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But Sludge it has worked and this technique has saved many lives. The reason that it works with them is the fact they wont let it kill them but the fear and thought of drowning is apparently ever so real. So it works with them and because it might infringe there human rights well to be frank Sludge young man i will let it ruin your day coz i dont give a flying toss about these scum who want to murder us for our way of life.

it doesnt matter if you pull out their toenails on eby one

if someoen is that committed to their belief then you can do what you want to them , its got feck all to do with human rights , I like you couldnt give a toss about that in this issue

its to do with the fact that an extremist is prepared to die for what he wants so torture wont bother them an someone who we catch who isnt guilty but subjected to this will more than likely turn into one if hes put through this

when you are dealing with fanatical extremists you can do what you like to them , they dont care and believe they are going to paradise

all waterboarding would do would make those who are innocent hate the people , the police and the state who did it

and lead to more terrorism

this country has its faults but ON THE WHOLE the best way to deal with this sort of thing is the security services , not shady back street torture

it aint shady back street torture, its government sponsored torture, its ok, if it saves us from being killed in caroline street im all for it

what if it breeds more nutters ?

I find it interesting that a message board that is without fail up in arms about bad policing when it comes to how football fans are treated, is willing to give the same police the power of torture!

The 12 people that been arrested toady are innocent and shall remain innocent until proven guilty, that's what happens in a decent, civilised society.

The emotive argument very often used is - "how would you react if your loved one got killed...".

Well how would these people like it if their, brother, father or son went through waterboarding based on bad police evidence?

Remain innocent until proven guilty? not if your accused of rape it's not.

We are to soft on these tossers who live in our society born here or not, taking the f*cking piss out of us and spitting on the hand that feeds them. Wanting to kill you and your kids. They mock our forces, burn our flags and f**k all happens to them. In Turkey last week a Greek was climbing a flagpole to take the Turkish flag off and they shot him off it ( get my point ). Torture and why not, isn't that what they are trying to put us through in a round about way. Look at the way these terrorists have publicly executed people on film so there family's can see it, f**k, are they being tortured or not?. If torture means saving just one life then it's well worth it. Oh! Oh! But what if there innocent you keep saying. No there all painted with the same brush as far as I'm concerned. Go on call me what you like but I only speak my mind. FREEDOM OF SPEACH THATS WHAT I CALL IT.








Sort it all out now or you wont be able to be

Im with you all the way on that one mate,this country as become the laughing stock of europe,this soft pussy footing government are turning this country into a sespit,the labour party started this shit by opening the doors and allowing these extremists here in the first place.

Im with you all the way on that one mate,this country as become the laughing stock of europe,this soft pussy footing government are turning this country into a sespit,the labour party started this shit by opening the doors and allowing these extremists here in the first place.

its our countries actions in iraq and afghan is whats bringing these extremists to our streets! we have f**ked up badly invading their countries! 66,000 civilians dead and you expect them to sit back and do nothing! if my son was killed by a british bullet, id want revenge the same as them! LETS GET OUR TROOPS OUT NOW!

But Sludge it has worked and this technique has saved many lives. The reason that it works with them is the fact they wont let it kill them but the fear and thought of drowning is apparently ever so real. So it works with them and because it might infringe there human rights well to be frank Sludge young man i will let it ruin your day coz i dont give a flying toss about these scum who want to murder us for our way of life.

it doesnt matter if you pull out their toenails on eby one

if someoen is that committed to their belief then you can do what you want to them , its got feck all to do with human rights , I like you couldnt give a toss about that in this issue

its to do with the fact that an extremist is prepared to die for what he wants so torture wont bother them an someone who we catch who isnt guilty but subjected to this will more than likely turn into one if hes put through this

But it does work on these nutters. They say everyone cracks in the end. And i am sorry Sludge i can see you are very concerned for the well being and the human rights of these terrorists but not of our human rights and that is sad. Good debate Sludge and thanks for contributing.

