HUDSON AND NAYLOR!

hes not at the level o f player we want, loovens, johnson

Dream on then. Johnson is a £10m rated centre half and Loovens doesnt want to play for us.

How about some suggestions of players who we can afford and want to come here who are better.

And dont give me all the 'thats Jones' issue' as people are saying Hudson is shit but cant offer a credible alternative, despite the fact they clearly know better than Jones.

It's not picking at other things, at the end of the day we cannot expect our attack to score 3 or 4 games every game to make sure we win. Today our attack had an off day, and when that happens, the defense have to do their job. But the defense continually lets us down.

An off day? We've scored 1 goal in our last 3 home games

You are of course correct, and that's because the opposition know that if they defend and stop us scoring, it's guaranteed our defense are going to slip up. There is no problem with our fire power, we scored 4 at Scunthorpe recently and we will always score goals. When was the last time we kept a clean sheet? Hull at home? That's months ago if that's the case!

But we aren't going to win games if we can't score goals, which we haven't been doing over the last month and a bit

hes not at the level o f player we want, loovens, johnson

Loovens, the massive SPL flop?

How can you blame Hudson for today? Why don't you blame our midfield and strikeforce for not being able too put away any chances today? Over 20 shots on goal, only one went in

This.

Hudson, to be fair to the boy, hasn't done much wrong at all this season if you look at our games with a clear head.

He's not the quickest and does have a poor pass, but that's exactly the same as Roger Johnson and he was worshipped (though funnily enough not all the time he was here).

I've found myself saying "Well done, good tackle/header/block Hudson" more than once a game in most games this season.

Frankly, he's our second best defender. It's not hard mind.

Riggott doesn't exist. That much is fact.

I stopped reading when you compared Hudson to Roger Johnson. Hudson makes some great blocks and tackles but he is to slow for this level and makes to many mistakes. Not good enough for a team going for promotion.

How can you blame Hudson for today? Why don't you blame our midfield and strikeforce for not being able too put away any chances today? Over 20 shots on goal, only one went in

This.

Hudson, to be fair to the boy, hasn't done much wrong at all this season if you look at our games with a clear head.

He's not the quickest and does have a poor pass, but that's exactly the same as Roger Johnson and he was worshipped (though funnily enough not all the time he was here).

I've found myself saying "Well done, good tackle/header/block Hudson" more than once a game in most games this season.

Frankly, he's our second best defender. It's not hard mind.

Riggott doesn't exist. That much is fact.

I stopped reading when you compared Hudson to Roger Johnson. Hudson makes some great blocks and tackles but he is to slow for this level and makes to many mistakes. Not good enough for a team going for promotion.

He's better than Blake and Gyepes though

It's not picking at other things, at the end of the day we cannot expect our attack to score 3 or 4 games every game to make sure we win. Today our attack had an off day, and when that happens, the defense have to do their job. But the defense continually lets us down.

An off day? We've scored 1 goal in our last 3 home games

You are of course correct, and that's because the opposition know that if they defend and stop us scoring, it's guaranteed our defense are going to slip up. There is no problem with our fire power, we scored 4 at Scunthorpe recently and we will always score goals. When was the last time we kept a clean sheet? Hull at home? That's months ago if that's the case!

But we aren't going to win games if we can't score goals, which we haven't been doing over the last month and a bit

Yes but if we fail to score, why can't we grind out a 0-0 draw? Newcastle could last season, QPR are doing it this season and that' why they were/are top of the league. When you have a reliable defense, you only need to pinch a goal, the defense is the key and they're letting us down.

Yes but if we fail to score, why can't we grind out a 0-0 draw? Newcastle could last season, QPR are doing it this season and that' why they were/are top of the league. When you have a reliable defense, you only need to pinch a goal, the defense is the key and they're letting us down.[/quote]


Would have been a clean sheet yesterday if our winger didnt jump up in the air at the free kick.

do you not think that the lack of support and cover from our midfield is a major cause of the no of goals we concede ?

Our last clean sheet was Leeds away.

