odd spliff here and there is ok. Trouble is 1 thing leads to another and many people end up hardened addicts needing crime to keep up their filthy habit.