" Some of you lot do not deserve promotion "

[quote="easternblue"]How do you people expect the team to perform under the negative pressure you put on them!! Its ridiculous, you dont realise that us fans and our actions have a massive impact on the performance of the pitch!
Think about it... if you thought everybody hated you in your workplace and with your manager telling you that you were rubbish at your job, would you want to go into work and perform for those people???

dave jones is probably not telling the players they are rubbish at their jobs.
and in most jobs you fail to make a target over a few weeks and you will either be fired or on your last warning.

Cardiff City, the first championship team to sack a manager for taking them to Wembley three times in three seasons, assembling one of the most talented teams in the league and lying four points outside the automatic places after a play-off final defeat, all under huge debt, because his team have had a bad couple of weeks.

Cardiff City, the first championship team to sack a manager for taking them to Wembley three times in three seasons, assembling one of the most talented teams in the league and lying four points outside the automatic places after a play-off final defeat, all under huge debt, because his team have had a bad couple of weeks.

Nothing to do with a couple of bad weeks. Its to do with history and that being under a manager who has bottled it the last 2 seasons and looks like bottling it again. You only get so many chances in life when it comes to business.

Cardiff City, the first championship team to sack a manager for taking them to Wembley three times in three seasons, assembling one of the most talented teams in the league and lying four points outside the automatic places after a play-off final defeat, all under huge debt, because his team have had a bad couple of weeks.

I agree with what your saying but it's more to do with shit tactics and shit rapour with the fans. I think overall he's been a decent manager for Cardiff but I think he's reached the end of the line in what he can achieve.
I personally think it's too late to sack him this season, I don't think changing Managers even to Burton would help matters.
Just got to hope for the best and support the boys 100% and hope they can do the same on the pitch.

i somewhat agree, i stayed off here since sunday as knew so much rubbish would be posted,
however, Jones does need to show leadership now, if anyone thinks they are bigger than the club then leave them out completely, whoever they are.
I do feel that messageboards have not done our football club this here, and yes that does include me as I read and post on them, but so much stiiring and whispers have gone on which have prob cost this club promotion as it had divided the fans from each other and the team.

Yeah, I'd really love us to lose every game. I'm clearly not a real fan like you, I assume.

Face facts - you're implying nobody should ever dare criticise Dave Jones whatsoever.

After all, it's our fault that, as Annis said, we play as a team of individuals rather than a team.

It's our fault DJ continually puts down our clubs history - in last programme mentioning "reaching a league we've never been in". No, we've never ever played at the highest level.

It's our fault DJ comes out with baffling selections, formations, substitutions.

It's our fault we've an appauling record when conceding the first goal.

it's our fault we slump every season.

It's our fault that, when DJ castigates players for slumping as being "not mentally tough enough" that the players he replaces with do exacly the same.

I and everyone else would love us to get promoted. DJ's history tells us we're more likely not to. But us "plastic" fans shouldn't mention anything other than expressing the view we'll win every game and win the title...

But still, you can at least claim you're a greater fan than everyone else, right?

That is class , now compare it to the OP and tell me which one is negative.

How do you people expect the team to perform under the negative pressure you put on them!! Its ridiculous, you dont realise that us fans and our actions have a massive impact on the performance of the pitch!
Think about it... if you thought everybody hated you in your workplace and with your manager telling you that you were rubbish at your job, would you want to go into work and perform for those people???

dave jones is probably not telling the players they are rubbish at their jobs.
and in most jobs you fail to make a target over a few weeks and you will either be fired or on your last warning.

Complete rubbish. there was no negative pressure when we were 2 - 1 up and the place was rocking yet the team still managed to underperform and knocked the stuffing out of us again.

How do you people expect the team to perform under the negative pressure you put on them!! Its ridiculous, you dont realise that us fans and our actions have a massive impact on the performance of the pitch!
Think about it... if you thought everybody hated you in your workplace and with your manager telling you that you were rubbish at your job, would you want to go into work and perform for those people???

dave jones is probably not telling the players they are rubbish at their jobs.
and in most jobs you fail to make a target over a few weeks and you will either be fired or on your last warning.

Complete rubbish. there was no negative pressure when we were 2 - 1 up and the place was rocking yet the team still managed to underperform and knocked the stuffing out of us again.

EXACTLY WELL SAID

We might have been to wembley 3 times but what have we won-diddly squat, bugger all, nothing.

