" David Jones " The greatest manager this club has ever had

i totally agree with this post, he is out greatest manager, remember when he first came, it was at the end of the hammam era, and we all know what happend there, with ambitions outweighing talent.... who else really, could of come into our football club, with no money, and being told players like "earnie, kavs, collins, gabbs ect ect" being sold off, and then being told, you got nothing to work with, just try and keep this club alive......and then season after season being told you have to lose a star player..and to still be able to go out and pick up players on a free such as super-kev, burke, chops for next to nothing, and to get chops scoring 20+ goals, the only manager to get bothroyd to work, is all down to some good man management... yes the other side of the coin is "the biggest wage budget any other manager has had" thats simply because hes earned that, and because of us fans, we demand soo much, and to get the promotion, hes had to use big wages to attract the players just to come here. okay, maybe he has made a few mistakes but name me one successful manager who hasnt........fergie has made loads of mistakes, and one of the most successful managers of all time......... we could of easily of sacked jones, and brought in someone else, who the players didnt respect and didnt want to play for (e.g. peterborough when they sacked darren ferg) alot of fans seem to forget before jones, we where never a big team in the championship, hadnt been to the fa.cup final in years, this is all due to jones, because if there was someone else in, who knows we could be sheffield united right now, or even worse a plymouth going back down to league 2...... in my opinion Dave Jones is the best manager we have had in my time.
DAVEY JONES'S BARMY ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope everybody read's this because this guy is spot on

who else really, could of come into our football club, with no money, and being told players like "earnie, kavs, collins, gabbs ect ect" being sold off, and then being told, you got nothing to work with, just try and keep this club alive ......

in my opinion Dave Jones is the best manager we have had in my time.
DAVEY JONES'S BARMY ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope everybody read's this because this guy is spot on

The thing is here that people are saying he is our greatest ever manager Bluebird04 thinks he is the best manager in his time and thats fine but there have been other great managers at our club.

And for me "In My Time" the greatest manager we have had at Cardiff City FC is Jimmy Scoular who took this club to a European Cup Winners Cup Semi Final I know because I was there and although it ended in heartbreak with a last second away goal for Hamburg he got us there.

He was also manager when the team had to travel to Tashkent, the furthest any club had to travel in the history of European Club competition, and he still had them back on Saturday for a League match. He also had to sell his best player, in mid season, and still kept us challenging for promotion to the last 2 games.

People are not saying he has done a bad job but some of us have experiences of other managers who worked miracles for the club and their efforts should not be cast aside by simplistic statement like DJ is our best manager ever.

Because in my time he is not.

i totally agree with this post, he is out greatest manager, remember when he first came, it was at the end of the hammam era, and we all know what happend there, with ambitions outweighing talent.... who else really, could of come into our football club, with no money, and being told players like "earnie, kavs, collins, gabbs ect ect" being sold off, and then being told, you got nothing to work with, just try and keep this club alive......and then season after season being told you have to lose a star player..and to still be able to go out and pick up players on a free such as super-kev, burke, chops for next to nothing, and to get chops scoring 20+ goals, the only manager to get bothroyd to work, is all down to some good man management... yes the other side of the coin is "the biggest wage budget any other manager has had" thats simply because hes earned that, and because of us fans, we demand soo much, and to get the promotion, hes had to use big wages to attract the players just to come here. okay, maybe he has made a few mistakes but name me one successful manager who hasnt........fergie has made loads of mistakes, and one of the most successful managers of all time......... we could of easily of sacked jones, and brought in someone else, who the players didnt respect and didnt want to play for (e.g. peterborough when they sacked darren ferg) alot of fans seem to forget before jones, we where never a big team in the championship, hadnt been to the fa.cup final in years, this is all due to jones, because if there was someone else in, who knows we could be sheffield united right now, or even worse a plymouth going back down to league 2...... in my opinion Dave Jones is the best manager we have had in my time.
DAVEY JONES'S BARMY ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope everybody read's this because this guy is spot on