Overall no width and everyone looking for the long ball. Get Bellamy on the left and tell him to stay wide, spread the game. Tell the keeper and full backs to collect it short and build. make one of the midfielders responsible for coming and taking the ball short off the centre halfs. do this and we'll start making spaces. We played well in patches beleive it or not, but it was all too tight.

I agree. This is where the main problem lies. The team selection does not allow this and hence why we are so crap when Bothroyd goes off as he's the only one that can deal with the long ball.

We don't build from the back as our back 4 have very poor distribution skills -all of them -they do not trust themselves and neither do their team mates to keep possession. Naylor is also very reluctant to bomb forward and overlap as frankly he can't and certainly can't get back if he did and this affects Bellamy as people can double up on him. Until we fix this we won't perform at the level the rest of the team is capable of.

The second big issue is we do not have players trying to drive forward with speed or slotting balls for bellamy/bothroyd/chops to run onto and Burke whilst a good outlet is actually quite poor with his final ball and loses possession far to often if you watch him closely for a whole match.

Until a long term fix can be found in January ( if money available) what I would do is:

Bothroyd (keogh if injured) and chops up front
Bellamy left and I would try matthews wide right (with burke on bench to replaceif he can't hack it)
Mcphail and drinkwater centre midfield (mcphail to pick a pass drinkwater to do the chasing)
Naylor (can't think of a replacement sadly - he wouldn't even make the bench if I could) and kev fullbacks
Hudson and gypes centre backs

Whitts on bench to cover mcphail and oli on bench to cover drinkwater, blake on bench to cover centre halves/fullbacks(kev to swap sides)

Yes but if we fail to score, why can't we grind out a 0-0 draw? Newcastle could last season, QPR are doing it this season and that' why they were/are top of the league. When you have a reliable defense, you only need to pinch a goal, the defense is the key and they're letting us down.

Would have been a clean sheet yesterday if our winger didnt jump up in the air at the free kick.

do you not think that the lack of support and cover from our midfield is a major cause of the no of goals we concede ?

Our last clean sheet was Leeds away.[/quote]

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.

have a look at hudsons positioning in the wall for the free kick that led to the goal enough said

both shit end of

hudson has always been shit. naylor always has to make the final ball as no one from midfield is available.some sympathy

blake unless he is tackling someone forget it!!!! gone backwards

have a look at hudsons positioning in the wall for the free kick that led to the goal enough said

Seem it time and time again. The ball went nowhere near Hudson. It wasnt even hit properly. The ball hit Burke who was out of the edge of the wall -Burke was jumping, God knows why, and it deflected off his feet.


If you've got Sky+ take a look.

Yes but if we fail to score, why can't we grind out a 0-0 draw? Newcastle could last season, QPR are doing it this season and that' why they were/are top of the league. When you have a reliable defense, you only need to pinch a goal, the defense is the key and they're letting us down.

Would have been a clean sheet yesterday if our winger didnt jump up in the air at the free kick.

do you not think that the lack of support and cover from our midfield is a major cause of the no of goals we concede ?

Our last clean sheet was Leeds away.

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.[/quote]


Hudsons fault. Should have held Burke down.

FFS Burke is a pro footballer. Face the ball and block it, its not rocket science. Feckin parks footballers know not to do that.

Yes but if we fail to score, why can't we grind out a 0-0 draw? Newcastle could last season, QPR are doing it this season and that' why they were/are top of the league. When you have a reliable defense, you only need to pinch a goal, the defense is the key and they're letting us down.

Would have been a clean sheet yesterday if our winger didnt jump up in the air at the free kick.

do you not think that the lack of support and cover from our midfield is a major cause of the no of goals we concede ?

Our last clean sheet was Leeds away.

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.

So what if the ball was struck over Burke's head? You would probably then be saying it was Burke's fault for not jumping to block it! In a wall, the first question you ask to one another is are we all jumping, or are we all staying to ground? Burke was the only one to jump so either everyone made a decision to stay to ground and Burke didn't get the message or no decision was made at all. Anyway, the goal would never have happened if the free-kick wasn't given away in the first place!