We have the best squad which means we should be top not 4th and 4 points off promotion.

orite so what if we did sack dave jones now ? people point to ipswich and preston as "good examples" to waht new managers can do but what people seem to be forgetting is there has been something like 30 sacked managers this year and most of them teams who done it are still down in the dumps

I don't need to tell the original poster he's spot on, he already knows he's right. Credit to him.

I can take or leave the rest of the negative posters who want rid of Jones with a paltry 9 games to go.

Sack him at the end of the season if we don't go up. Yeah. Fine.

But with 9 games to go? Hilarity.

Glad some of you lot are just a bunch of people posting on an internet forum with no influence at the club whatsoever. Perhaps that's what causes the strength of feeling in the first place.

Relax. Support and positivity are the only things that will benefit the club as a whole right now.

But hey, let's sack the manager. Right now.

Because I'm sure Sheffield Utd, Sheffield Wednesday, Preston, West Ham, Charlton, Southampton, Bristol City, Leicester (I seem to remember them getting relegated under a certain Mr Holloway), Middlesbrough, Plymouth (actually sacked Neil Warnock back in 1996) and even Chelsea will back some of you up on that one.

Like it or not, Dave, it depends upon the confidence the Malaysians have in Jones being able to turn things around. And, if we don't go up this season, if he can get us up at all.

A new manager could turn things around; or the damage may have been done.

If the latter, then my rationale for a new manager would be he'd get games this season to assess the squad, see what needs fixing, have plans in mind for summer and next season rather than appointing cold in summer.

I have seen in my lifetime CCFC promoted 7 times ............ and I have not deserved any of them have I ?Wwe have been in the Championship for 8 years which again is the longest Ive ever seen City in the same division , so seeing as I have witnessed just as many relegations too ( which I didnt deserve ) then maybe , just maybe we are overdue 1 or the other ? As the saying goes ....... the only was is up

Like it or not, Dave, it depends upon the confidence the Malaysians have in Jones being able to turn things around. And, if we don't go up this season, if he can get us up at all.

A new manager could turn things around; or the damage may have been done.

If the latter, then my rationale for a new manager would be he'd get games this season to assess the squad, see what needs fixing, have plans in mind for summer and next season rather than appointing cold in summer.

But the damage hasn't been done. We can still get promoted and while that remains a fact sacking Jones remains an untenable option.

Like it or not, Dave, it depends upon the confidence the Malaysians have in Jones being able to turn things around. And, if we don't go up this season, if he can get us up at all.

A new manager could turn things around; or the damage may have been done.

If the latter, then my rationale for a new manager would be he'd get games this season to assess the squad, see what needs fixing, have plans in mind for summer and next season rather than appointing cold in summer.

But the damage hasn't been done. We can still get promoted and while that remains a fact sacking Jones remains an untenable option.

And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.

The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?

Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.

We are VERY VERY lucky to still be in contention, and it shows how weak this championship is that we still are. Any other year and at least 2 of the teams around us would've gone on an excellent run, and put us out of automatic contention.

First all let me just say that this will be my last post on either forum for quite some time due to an important few months coming up in the coming months. I have been off forums for a few days now but foolishly checked on them yesterday after the match. Following on from that check in I came today just before the Norwich game for any information etc and come across some rather peculiar posts that begs the question do you really want us to go up? Or do you just want DJ gone?

A thread on here today picked Dave Jones out for everything he did wrong. From "Not looking at Chopra getting injured" or "The subs not looking" Some people need to get a grip.These people are just looking for some things to moan at and using anything to get something against Jones and the squad.

Ofcourse I am disappointed, What city fan wont be after recent games? But some of the stuff being spouted around is truely shocking. Some people are saying lets chant 'Terry Burton Barmy Army' to try and make Jones feel uncomfortable. Now ask yourself a question, Do Swansea, Leeds, Norwich, QPR, Burnley or Leicester or anyone else in the footballing world do this? Get into your heads that you are trying to make OUR mananger of OUR team uncomfortable with 9 games to go? You are trying to get the man in charge of our premiership push uncomfortable and knock him down off a perch? I really do not get it.

Some of you seem to want DJ gone more than anything and are willing to sacrifice the best chance frankly we will ever get of going to the PL. People like this do not deserve the status of being a premiership football fan. All they want to do is moan moan and moan against little things that in the grand scheme of things are nothing.