he has had twice the players wages budget that anyone excluding neil warnock in the top six has had at their disposal.
this does not include the fact that vincent tan is personally picking up bellamy's wages himself.
do you honestly see the malaysians seeing a play off place as an acceptable achievment based on the support he has had this season including further strengthening in january.
The talk about the players respecting him is rubbish in my opinion because if that was the case why did a large number of them go out on the piss after the player of the year do against his express wishes.
Without the loan of ramsey the team would have struggled to make the play offs the way they were going and in fact did not win any games during that period that he did not play in.
The malaysians are going to look at the achievments of paul lambert and brendan rogers and are bound to be questioning the ability of our manager with double the amount of resources available to him.
we might accept runners up in an fa cup final and then a play off final as success but im pretty sure the malaysians dont see that as success at all based on the finances they are investing in the club.
I sincerely hope that our manager takes us to the promised land over the next few weeks otherwise he will be tarnished forever in the eyes of supporters as a nearly man.

Not even one Welsh Cup and you call him the greatest manager this club has ever had? This starvation of any success has realy got to some. Some managers have got us promotions. One even won the FA cup.
Maybe you are the product of a socialist education where nobody is allowed to fail but believe me Dave Jones is not a great manager let alone the greatest.

Has DJ won a league? - NO
Has DJ won a Cup/shield/trophy? - NO (dont give me no pre-season portugal tournament as a cup either! )
Has DJ got us promoted? - NO

Have we had a lucky runs in the FA Cup - Yes (meeting 1 premiership team! that was relegated)
Were we RUNNERS UP in the FA Cup? - Yes
Have we Improved year on year? - Yes
Have we always FAILED in the playoff's? - Yes
Has DJ had enormous amounts of financial backing since he has been here? - Yes


HAS DJ FAILED IN ACHIEVING ANYTHING (silverware) IN HIS TIME AT CCFC? - YES!

IS DJ THE GREATEST EVER CCFC MANAGER? - NO!

I wasnt sure if the original post was a joke but having now re-read the post I think the original poster is serious No he is not the greatest manager we have ever had in what are we now 7 seasons under him we havent got promoted or won anything. He 's has had millions to spend and we have yet had any return. His mannerism to fans and the press is an absolute disgrace and if i say to my customers have a shit journey home I'd be sacked. So no he is not the greatest but as you say its all about opinions.

Jones has taken us to 4th and currently in play-offs .

This is first season he has had funds and players and we should be in top 2 no doubt.

If and BIG if but IF we fail to get to Prem then time for DJ to say Ive done my best but the best aint good enough ...........

On past posts O`Neil is a strong candidate but lets get playoffs and final out of way and support the whole team and manager , I think then if we fail the best will be done for OUR club

How can DJones be compared to the managers who took us up to the old first division, We had a decent team in the 20s playing in the top league with a few cup finals thrown in i dont see how he comes anywhere near that.He may be the best since the 60s when last promoted. Jimmy Scoulars team who came third was the nearest we have been to promotion to the top, thats way back in the 70s so maby its time we went up again.

Wowwwwww I have caused a stir...


Lets cast judgement when the season ends....It was only a few weeks back this forum was calling for unity amongst the ranks at a crucial part of the season,we pulled together and pruduced a brilliant run of form....
If theis season ends in tears ..I be first say ..*its time for a change" until then Im supporting our team & manager like any other true CCFC supporter should at this crucial part of the season..

At last someone with a bit of sense. Dave Jones is definitely the best manager we have ever had. Certainly since Jimmy Scoular in my time of watching the City. Perhaps there could be arguements for the managers in the 1920's, 1940's and late 50's early 60's but in my mind it's definitely Dave Jones closely followed by Jimmy Scoular. There is definitely a personal dislike of Dave Jones by certain posters on here (or a certain poster) probably because Dave Jones made it quite clear from the outset that he has no time for so called 'high profile' fans who were so used to thinking they were entitled to this extra closeness as part of Sam's inner circle. Dave Jones quite rightly distanced himself from such nonsense which I believe then alienated himself from this supporter or supporters and the dislike of Dave Jones since then has become very personal in my opinion. I really would love us to get promoted for Dave Jones and if we did and I was him I would stick two fingers up to all his knockers. Unfortunately, I think that even if we did get promoted that it would be better for Dave Jones to leave because so many of our fans wouldn't be satisfied with promotion. The unrealistic expectations of some of our fans would mean they wouldn't be happy unless we were top 4 in the Premier League!!