But Sludge it has worked and this technique has saved many lives. The reason that it works with them is the fact they wont let it kill them but the fear and thought of drowning is apparently ever so real. So it works with them and because it might infringe there human rights well to be frank Sludge young man i will let it ruin your day coz i dont give a flying toss about these scum who want to murder us for our way of life.

over 110,000 iraqis [66,000 civilians] have been killed since the start of our "so called" war on terror. who`s murdering who here and changing peoples way of lifes? ... my life is the same and so is yours, their life in iraq is a living hell!

Come on Aherne the Taliban kill many more of there own in Afghanistan. They are medieval they are evil and they also use children as human shields as well. Women have no rights and if they dont comply they are murdered, and it is an insult to our boys and galls out there that you are suggesting that they murder civilians. But hey we should treat this scum with respect should we ?. Just as long as they suffer no distress or hurt there feelings they can go about there buisness and kill inocents. As far as you are concerned by your posts you have every sympathy with the Taliban and support there actions against our brave troops. That is how i interpret your posts Chief.

Im with you all the way on that one mate,this country as become the laughing stock of europe,this soft pussy footing government are turning this country into a sespit,the labour party started this shit by opening the doors and allowing these extremists here in the first place.

its our countries actions in iraq and afghan is whats bringing these extremists to our streets! we have f**ked up badly invading their countries! 66,000 civilians dead and you expect them to sit back and do nothing! if my son was killed by a british bullet, id want revenge the same as them! LETS GET OUR TROOPS OUT NOW!

Our lads have killed thousands of civilians have they?

I agree we should never have gone to any of these shithole countries but
you have NO idea just how much our lads hands are tied behind their backs.
It suits you to believe that WE are killing thousands of innocents. Bollocks.

British troops work under a strategy called 'Courageous Restraint'....

Its so bad now that a raghead can have a gun, he can turn towards them...
but unless the British Soldier is convinced the bloke is about to shoot him...
he is not supposed to open fire. Ideally he should let the fucker get the first
round off... that way he can be sure his life is in danger.

Al Q'aida are the ones peddling bullshit about massive civilian murders, but its
Shi'ites killing Sunni's and vice versa. Strange how you'd go on their say so.

Not an IRA supporter are you?

and you come on here suggesting British troops are murdering civilians?

If i didnt know better Taffy i would of thought aherne sounded like a traitor Chief

If i didnt know better Taffy i would of thought aherne sounded like a traitor Chief

Id never use the word traitor. people can believe what they like. But perhaps the
best way to find out if a British soldier or marine is a baby killer is to go up and
ask one.

If i didnt know better Taffy i would of thought aherne sounded like a traitor Chief

i`m no traitor nuclearblue! its just i`m not brainwashed into thinking our soldiers are doing a great job! .... to be honest i come on this site to read about cardiff city but all i seem to read is anti-muslim bullshit posts! ... we shouldnt be out there, its an illegal invasion and we are all paying an heavy price! US AND THEM! ... as for me being IRA taffyapple, its been admitted that we f**ked up out there too! infact the last time our troops did anything worthwhile was beating hitlers nazis! .... anyway im off this site for good cause i cant stick reading all this racist crap anymore! .... BLoooooooooooobirds

If i didnt know better Taffy i would of thought aherne sounded like a traitor Chief

i`m no traitor nuclearblue! its just i`m not brainwashed into thinking our soldiers are doing a great job! .... to be honest i come on this site to read about cardiff city but all i seem to read is anti-muslim bullshit posts! ... we shouldnt be out there, its an illegal invasion and we are all paying an heavy price! US AND THEM! ... as for me being IRA taffyapple, its been admitted that we f**ked up out there too! infact the last time our troops did anything worthwhile was beating hitlers nazis! .... anyway im off this site for good cause i cant stick reading all this racist crap anymore! .... BLoooooooooooobirds

Being British is not being Racist, supporting our troops is not being racist, condemning Muslim extremists is not racist, but you aherne are a disgrace for your comments. How about the Falklands ? the citizens there are British. You are an extremist sympathiser Chief.

