Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:22 pm
carlccfc wrote:Hello Tracy nice to see you posting on here, I said you would yesterday
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:22 pm
The Ratcatcher wrote:I thought you have and annis was on about how youd quit it or something like that. Sorry if im wrong on that.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:23 pm
TCM wrote:carlccfc wrote:Hello Tracy nice to see you posting on here, I said you would yesterday
Nice to see my post is still here
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:32 pm
TCM wrote:carlccfc wrote:Hello Tracy nice to see you posting on here, I said you would yesterday
Nice to see my post is still here
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:41 pm
carlccfc wrote:The Ratcatcher wrote:I thought you have and annis was on about how youd quit it or something like that. Sorry if im wrong on that.
Never slagged it off but yes I have quit as a member as of 3 weeks ago. But never have I downed the trust or the people working for it.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:44 pm
jamccfc wrote:TCM wrote:carlccfc wrote:Hello Tracy nice to see you posting on here, I said you would yesterday
Nice to see my post is still here
yes i am an angry person.
answer me this,
what is the trust's stance on the train lads situation.
are the trust for it's members only or the fans as a whole.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:45 pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:46 pm
Lawnmower wrote:carlccfc wrote:The Ratcatcher wrote:I thought you have and annis was on about how youd quit it or something like that. Sorry if im wrong on that.
Never slagged it off but yes I have quit as a member as of 3 weeks ago. But never have I downed the trust or the people working for it.
Why is that Carl ?
Not having a dig, I'm genuinely interested.
Surely the best way for the fans to have a voice is 'as one' in a democratic organisation and for those who think they can run it better to stand and encourage their friends to join and back them ?
My biggest wish is that we had one 10 years ago, like the Jacks, when the club was small and the fans could have taken a decent proportion of shares like they did. Maybe, just maybe Sam may have been reigned in a bit.
I STILL see it as the basis for a safety net if we are abandoned by our investors and have to start from scratch, as has happened at Newport. Not to mention the dozens of other clubs.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:48 pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:50 pm
jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:51 pm
TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:53 pm
TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:57 pm
jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:59 pm
jamccfc wrote:TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
i don't have ulterior motives and i take offence at that remark.
i was not asking for your opinions, they don't interest me, i was asking for the trusts stance.
i have no desire to come and look for you on a match day.
you are a trust rep, why can't you just answer on their behalf.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:01 pm
since62 wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Jam.
I have answered on here (several times) explaining that it is impossible for the Trust or anyone else for that matter to put across the accused fans` point of view if we don`t even know who they are and what their current position is in the matter.
I have also asked for them to p.m. me with their details if they don`t want them put on a public messageboard (which I think is sensible) , but have received no response to date. As far as I am aware , it is also the case that no other Trust board member has been contacted by them.
Do you really expect the Trust , the Supporters Club , the club or any other official body to write to Arriva , the transport police , the press etc. without this information?
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:03 pm
since62 wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Jam.
I have answered on here (several times) explaining that it is impossible for the Trust or anyone else for that matter to put across the accused fans` point of view if we don`t even know who they are and what their current position is in the matter.
I have also asked for them to p.m. me with their details if they don`t want them put on a public messageboard (which I think is sensible) , but have received no response to date. As far as I am aware , it is also the case that no other Trust board member has been contacted by them.
Do you really expect the Trust , the Supporters Club , the club or any other official body to write to Arriva , the transport police , the press etc. without this information?
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:04 pm
jamccfc wrote:i don't have ulterior motives and i take offence at that remark.
i was not asking for your opinions, they don't interest me, i was asking for the trusts stance.
i have no desire to come and look for you on a match day.
you are a trust rep, why can't you just answer on their behalf.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:04 pm
since62 wrote:
Jam.
I have answered on here (several times) explaining that it is impossible for the Trust or anyone else for that matter to put across the accused fans` point of view if we don`t even know who they are and what their current position is in the matter.
I have also asked for them to p.m. me with their details if they don`t want them put on a public messageboard (which I think is sensible) , but have received no response to date. As far as I am aware , it is also the case that no other Trust board member has been contacted by them.
Do you really expect the Trust , the Supporters Club , the club or any other official body to write to Arriva , the transport police , the press etc. without this information?
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:05 pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:10 pm
TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:12 pm
ristey1927 wrote:since62 wrote:
Jam.