At last someone with a bit of sense. Dave Jones is definitely the best manager we have ever had. Certainly since Jimmy Scoular in my time of watching the City. Perhaps there could be arguements for the managers in the 1920's, 1940's and late 50's early 60's but in my mind it's definitely Dave Jones closely followed by Jimmy Scoular. There is definitely a personal dislike of Dave Jones by certain posters on here (or a certain poster) probably because Dave Jones made it quite clear from the outset that he has no time for so called 'high profile' fans who were so used to thinking they were entitled to this extra closeness as part of Sam's inner circle. Dave Jones quite rightly distanced himself from such nonsense which I believe then alienated himself from this supporter or supporters and the dislike of Dave Jones since then has become very personal in my opinion. I really would love us to get promoted for Dave Jones and if we did and I was him I would stick two fingers up to all his knockers. Unfortunately, I think that even if we did get promoted that it would be better for Dave Jones to leave because so many of our fans wouldn't be satisfied with promotion. The unrealistic expectations of some of our fans would mean they wouldn't be happy unless we were top 4 in the Premier League!!

Dave Jones has alientated himself from all the fans not just a select few.

Jimmy Scoular is head and shoulders above Dave Jones. Scoular fought against a board that did not want promotion and also he had to sell his best player, that is Toshack, yet still challenged for promotion in what was a difficult league. In real terms Dave Jones has had the best squad ever in what has turned out to be a weak league. If Scoular was around today we would not be going to Reading tonight but planning our trips to Old Trafford, Emirates, White Hart Lane etc etc.

At last someone with a bit of sense. Dave Jones is definitely the best manager we have ever had. Certainly since Jimmy Scoular in my time of watching the City. Perhaps there could be arguements for the managers in the 1920's, 1940's and late 50's early 60's but in my mind it's definitely Dave Jones closely followed by Jimmy Scoular. There is definitely a personal dislike of Dave Jones by certain posters on here (or a certain poster) probably because Dave Jones made it quite clear from the outset that he has no time for so called 'high profile' fans who were so used to thinking they were entitled to this extra closeness as part of Sam's inner circle. Dave Jones quite rightly distanced himself from such nonsense which I believe then alienated himself from this supporter or supporters and the dislike of Dave Jones since then has become very personal in my opinion. I really would love us to get promoted for Dave Jones and if we did and I was him I would stick two fingers up to all his knockers. Unfortunately, I think that even if we did get promoted that it would be better for Dave Jones to leave because so many of our fans wouldn't be satisfied with promotion. The unrealistic expectations of some of our fans would mean they wouldn't be happy unless we were top 4 in the Premier League!!

Dave Jones has alientated himself from all the fans not just a select few.

Jimmy Scoular is head and shoulders above Dave Jones. Scoular fought against a board that did not want promotion and also he had to sell his best player, that is Toshack, yet still challenged for promotion in what was a difficult league. In real terms Dave Jones has had the best squad ever in what has turned out to be a weak league. If Scoular was around today we would not be going to Reading tonight but planning our trips to Old Trafford, Emirates, White Hart Lane etc etc.

i would go further than that and say if brendan rogers, paul lambert or neil warnock had had this squad we would be planning those same visits.
last night the reading manager attended the swans forest game . tonight billy davies and brendan rogers are at the reading game.
Our manager was probably in his hotel watching the players championship at saw grass.
sums it up for me as to why we have no tactical nous

Yes Scoular had to sell Toshack but Dave Jones has had to sell at least one of his best players every year he has been here accept for this season in a difficult division. Even before he took over we sold players( Gabbidon and the Ginger Monster if I remember rightly) and Dave Jones just told the club to do what they have to do and he will just get on with it. And that is what he has done season after season.