The army are no angels, far from it.The army has already used torture and killed innocents and if you believe differently your deluded. Anyone whose served in the army, especially the infantry, will have some stories of brutality. Personally I've seen a guy have his fingers held against a door frame while the door was kicked shut over and over until his fingers were broken. People doused in bleach or just plain beaten up. Whilst I don't want any British troops getting so much as a graze while on ops I try to see things from the muslim side of the fence and they want NATO out and are fighting toward that end. And if the tables were turned and we had an islamic army on our streets, harassing, breaking into my home etc I'd fight to get them out just like the iraqis and Afgans are.One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, just depends on your viewpoint. Human and civil rights are for everybody.

latest wikileaks have revealed that Young British Muslims are growing increasingly anti British,

Some worrying info here


The latest WikiLeaks revelation: 1 in 3 British Muslim students back killing for Islam and 40% want Sharia law

Reaching out to UK Muslim community was 'top priority' for U.S.
Around a third of young British Muslims favour killing in the name of Islam, according to a survey revealed by the WikiLeaks' publication of U.S. diplomatic cables.
A survey of 600 Muslim students at 30 universities throughout Britain found that 32 per cent of Muslim respondents believed killing in the name of religion is justified.
A U.S. diplomatic cable from January 2009 quoted a poll by the Centre for Social Cohesion as saying 54 per cent wanted a Muslim party to represent their world view in Parliament and 40 per cent want Muslims in the UK to be under Sharia law.

Radicalised: A cable released by WikiLeaks revealed a third of Muslim college students favour killing in the name of Islam
The survey results, revealed by WikiLeaks' release of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cables, suggests increasing radicalisation among Britain's young Muslims.
A further U.S. cable, dated February 5 2009, said reaching out to Britain's Muslim community there was a 'top priority' for U.S. embassy staff.

It stated: 'Although people of Muslim faith make up only 3 to 4 per cent of the UK's population, outreach to this key audience is vital to U.S. foreign policy interests in the UK and beyond... This is a top mission priority.'
The February cable outlined a plan encompassing 'engagement and community capacity-building' to counter the possible growth of 'violent extremism' in the UK.
The outreach plan for British Muslims was published a month after a cable that revealed that while the community had grown to more than 2 million, unemployment rates were higher among Muslim men and women than in any other religion.

Not engaged: U.S. diplomatic cables suggested more needs to be done to work with British Muslims against extremism
Muslims were also found to have the highest disability rates - with 24 per cent of men and 21 per cent of women claiming a disability - while the cable also cited statistics claiming Muslims were also the most likely group to be unavailable for work or not actively seeking employment due to illness, their studies or family commitments.
It was revealed last week that a U.S. cable from 2006 had suggested the British Government had made 'little progress' in engaging Muslims and combating homegrown extremism.
And the latest cable revelations of U.S. ambassadorial plan to empower Muslim communities to 'mobilize against extremism' and 'build community resilience' confirms the White House's lack of faith in the British Government's ability to engage with the UK's Islamic population.

If i didnt know better Taffy i would of thought aherne sounded like a traitor Chief

i`m no traitor nuclearblue! its just i`m not brainwashed into thinking our soldiers are doing a great job! .... to be honest i come on this site to read about cardiff city but all i seem to read is anti-muslim bullshit posts! ... we shouldnt be out there, its an illegal invasion and we are all paying an heavy price! US AND THEM! ... as for me being IRA taffyapple, its been admitted that we f**ked up out there too! infact the last time our troops did anything worthwhile was beating hitlers nazis! .... anyway im off this site for good cause i cant stick reading all this racist crap anymore! .... BLoooooooooooobirds

Being British is not being Racist, supporting our troops is not being racist, condemning Muslim extremists is not racist, but you aherne are a disgrace for your comments. How about the Falklands ? the citizens there are British. You are an extremist sympathiser Chief.

we`ve only had trouble on our shores by muslim extremists since we backed the americans "so called war on terror!" .... now we are well and truly f**ked and tbh i cant see how on earth this can be turned around now! ... i reckon for every one life lost [and theres been over 100,000] there will be 10 joining up wanting revenge [and who can f**king blame them]! ... why on earth did we following the yanks into this? .... as for the falklands. well id never even heard of the place until the argentinians tried to reclaim a land that they believe [and still believe] belongs to them! ... its funny but i think they have a point seems that its only on their doorstep!

yes without a shred of doubt.

