Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:23 pm
Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:06 pm
Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:12 pm
EC95 wrote:Cardiff City, the first championship team to sack a manager for taking them to Wembley three times in three seasons, assembling one of the most talented teams in the league and lying four points outside the automatic places after a play-off final defeat, all under huge debt, because his team have had a bad couple of weeks.
Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:26 pm
EC95 wrote:Cardiff City, the first championship team to sack a manager for taking them to Wembley three times in three seasons, assembling one of the most talented teams in the league and lying four points outside the automatic places after a play-off final defeat, all under huge debt, because his team have had a bad couple of weeks.
Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:33 pm
Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:52 pm
nerd wrote:Yeah, I'd really love us to lose every game. I'm clearly not a real fan like you, I assume.
Face facts - you're implying nobody should ever dare criticise Dave Jones whatsoever.
After all, it's our fault that, as Annis said, we play as a team of individuals rather than a team.
It's our fault DJ continually puts down our clubs history - in last programme mentioning "reaching a league we've never been in". No, we've never ever played at the highest level.
It's our fault DJ comes out with baffling selections, formations, substitutions.
It's our fault we've an appauling record when conceding the first goal.
it's our fault we slump every season.
It's our fault that, when DJ castigates players for slumping as being "not mentally tough enough" that the players he replaces with do exacly the same.
I and everyone else would love us to get promoted. DJ's history tells us we're more likely not to. But us "plastic" fans shouldn't mention anything other than expressing the view we'll win every game and win the title...
But still, you can at least claim you're a greater fan than everyone else, right?
Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:33 pm
jinks-rct wrote:easternblue wrote:How do you people expect the team to perform under the negative pressure you put on them!! Its ridiculous, you dont realise that us fans and our actions have a massive impact on the performance of the pitch!
Think about it... if you thought everybody hated you in your workplace and with your manager telling you that you were rubbish at your job, would you want to go into work and perform for those people???
dave jones is probably not telling the players they are rubbish at their jobs.
and in most jobs you fail to make a target over a few weeks and you will either be fired or on your last warning.
Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:40 pm
Bluebird64 wrote:jinks-rct wrote:easternblue wrote:How do you people expect the team to perform under the negative pressure you put on them!! Its ridiculous, you dont realise that us fans and our actions have a massive impact on the performance of the pitch!
Think about it... if you thought everybody hated you in your workplace and with your manager telling you that you were rubbish at your job, would you want to go into work and perform for those people???
dave jones is probably not telling the players they are rubbish at their jobs.
and in most jobs you fail to make a target over a few weeks and you will either be fired or on your last warning.
Complete rubbish. there was no negative pressure when we were 2 - 1 up and the place was rocking yet the team still managed to underperform and knocked the stuffing out of us again.
Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:45 pm
Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:12 am
Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:02 am
Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:08 am
Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:22 am
Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:45 am
nerd wrote:Like it or not, Dave, it depends upon the confidence the Malaysians have in Jones being able to turn things around. And, if we don't go up this season, if he can get us up at all.
A new manager could turn things around; or the damage may have been done.
If the latter, then my rationale for a new manager would be he'd get games this season to assess the squad, see what needs fixing, have plans in mind for summer and next season rather than appointing cold in summer.
Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:48 am
DaveSheffield wrote:nerd wrote:Like it or not, Dave, it depends upon the confidence the Malaysians have in Jones being able to turn things around. And, if we don't go up this season, if he can get us up at all.
A new manager could turn things around; or the damage may have been done.
If the latter, then my rationale for a new manager would be he'd get games this season to assess the squad, see what needs fixing, have plans in mind for summer and next season rather than appointing cold in summer.
But the damage hasn't been done. We can still get promoted and while that remains a fact sacking Jones remains an untenable option.
Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:56 pm
Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:23 am
Nathan Walker wrote:First all let me just say that this will be my last post on either forum for quite some time due to an important few months coming up in the coming months. I have been off forums for a few days now but foolishly checked on them yesterday after the match. Following on from that check in I came today just before the Norwich game for any information etc and come across some rather peculiar posts that begs the question do you really want us to go up? Or do you just want DJ gone?
A thread on here today picked Dave Jones out for everything he did wrong. From "Not looking at Chopra getting injured" or "The subs not looking" Some people need to get a grip.These people are just looking for some things to moan at and using anything to get something against Jones and the squad.
Ofcourse I am disappointed, What city fan wont be after recent games? But some of the stuff being spouted around is truely shocking. Some people are saying lets chant 'Terry Burton Barmy Army' to try and make Jones feel uncomfortable. Now ask yourself a question, Do Swansea, Leeds, Norwich, QPR, Burnley or Leicester or anyone else in the footballing world do this? Get into your heads that you are trying to make OUR mananger of OUR team uncomfortable with 9 games to go? You are trying to get the man in charge of our premiership push uncomfortable and knock him down off a perch? I really do not get it.
Some of you seem to want DJ gone more than anything and are willing to sacrifice the best chance frankly we will ever get of going to the PL. People like this do not deserve the status of being a premiership football fan. All they want to do is moan moan and moan against little things that in the grand scheme of things are nothing.
How about instead of booing at half time when the team are drawing and had numerous chances and actually cheering them on? How about we all get some balls and show that we are strong enough as fans for this? We are 4 points off 2nd place with 9 games to go. Thats 27 points. Norwich games are
Hull v Norwich, 15:00
Norwich v Scunthorpe, 15:00
Swansea v Norwich, 17:20
Watford v Norwich, 19:45
Norwich v Nott'm Forest, 19:45
Ipswich v Norwich, 19:45
Norwich v Derby, 15:00
Portsmouth v Norwich
Norwich v Coventry
These are tricky games and they will drop points. Stop moaning and getting the players and management down. Instead of moaning about 'Passion' show some proper passion yourself and get singing and not slating our own players ffs!
Anyway I have made my point, Some of you will agree and some of you wont but we should all agree that to get the best out of the players they need to have the best out of us. Through singing and not through abuse.
Bring on the next 9 games
See you at the end of the season
Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:28 am
nerd wrote:And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.
The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?
Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.
Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:57 am
DaveSheffield wrote:nerd wrote:And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.
The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?
Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.
That's like saying when Blackpool were in the playoffs last season that they could've got promoted but history suggested they wouldn't.
And look at them now.
It all goes back to the fact (yes, the fact, not it "appears" that the dressing room is divided, that's not a fact) that we still have every chance of promotion.
Tyler Durden - How are we "VERY VERY lucky"to still be in contention? We are there on merit having gained more points than 19 other sides in this league.
And even if we were very lucky (we're not) then the same goes for Blackpool and Burnley who were also lucky in recent years. D'you think they give a damn? Not by a long shot.
Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:05 am
tylerdurdenisabluebird wrote:DaveSheffield wrote:nerd wrote:And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.
The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?
Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.
That's like saying when Blackpool were in the playoffs last season that they could've got promoted but history suggested they wouldn't.
And look at them now.
It all goes back to the fact (yes, the fact, not it "appears" that the dressing room is divided, that's not a fact) that we still have every chance of promotion.
Tyler Durden - How are we "VERY VERY lucky"to still be in contention? We are there on merit having gained more points than 19 other sides in this league.
And even if we were very lucky (we're not) then the same goes for Blackpool and Burnley who were also lucky in recent years. D'you think they give a damn? Not by a long shot.
I've explained VERY CLEARLY in my post how we are very lucky, please stop using your DJ bias to overlook the facts or the evidence. Some of you are saying some very irrational things, akin to I don't know what.
Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:49 am