Hudsons fault. Should have held Burke down.

FFS Burke is a pro footballer. Face the ball and block it, its not rocket science. Feckin parks footballers know not to do that.[/quote]

have a look at hudsons positioning in the wall for the free kick that led to the goal enough said

Seem it time and time again. The ball went nowhere near Hudson. It wasnt even hit properly. The ball hit Burke who was out of the edge of the wall -Burke was jumping, God knows why, and it deflected off his feet.


If you've got Sky+ take a look.

take a look at hudson pussyfooting behind parkin,he should be bossing him in that situation not letting parkin dictate where he wants to stand in the wall

f**k OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two talentless tools !

And shouting that from ten yards away must really spur them on...... not!!!!!

have a look at hudsons positioning in the wall for the free kick that led to the goal enough said

Seem it time and time again. The ball went nowhere near Hudson. It wasnt even hit properly. The ball hit Burke who was out of the edge of the wall -Burke was jumping, God knows why, and it deflected off his feet.


If you've got Sky+ take a look.

take a look at hudson pussyfooting behind parkin,he should be bossing him in that situation not letting parkin dictate where he wants to stand in the wall

Parkin's a big lump. He'll shove anyone around. he's made Purse and Johnson his bitches in the past.

It made no difference to the goal.

Did you notice how many times Hudson took the ball off Parkin ?

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.[/quote]

So what if the ball was struck over Burke's head? You would probably then be saying it was Burke's fault for not jumping to block it! In a wall, the first question you ask to one another is are we all jumping, or are we all staying to ground? Burke was the only one to jump so either everyone made a decision to stay to ground and Burke didn't get the message or no decision was made at all. Anyway, the goal would never have happened if the free-kick wasn't given away in the first place!

Hudsons fault. Should have held Burke down.

FFS Burke is a pro footballer. Face the ball and block it, its not rocket science. Feckin parks footballers know not to do that.[/quote][/quote]

If it was struck over Burke's head it would have gone straight into Marshall's hands.

No matter how you try to spin it you cant pin this one on Hudson.

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.

So what if the ball was struck over Burke's head? You would probably then be saying it was Burke's fault for not jumping to block it! In a wall, the first question you ask to one another is are we all jumping, or are we all staying to ground? Burke was the only one to jump so either everyone made a decision to stay to ground and Burke didn't get the message or no decision was made at all. Anyway, the goal would never have happened if the free-kick wasn't given away in the first place!

Hudsons fault. Should have held Burke down.

FFS Burke is a pro footballer. Face the ball and block it, its not rocket science. Feckin parks footballers know not to do that.[/quote][/quote]

If it was struck over Burke's head it would have gone straight into Marshall's hands.

No matter how you try to spin it you cant pin this one on Hudson.[/quote]

Where exactly have I blamed Hudson? My point is the whole defense, that's Hudson, Naylor, Gyepes, Blake, even McNaughton will continually let us down. It was the defense being sloppy that led to the free-kick and goal, not Burke's fault.

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.

So what if the ball was struck over Burke's head? You would probably then be saying it was Burke's fault for not jumping to block it! In a wall, the first question you ask to one another is are we all jumping, or are we all staying to ground? Burke was the only one to jump so either everyone made a decision to stay to ground and Burke didn't get the message or no decision was made at all. Anyway, the goal would never have happened if the free-kick wasn't given away in the first place!

Hudsons fault. Should have held Burke down.

FFS Burke is a pro footballer. Face the ball and block it, its not rocket science. Feckin parks footballers know not to do that.

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If it was struck over Burke's head it would have gone straight into Marshall's hands.

No matter how you try to spin it you cant pin this one on Hudson.[/quote]

Where exactly have I blamed Hudson? My point is the whole defense, that's Hudson, Naylor, Gyepes, Blake, even McNaughton will continually let us down. It was the defense being sloppy that led to the free-kick and goal, not Burke's fault.[/quote]


The 'let-downs' today were futher up the field.

