" This'bottlers'tag myth "

Lakey you now my thoughts as well as many others on here do and I stand by everything I have said all season and reiterate what you have posted.

Nobody should be allowed to say we are bottlers and DJ got no motivation and he as no plan B or his hands are in his pockets and come up with every possible and unjustified comment they can to down him but then on the other hand never give him credit for the run of results that get us to within touching distance again.

I accept Dave Jones has many faults as a manager but I do not see the DJ outers claiming he has many excellent qualities either.

spot on

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

Right, so if the jacks had conceded three in the first twenty one minutes while losing at home in their penultimate match of the regular season against a team with nothing to play for when they had a chance to get into an automatic promotion spot, you wouldn't be saying they had bottled it?

I'd have a lot more sympathy for your viewpoint if what happened on Monday was an isolated incident, but you conveniently choose to ignore that several of the current squad and this manager have "previous" when it comes to bottling it. Apart from the most dramatic end of season capitulation I can remember (with the exception of Dave Jones' Wolves in 2001/02) two years ago, Cardiff City lost a big lead at the top of the table in November to finish below halfway in 2006/07 and, leaving aside their defeat to a better team in Blackpool in last season's Play Off Final, they allowed what should have been a comfortable 2-0 aggregate lead against Leicester in the Semi Final to develop into the stomach churning, nail biter it became by chucking away that advantage by, yes that's right, conceding three goals in twenty odd minutes.

There's nothing I want more than City to prove me wrong by going up to Burnley and putting in a performance that allows us to end the regular season feeling proud about the team. That would certainly end this sense of foreboding that I have currently which says we are watching a repeat of those last four matches in 2008/09, but it would also require Dave Jones and his players to produce the goods on the really big occasion and they've hardly ever done that over the past six seasons.

TOBW has put this thread to bed.

Put what to bed exactly? Just because the man is a consistent poster and a regular blogger who i have the utmost respect for btw, does that mean he's right and anyone that has a different opinion on this subject is wrong? He's no more Cardiff than anyone else here. We showed enough steel and bottle recently at Bramall Lane, Deepdale, The Keepmoat and to a lesser extent The New Den. If we had got beat in any of those fixtures, the same people would have been lining up with the time honoured'bottle'myth. 1 defeat in 8 games and several can't wait to get the knives out. I'm more gutted than anyone that we failed to go up automatic, but if i can't take any crumbs of comfort and realism out of it, i'll be just as bad as the johnny-come lately miserable tossers we've got following us nowadays

Lakey, correct fella, 1 loss in 8 would/should have been good enough. But fair play to Norwich their recent form is outstanding. The way I look at it is, we now got a chance to return to Wembley and put that awful day last year to bed, and if we do it against that shower down the road even better. Tin hats time me thinks

[CityGent"]Tony Blue Williams"]["the other Bob Wilson"][CityGent"]Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet[


Right, so if the jacks had conceded three in the first twenty one minutes while losing at home in their penultimate match of the regular season against a team with nothing to play for when they had a chance to get into an automatic promotion spot, you wouldn't be saying they had bottled it?

I'd have a lot more sympathy for your viewpoint if what happened on Monday was an isolated incident, but you conveniently choose to ignore that several of the current squad and this manager have "previous" when it comes to bottling it. Apart from the most dramatic end of season capitulation I can remember (with the exception of Dave Jones' Wolves in 2001/02) two years ago, Cardiff City lost a big lead at the top of the table in November to finish below halfway in 2006/07 and, leaving aside their defeat to a better team in Blackpool in last season's Play Off Final, they allowed what should have been a comfortable 2-0 aggregate lead against Leicester in the Semi Final to develop into the stomach churning, nail biter it became by chucking away that advantage by, yes that's right, conceding three goals in twenty odd minutes.