Yes Scoular had to sell Toshack but Dave Jones has had to sell at least one of his best players every year he has been here accept for this season in a difficult division. Even before he took over we sold players( Gabbidon and the Ginger Monster if I remember rightly) and Dave Jones just told the club to do what they have to do and he will just get on with it. And that is what he has done season after season.

and you can't deny that

for all the peoples who keep comparing us to like of the jacks and norwich and whoever....just think...these squads have had time to evolve, never weakening only adding to thier squads...you can not deny that dave jones has had to re-assemble his squads year on year since being in charge, so therefore in my opinion he has been a success here....if you think cardiff not being relegated in his first season was not a success, you really need to take a good hard look at yourself and realise just who we are as a club.....we're growing as a club and it takes a long time to flourish

for all the peoples who keep comparing us to like of the jacks and norwich and whoever....just think...these squads have had time to evolve, never weakening only adding to thier squads...you can not deny that dave jones has had to re-assemble his squads year on year since being in charge, so therefore in my opinion he has been a success here....if you think cardiff not being relegated in his first season was not a success, you really need to take a good hard look at yourself and realise just who we are as a club.....we're growing as a club and it takes a long time to flourish

Swansea and Norwich have had time to evolve and never weakened??? You might want to rethink that one mate.

Every team loses players, we aint unique in this.

Jacks lost Trundle, Scotland, Gomez, Britten, same as we lost Johnson, Loovens, Ramsey, Jerome.

Swansea had to bring in new players, difference is, Jacks brought in people like Dyer, Sinclair, Jones brought in Parkin and Taiwoo.

Jacks signed Borini on loan class signing, Jones has got 7 Loans and barv 1 their shit.

Koumas - Waste of time
JET - Doesnt care
J'Lloyd Samuel - dont go there
Bywater - dropped by bottom six team in same division, now our number 1
Jason Brown - why!
Bellamy - Class Act
Olifinjana - Hot and Cold.

1 in 7 Id class as good in 7 loan signings whilst Anthony Gerrard (our player) is out on loan at Hull winning player of the season, crazy aint it.

for all the peoples who keep comparing us to like of the jacks and norwich and whoever....just think...these squads have had time to evolve, never weakening only adding to thier squads...you can not deny that dave jones has had to re-assemble his squads year on year since being in charge, so therefore in my opinion he has been a success here....if you think cardiff not being relegated in his first season was not a success, you really need to take a good hard look at yourself and realise just who we are as a club.....we're growing as a club and it takes a long time to flourish

Swansea and Norwich have had time to evolve and never weakened??? You might want to rethink that one mate.

Every team loses players, we aint unique in this.

Jacks lost Trundle, Scotland, Gomez, Britten, same as we lost Johnson, Loovens, Ramsey, Jerome.

Swansea had to bring in new players, difference is, Jacks brought in people like Dyer, Sinclair, Jones brought in Parkin and Taiwoo.

Jacks signed Borini on loan class signing, Jones has got 7 Loans and barv 1 their shit.

Koumas - Waste of time
JET - Doesnt care
J'Lloyd Samuel - dont go there
Bywater - dropped by bottom six team in same division, now our number 1
Jason Brown - why!
Bellamy - Class Act
Olifinjana - Hot and Cold.

1 in 7 Id class as good in 7 loan signings whilst Anthony Gerrard (our player) is out on loan at Hull winning player of the season, crazy aint it.

sorry mate, i can't take you seriously if you compare the likes of gomes, trundle and co to Johnson, Loovens, Ramsey, Earnshaw, Gabbidon, collins, kavanagh, ledley, chopra (1st time around)..etc

Yes Scoular had to sell Toshack but Dave Jones has had to sell at least one of his best players every year he has been here accept for this season in a difficult division. Even before he took over we sold players( Gabbidon and the Ginger Monster if I remember rightly) and Dave Jones just told the club to do what they have to do and he will just get on with it. And that is what he has done season after season.

and you can't deny that

Uh yes I can.

He has not had to sell this season.

Dave Jones is a very good wheeler and dealer in the loans market. He has a
lot of contacts and given the restraints he's managed under, has overall done
bloody well in regards to the players he has got in to the club. Forget the
failures, lets be POSITIVE about his signings... this season is by far the best
squad of players i've ever seen at the Club. Admittedly, Bellamy was a gimme.

Now lets move on to the next step...

We have a set of lads the envy of the Championship. Indeed, most of them
were calling 'foul play' and asking for enquiries into our signings and finances
and were hoping we'd get slapped by the Football League. THATS how good
a side DAVE JONES put together....

Now lets talk tactics.