I have answered on here (several times) explaining that it is impossible for the Trust or anyone else for that matter to put across the accused fans` point of view if we don`t even know who they are and what their current position is in the matter.
I have also asked for them to p.m. me with their details if they don`t want them put on a public messageboard (which I think is sensible) , but have received no response to date. As far as I am aware , it is also the case that no other Trust board member has been contacted by them.
Do you really expect the Trust , the Supporters Club , the club or any other official body to write to Arriva , the transport police , the press etc. without this information?
iv sent u a pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:13 pm
BigGwynram wrote:TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
He'll find that hard because like thousands of us he sits in the family stand and along with so many others they have no access to the Trust area.
Whilst on the subject because this as rattled my cage, I have always thought the Trust represented all the fans at Cardiff not just those that have joined, if that is the case I will have to strongly consider my position as a Trust member, I have never been one for closed shop tactics and I feel that the way the Trust could have advanced it's status and position is by fighting such issues on behalf of all the Cardiff fans, and whilst it does look like these lads have have been pulled over the coals have done nothing worse than be a bit loud (or they would have been charged with a criminal offence) Surely the Trust should have had a crisis management approach and looked at the worse case scenario.
Surely a statement saying something along the lines of " All of us at CCFc are concerned about the accusations and will work together to establish the truth, if there is a case to answer we will fully support the law and the club in what ever action they then take. We will also look at ways to make sure such situations don't occur again and see if we can come up with some solutions.
But in the mean time we should not judge the fans in question until they have been given their chance to put their cases forward.
Would it have been so hard to take that approach.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:16 pm
jamccfc wrote:i am not after a discussion with you. i want the trusts stance.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:17 pm
BigGwynram wrote:TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
He'll find that hard because like thousands of us he sits in the family stand and along with so many others they have no access to the Trust area.
Whilst on the subject because this as rattled my cage, I have always thought the Trust represented all the fans at Cardiff not just those that have joined, if that is the case I will have to strongly consider my position as a Trust member, I have never been one for closed shop tactics and I feel that the way the Trust could have advanced it's status and position is by fighting such issues on behalf of all the Cardiff fans, and whilst it does look like these lads have have been pulled over the coals have done nothing worse than be a bit loud (or they would have been charged with a criminal offence) Surely the Trust should have had a crisis management approach and looked at the worse case scenario.
Surely a statement saying something along the lines of " All of us at CCFc are concerned about the accusations and will work together to establish the truth, if there is a case to answer we will fully support the law and the club in what ever action they then take. We will also look at ways to make sure such situations don't occur again and see if we can come up with some solutions.
But in the mean time we should not judge the fans in question until they have been given their chance to put their cases forward.
Would it have been so hard to take that approach.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:22 pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:24 pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:38 pm
Lawnmower wrote:Ironically I know the Trust have been working with Arriva and the police previously to try to IMPROVE our fans behaviour on trains, which putting this case aside which I think was more the woman's issue than the kids, doesnt always do the reputation of our club much good.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:40 pm
Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:51 pm
BigGwynram wrote:TCM wrote:jamccfc wrote:why not answer on here?
Honestly - because I think you have ulterior motives - but if you genuinely want to hear my opinion then find me on match days and thereafter I am happy for you to quote me.
He'll find that hard because like thousands of us he sits in the family stand and along with so many others they have no access to the Trust area.
Whilst on the subject because this as rattled my cage, I have always thought the Trust represented all the fans at Cardiff not just those that have joined, if that is the case I will have to strongly consider my position as a Trust member, I have never been one for closed shop tactics and I feel that the way the Trust could have advanced it's status and position is by fighting such issues on behalf of all the Cardiff fans, and whilst it does look like these lads have have been pulled over the coals have done nothing worse than be a bit loud (or they would have been charged with a criminal offence) Surely the Trust should have had a crisis management approach and looked at the worse case scenario.
Surely a statement saying something along the lines of " All of us at CCFc are concerned about the accusations and will work together to establish the truth, if there is a case to answer we will fully support the law and the club in what ever action they then take. We will also look at ways to make sure such situations don't occur again and see if we can come up with some solutions.
But in the mean time we should not judge the fans in question until they have been given their chance to put their cases forward.
Would it have been so hard to take that approach.
Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:59 pm