They scored form a free kick when the ball was given away cheaply in midfield and a defender had to foul to stop it. Thats fine. You could change the whole defense and we'd still concede when the midfield continue to let the opposition waltz through. While we play with 3 of our 4 midfielders ebing attacking players we are going to have to face it that we wont keep many clean sheets, but on the other hand we need to make the attacking quality we have count.
Why arent you giving the grief to Bellmay who missed 4 or 5 relatively straightforward chances, Burke who didnt put one accurate ball in, whittingham and Oli who stood and watched while Preston poured through, Bothroyd for yet again straining his hamstring when it gets cold, or Chopra for putting the weight on which makes Jones leave him out, or McPahil for once again managing not to shoot despite having loads of opportunity and again not to get control of the game ??

As for you not attacking Hudson, then it seemed to me that you were criticising him - as many have in this thread and to be honest I wonder what is going through people's minds as he's done a decent job for us this season. Very few errors, not many penalties and once again today kept the opposition down to very few chances.

Someone around me was saying that Hudson is going to Celtic in January, and Loovens is coming here.

Sorry if it's been mentioned on here already.

Boll**ks!! DJ already stated he'd like Glen but not as a swap for Hudson

I'm happy with that (Glen and Huds together....)

It would have been a clean sheet yesterday if the defense didn't give the free-kick away in the first place. I think it's harsh to blame Burke, yes he jumped and it deflected off him, but that's down to communication. Someone should have told Burke not to jump.

So what if the ball was struck over Burke's head? You would probably then be saying it was Burke's fault for not jumping to block it! In a wall, the first question you ask to one another is are we all jumping, or are we all staying to ground? Burke was the only one to jump so either everyone made a decision to stay to ground and Burke didn't get the message or no decision was made at all. Anyway, the goal would never have happened if the free-kick wasn't given away in the first place!

Hudsons fault. Should have held Burke down.

FFS Burke is a pro footballer. Face the ball and block it, its not rocket science. Feckin parks footballers know not to do that.

If it was struck over Burke's head it would have gone straight into Marshall's hands.

No matter how you try to spin it you cant pin this one on Hudson.[/quote]

Where exactly have I blamed Hudson? My point is the whole defense, that's Hudson, Naylor, Gyepes, Blake, even McNaughton will continually let us down. It was the defense being sloppy that led to the free-kick and goal, not Burke's fault.[/quote]


The 'let-downs' today were futher up the field.

They scored form a free kick when the ball was given away cheaply in midfield and a defender had to foul to stop it. Thats fine. You could change the whole defense and we'd still concede when the midfield continue to let the opposition waltz through. While we play with 3 of our 4 midfielders ebing attacking players we are going to have to face it that we wont keep many clean sheets, but on the other hand we need to make the attacking quality we have count.
Why arent you giving the grief to Bellmay who missed 4 or 5 relatively straightforward chances, Burke who didnt put one accurate ball in, whittingham and Oli who stood and watched while Preston poured through, Bothroyd for yet again straining his hamstring when it gets cold, or Chopra for putting the weight on which makes Jones leave him out, or McPahil for once again managing not to shoot despite having loads of opportunity and again not to get control of the game ??

As for you not attacking Hudson, then it seemed to me that you were criticising him - as many have in this thread and to be honest I wonder what is going through people's minds as he's done a decent job for us this season. Very few errors, not many penalties and once again today kept the opposition down to very few chances.[/quote]

The point i'm making is that our defense will always let us down, whereas out attack had an off day. Whereas our attack will come good again and continue to score goals in the future as they're quality players, our defense aren't quality players, are not good enough to improve and will ALWAYS let us down. Our defense will contiually make wrong decisions and their mistakes will continually cost us! If we had a better defense, we WOULD keep more clean sheets and definitely concede less goals, regardless of what attack minded players we have in midfield. QPR have Taarabt and Busaky in their midfield, two attack minded midfielders that are genuinely lazy and won't defend, yet how many clean sheets have they kept this season?