Since he has been at the club he has NEVER gone with a defensive midfielder
who will sit in front of the back four and snap away at opposing players and
be happy to hold, be an extra body to go past, happy to do the donkey work.
Year after year after year we have seen our defences fold under pressure.
Now i'm not saying a 'defensive holding midfielder' is/was the answer to our
problems. But if I was Manager, I'd have tried it by now, I'd have give it a
shot. So would any other Manager i'd imagine.

But Jones comes from the one-man school of "let them worry about us"...

Well, I'm sorry Dave but with Bellamy Chopra Bothroyd Whittingham Burke
Koumas Olifinyana etc in our squad the other teams DO worry about us.
They worry about us that much that they watch us, study us and go out
there hell bent on stopping us playing our normal game. They will sit deep.
They will put quick lads in the middle of midfield. Quick lads on the flanks.
They will look to hit us on the break. They will look to score first because
Cardiff City are shite at reacting to going behind. Most of all... they will
compete for everything... because they all know we have a group of players
that generally dont like to put their foot in.

Its called tactics Dave. Tactics and motivation.

They tell their players "stick to what we've said. Keep it tight back there, defend
as though your lives depend on it and the goals will come...oh and dont give the
fuckers one free f*cking inch on that pitch or they'll bury you"

Dave Jones has no passion, his teams dont play with any passion.. and when the
opposition do.. we generally fall short

Best manager ever?? get real.

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN DJ Cannot be Called a GREAT MANAGER, to EARN THAT TITLE YOU HAVE TO WIN PROMOTIONS and TROPHIES END OFF.

sorry mate, i can't take you seriously if you compare the likes of gomes, trundle and co to Johnson, Loovens, Ramsey, Earnshaw, Gabbidon, collins, kavanagh, ledley, chopra (1st time around)..etc

Well, I can't take you seriously if you fail to grasp the obvious point that was made.

Gomez, Scotland, Trundle et al were important cogs within the Swansea side, same as the players we lost were vital to us.

We both lost vital players for our squads.

Jacks rebuilt, without spending the earth, and have seen routine improvement. We've rebuilt, getting into debt, paying high wages, facing another rebuild at the end of the season...

sorry mate, i can't take you seriously if you compare the likes of gomes, trundle and co to Johnson, Loovens, Ramsey, Earnshaw, Gabbidon, collins, kavanagh, ledley, chopra (1st time around)..etc

Well, I can't take you seriously if you fail to grasp the obvious point that was made.

Gomez, Scotland, Trundle et al were important cogs within the Swansea side, same as the players we lost were vital to us.

We both lost vital players for our squads.

Jacks rebuilt, without spending the earth, and have seen routine improvement. We've rebuilt, getting into debt, paying high wages, facing another rebuild at the end of the season...

Exactly Nerd, it seems to have gone completely over his head.

He claimed Swansea and Norwich have never had to sell players and had time to evove which is simply not true.

We ourselves, even took Norwich's Number 1 Scottish International Goalkeeper from the when they went down!

Dave Jones is a very good wheeler and dealer in the loans market.

Hello Fella,

Respect your opinions but you cant be serious with that part.

Dave Jones has signed on loan this season

J'Lloyd Samuel
Jay Emanuel Thomas
Jason Koumas
Andy Keogh
Olifinjana in a swap for Gerrard who's had player of the season at Hull
Jason Brown
Bellamy as you said was a gimme.

and Ramsey for a short period who was obviously class.

On the players he's actualy signed, Naylor, Parkin and Keinan, only one is any good.

Whilst all this is going on he's also bombed out Adam Mathews, sold Ross McCormack.

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How long do you keep going with blind faith?

What does this mean?

Dave Jones is a very good wheeler and dealer in the loans market.

Hello Fella,

Respect your opinions but you cant be serious with that part.

Dave Jones has signed on loan this season

J'Lloyd Samuel
Jay Emanuel Thomas
Jason Koumas
Andy Keogh
Olifinjana in a swap for Gerrard who's had player of the season at Hull
Jason Brown
Bellamy as you said was a gimme.

and Ramsey for a short period who was obviously class.

On the players he's actualy signed, Naylor, Parkin and Keinan, only one is any good.

Whilst all this is going on he's also bombed out Adam Mathews, sold Ross McCormack.

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K. Your right. Hes TOTALLY shite