The army are no angels, far from it.The army has already used torture and killed innocents and if you believe differently your deluded. Anyone whose served in the army, especially the infantry, will have some stories of brutality. Personally I've seen a guy have his fingers held against a door frame while the door was kicked shut over and over until his fingers were broken. People doused in bleach or just plain beaten up. Whilst I don't want any British troops getting so much as a graze while on ops I try to see things from the muslim side of the fence and they want NATO out and are fighting toward that end. And if the tables were turned and we had an islamic army on our streets, harassing, breaking into my home etc I'd fight to get them out just like the iraqis and Afgans are.One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, just depends on your viewpoint. Human and civil rights are for everybody.

Reading that post is very sad Chief. And quite clearly you are a terrorist sympathizer and you would have no qualms about supporting these people. That is shocking. Words for once fail me.

we`ve only had trouble on our shores by muslim extremists since we backed the americans "so called war on terror!" .... now we are well and truly f**ked and tbh i cant see how on earth this can be turned around now! ... i reckon for every one life lost [and theres been over 100,000] there will be 10 joining up wanting revenge [and who can f**king blame them]! ... why on earth did we following the yanks into this? .... as for the falklands. well id never even heard of the place until the argentinians tried to reclaim a land that they believe [and still believe] belongs to them! ... its funny but i think they have a point seems that its only on their doorstep![/quote]
9/11 7/7 Yeah they have a point Chief you are on the wrong site maybe you should be on some website with the words Jihad and extremists in the title. You my boy are a disgrace to the United Kingdom and Wales nuff said

Everyone is entitled their opinion. Even IRA supporters. But dont
do it from the safety of your keyboards, go tell a soldier or marine
that they are baby killers. You can be sure whenever I bump into
a Provo supporter he will be left in no doubt as to how i feel about
the filthy women and children murdering scum!

you're right, everyone's entitled to their opinion. maybe you forget the prime minister saying sorry to the people of derry after the murder of innocent people by members of the parachute regiment. that incident caused more people to join the i.r.a. than any other incident.
peaceful and law abiding muslims have as much right to live here as the offspring of maltese immigrants.
for now i'll leave you with a song by richard thompson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBCiYBMu ... re=related

you're right, everyone's entitled to their opinion. maybe you forget the prime minister saying sorry to the people of derry after the murder of innocent people by members of the parachute regiment. that incident caused more people to join the i.r.a. than any other incident.
peaceful and law abiding muslims have as much right to live here as the offspring of maltese immigrants.
for now i'll leave you with a song by richard thompson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBCiYBMu ... re=related

Dont try twisting stuff. All are welcome if they respect the culture and ways of the
country you decide to live in!

f*cking provos. Funny I couldnt find one filthy Celtic c**t who'd own up to supporting
the baby murdering cunts last season. "I dinnae ken what yer on aboot pal"...

the straight home to the keyboard calling the Welsh cunts

you're right, everyone's entitled to their opinion. maybe you forget the prime minister saying sorry to the people of derry after the murder of innocent people by members of the parachute regiment. that incident caused more people to join the i.r.a. than any other incident.
peaceful and law abiding muslims have as much right to live here as the offspring of maltese immigrants.
for now i'll leave you with a song by richard thompson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBCiYBMu ... re=related

Dont try twisting stuff. All are welcome if they respect the culture and ways of the
country you decide to live in!

f*cking provos. Funny I couldnt find one filthy Celtic c**t who'd own up to supporting
the baby murdering cunts last season. "I dinnae ken what yer on aboot pal"...