How about instead of booing at half time when the team are drawing and had numerous chances and actually cheering them on? How about we all get some balls and show that we are strong enough as fans for this? We are 4 points off 2nd place with 9 games to go. Thats 27 points. Norwich games are
Hull v Norwich, 15:00
Norwich v Scunthorpe, 15:00
Swansea v Norwich, 17:20
Watford v Norwich, 19:45
Norwich v Nott'm Forest, 19:45
Ipswich v Norwich, 19:45
Norwich v Derby, 15:00
Portsmouth v Norwich
Norwich v Coventry

These are tricky games and they will drop points. Stop moaning and getting the players and management down. Instead of moaning about 'Passion' show some proper passion yourself and get singing and not slating our own players ffs!

Anyway I have made my point, Some of you will agree and some of you wont but we should all agree that to get the best out of the players they need to have the best out of us. Through singing and not through abuse.
Bring on the next 9 games
See you at the end of the season

absoluely 100% spot on in every single word spoken mate,
ive lost faith in our fans now honestly, im proud of what DJ has done for this club in the long term with the resources he's had up until this season, and ok he may not take us up this season now but i genuinely believe he's got an impossible job with the negativity we get from the fans at this club unfortunately, i wish that wasnt the case, but everyone seems to think were Barcelona and should be guaranteed to cruise this league... we may still go up and if we do, it will be because you have to fight every single week to earn every point in the Championship because no game is easy, and we will deserve to go up if we do whether its by cruising the league or taking it to the last day... all i know is that i will be supporting the club, the manager, the players, cheering our top scorer instead of booing him, and doing everything i can as a fan to get behind us and see us promoted, unfortunately, we dont have the majority of the fans doing the same so it may all be meaningless

And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.

The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?

Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.

That's like saying when Blackpool were in the playoffs last season that they could've got promoted but history suggested they wouldn't.

And look at them now.

It all goes back to the fact (yes, the fact, not it "appears" that the dressing room is divided, that's not a fact) that we still have every chance of promotion.


Tyler Durden - How are we "VERY VERY lucky"to still be in contention? We are there on merit having gained more points than 19 other sides in this league.

And even if we were very lucky (we're not) then the same goes for Blackpool and Burnley who were also lucky in recent years. D'you think they give a damn? Not by a long shot.

And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.

The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?

Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.

That's like saying when Blackpool were in the playoffs last season that they could've got promoted but history suggested they wouldn't.

And look at them now.

It all goes back to the fact (yes, the fact, not it "appears" that the dressing room is divided, that's not a fact) that we still have every chance of promotion.


Tyler Durden - How are we "VERY VERY lucky"to still be in contention? We are there on merit having gained more points than 19 other sides in this league.

And even if we were very lucky (we're not) then the same goes for Blackpool and Burnley who were also lucky in recent years. D'you think they give a damn? Not by a long shot.

I've explained VERY CLEARLY in my post how we are very lucky, please stop using your DJ bias to overlook the facts or the evidence. Some of you are saying some very irrational things, akin to I don't know what.

And again, it depends upon the Malaysians view of things - they'd have more knowledge of behind the scenes.

The fact remains that, yet again, there appears to be a divided dressing room, Dj maybe having lost control. How many more times would that be allowed to happen?

Yes, we can still get promoted. Would we? History says no. And why are we still in contention? Because other teams are dropping points - yet given chance after chance after chance, we're not capitalising on golden opportunities landing in our laps. We're no longer in control of our own destiny, we need to relying on those teams continuing to drop points.

That's like saying when Blackpool were in the playoffs last season that they could've got promoted but history suggested they wouldn't.

And look at them now.

It all goes back to the fact (yes, the fact, not it "appears" that the dressing room is divided, that's not a fact) that we still have every chance of promotion.


Tyler Durden - How are we "VERY VERY lucky"to still be in contention? We are there on merit having gained more points than 19 other sides in this league.

And even if we were very lucky (we're not) then the same goes for Blackpool and Burnley who were also lucky in recent years. D'you think they give a damn? Not by a long shot.

I've explained VERY CLEARLY in my post how we are very lucky, please stop using your DJ bias to overlook the facts or the evidence. Some of you are saying some very irrational things, akin to I don't know what.

I rather fear that WE have been the team to go on that run, when Rambo was here. There's also Norwich, and the Jacks. They must be on good runs.

I have no bias towards or against DJ, I just try to remain optimistic and positive as the culture of negativity on the messageboards is one which can and will pervade other parts of the club, the media and the support who aren't on here.

And there's no need for the negativity when we can still get promoted to the Premier League for the first time in 30 odd years.

Bored of all this now, the teams divided blatantly, the fans are divided so as a club we are divided and the Manager is the one who should sort it out, but hes not capable and just chooses to ignore it or passes the buck and blames everyone else.

We will see who changes there tone come the end of the Season