There's nothing I want more than City to prove me wrong by going up to Burnley and putting in a performance that allows us to end the regular season feeling proud about the team. That would certainly end this sense of foreboding that I have currently which says we are watching a repeat of those last four matches in 2008/09, but it would also require Dave Jones and his players to produce the goods on the really big occasion and they've hardly ever done that over the past six seasons.[/

TOBW has put this thread to bed. :ayatollah

Put what to bed exactly? Just because the man is a consistent poster and a regular blogger who i have the utmost respect for btw, does that mean he's right and anyone that has a different opinion on this subject is wrong? He's no more Cardiff than anyone else here. We showed enough steel and bottle recently at Bramall Lane, Deepdale, The Keepmoat and to a lesser extent The New Den. If we had got beat in any of those fixtures, the same people would have been lining up with the time honoured'bottle'myth. 1 defeat in 8 games and several can't wait to get the knives out. I'm more gutted than anyone that we failed to go up automatic, but if i can't take any crumbs of comfort and realism out of it, i'll be just as bad as the johnny-come lately miserable tossers we've got following us nowadays[/quote]







whatever the rights and wrongs of the argument although i concur with the argument that his record does show him to be a nearly man he will have if qpr get docked points another two opportunities to put all that behind him.
I would rather we won at burnley because if the jacks won and went up in qpr's place then i think the pressure that would come down on the managers and players would be extreme enough to wreck any confidence prior to the playoffs.

I would add that i have never been jones greatest fan and thats simply because of his refusal to put any faith in youth and also his stubborness.
by stubborn i use the naylor example as a point in case. It was obvious that naylor at one stage of the season was a weak link in the side , the press saw it and the fans saw it yet he kept him in for a number of weeks until suddenly as is daves way the player dissapears off the face of the earth.
I would also say that i have seen a lot of sides fitter than us this season which i always think means concentration goes first and thats why we perhaps concede late goals.

i meant to add to the sentence about his youth policy by stating that when a 25 year old wins young player of the year it says everything you need to know about his attitude towards youth

Before yesterdays'18 minute freakshow, i for one couldn't have been prouder of the way the squad(and manager)have conducted themselves during the run-in since the Ipswich defeat. Everyone are rightly devastated but for us to have one defeat in ten games and still Norwich take us at the end you can't knock the canaries for an amazing bit of consistency(and the durability of ten injury time goals). Now today, all the moaners who have nothing else to do but moan are waving their victory flags whilst taking a perverse satisfaction and a smug grin that the side they so-call support are possibly doomed to failure. Are these the same clowns giving their Burnley briefs back? That's another subject

Some people will point to late goals conceded v Barnsley, Burnley, Palace, Norwich, Millwall and Reading, but those could be balanced out with our own late shows v Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Swansea, Hull and Coventry. It does sometimes seem like we're jinxed and destined never to get to the top flight and after going on a great unbeaten run, only one club in the countrys'world could feel like its caving in 18 minutes later. For me they've shown tremendous bottle to get where we are. Swansea have been breathing down our necks all season but we always fought back. I understand people saying we should be doing better with the squad we have, but some deluded Cardiff half -expected us to go the whole season without getting beat. They must be the same potty twats who have taken their Burnley tickets back. If the playoffs are the worst we can achieve, then the playoffs it is. After yesterdays'travesty, i'm quietly confident it won't get any worse than that. Dave Jones'critics wrongly say he can't motivate his players. Bollocks. Checkout our current form before yesterdays'freak occurence

Roll on Turf Moor. We're down but nowhere near out yet

f*cking spot on mate,some fans will never be happy,if we do go up,then there will be fans moaning that we should be pushing to get a place in europe

You know what ? I love this club through and through, but do you know what really bugs me ? The constant bickering between our fans. I have never seen anything as bad as us at any other club.

Why cant we just all come together as a unit and support our fans regardless of our opinions of DJ and the players, or fans leaving early through games etc. We will always have a difference of opinion on DJ, but I think we should all respect each others opinions and focus on the job at hand, instead of all this constant bickering that goes on each season.

The season isn't over yet, we have Burnley on the weekend and a possible QPR points deduction. If all that fails we still have the play offs.

Please can us Cardiff fans stop fighting among ourselves and come together for our final last push where I honetly do belive we have a very strong chance of reaching the premier leauge this year.

We are all one big family, we are the Bluebirds, we are the capital city, we are the greatest team in Wales and we are going to the Premiership where we belong !!!

Thats a fair point! I dont like to be negative and I agree with the views that we have done very well to get where we are, but those teams that have been successful and what we need to do to get promotion is do really well and then do even better by wrapping it up, which we continuously fail to do!! hopefully we can learn from this once and for all and win the playoffs!!!