the straight home to the keyboard calling the Welsh cunts

chill out ffs! ... we are not all brainwashed into believeing our war mongering government is right!

we`ve only had trouble on our shores by muslim extremists since we backed the americans "so called war on terror!" .... now we are well and truly f**ked and tbh i cant see how on earth this can be turned around now! ... i reckon for every one life lost [and theres been over 100,000] there will be 10 joining up wanting revenge [and who can f**king blame them]! ... why on earth did we following the yanks into this? .... as for the falklands. well id never even heard of the place until the argentinians tried to reclaim a land that they believe [and still believe] belongs to them! ... its funny but i think they have a point seems that its only on their doorstep!

9/11 7/7 Yeah they have a point Chief you are on the wrong site maybe you should be on some website with the words Jihad and extremists in the title. You my boy are a disgrace to the United Kingdom and Wales nuff said[/quote]
9/11 happened because of the americans support of israel and their continued bulling of arab nations [ those yanks love that oil]. as for 7/7, it wouldnt have happened had blair not followed bush into this illegal war! the whole thing is a mess and believe me nuclearblue, i`m a proud welshman like you and all i want is for this terror to stop! ... but while we are still fighting out in the middle east, we have no chance!

Because the USA supported Israel. Doesn't it bother you that every Middle Eastern Country want to destroy Israel. History proved they were very nearly eliminated from the face of the earth. But hell you support the Nations that want to wipe every Jew of the face of the Earth and America is wrong in helping this nation. Palestine with there missiles and suicide bombers but hey they are the oppressed. Sorry Chief your views worry me and you really do belong on Mike Morris's message board any way you said you was leaving our forum but you are still spouting your shit i can see.

Because the USA supported Israel. Doesn't it bother you that every Middle Eastern Country want to destroy Israel. History proved they were very nearly eliminated from the face of the earth. But hell you support the Nations that want to wipe every Jew of the face of the Earth and America is wrong in helping this nation. Palestine with there missiles and suicide bombers but hey they are the oppressed. Sorry Chief your views worry me and you really do belong on Mike Morris's message board any way you said you was leaving our forum but you are still spouting your shit i can see.

i dont start these nonsense f**king threads! why dont people like yourself post on edl and wdl forums instead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_%E2 ... _relations

Because the USA supported Israel. Doesn't it bother you that every Middle Eastern Country want to destroy Israel. History proved they were very nearly eliminated from the face of the earth. But hell you support the Nations that want to wipe every Jew of the face of the Earth and America is wrong in helping this nation. Palestine with there missiles and suicide bombers but hey they are the oppressed. Sorry Chief your views worry me and you really do belong on Mike Morris's message board any way you said you was leaving our forum but you are still spouting your shit i can see.

i dont start these nonsense f**king threads! why dont people like yourself post on edl and wdl forums instead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_%E2 ... _relations

Dont do extremist websites but obviously you belong on those Jihjad websites. I support our soldiers you wish them DEAD ............Muppet

Because the USA supported Israel. Doesn't it bother you that every Middle Eastern Country want to destroy Israel. History proved they were very nearly eliminated from the face of the earth. But hell you support the Nations that want to wipe every Jew of the face of the Earth and America is wrong in helping this nation. Palestine with there missiles and suicide bombers but hey they are the oppressed. Sorry Chief your views worry me and you really do belong on Mike Morris's message board any way you said you was leaving our forum but you are still spouting your shit i can see.

i dont start these nonsense f**king threads! why dont people like yourself post on edl and wdl forums instead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_%E2 ... _relations

Dont do extremist websites but obviously you belong on those Jihjad websites. I support our soldiers you wish them DEAD ............Muppet

i dont wish them dead you idiot! i cant be talking to you anymore cause your brainwashed! carry on reading the sun mate and walking around in british propaganda land!

Good does that mean you are f*cking off ? You carry on reading the Jihad weekly f*cking tw*t

Good does that mean you are f*cking off ? You carry on reading the Jihad weekly f*cking tw*t

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