Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:42 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:57 pm
diacap wrote:Give DJ the credit he desrves
Everyone makes mistakes with player signings, and the odd tactical decisions ( Jacks game dented my confidence )- but overall how can anyone complain with the progress we have made .
Bakedalsker - with your 40 years fan experiance you should know better ! You've never had it so good, and neither have most of the rest of us !
Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:05 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:35 pm
thehumblegringo wrote:wasn't it part of the riddlers bull shit mantra that claimed we were the biggest spenders in the division last year. I really dont believe that we paid £4 million for chopra at all!! As for sunderland they did spend far more than us when roy keane got them promoted
Season 06-07:
Kenny Cunningham - Free
Robbie Elliott - Monthly
Clive Clarke - Signed
Tobias Hysen - £1,700,000
Stanislav Varga - Signed
Ross Wallace - Signed
Dwight Yorke - £200,000
Liam Miller - Free
Graham Kavanagh - £500,000
David Connolly - £1,400,000
Marton Fulop - £500,000
Carlos Edwards - £1,400,000
Anthony Stokes - £2,000,000
Stern John - Signed
Greg Halford - £2,500,000
Russell Anderson - £1,000,000
Total: £11,200,000
so say we spent more is bulllshit!
dave jones hasn't spent that in all the time he's been here!
Blackpool, hull and burnley all went up via the play offs which we all know requires an element of luck, as we finished above blackpool in the league and they were lucky to creep into the play offs. There is no way we have had more resources than some of the teams we've competed against in recent seasons as the teams that have come down have spent big usually in the season before and have players on inflated wages. Boro are a prime example this year, and even hull boast players like bullard who is on 50k p/w. so come on lads give dave jones a break, i cant help but think some of the abuse he gets is not cos of his ability as a manager but rather because of personal reasons!
Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:44 pm
thehumblegringo wrote:wasn't it part of the riddlers bull shit mantra that claimed we were the biggest spenders in the division last year. I really dont believe that we paid £4 million for chopra at all!! As for sunderland they did spend far more than us when roy keane got them promoted
Season 06-07:
Kenny Cunningham - Free
Robbie Elliott - Monthly
Clive Clarke - Signed
Tobias Hysen - £1,700,000
Stanislav Varga - Signed
Ross Wallace - Signed
Dwight Yorke - £200,000
Liam Miller - Free
Graham Kavanagh - £500,000
David Connolly - £1,400,000
Marton Fulop - £500,000
Carlos Edwards - £1,400,000
Anthony Stokes - £2,000,000
Stern John - Signed
Greg Halford - £2,500,000
Russell Anderson - £1,000,000
Total: £11,200,000
so say we spent more is bulllshit!
dave jones hasn't spent that in all the time he's been here!
Blackpool, hull and burnley all went up via the play offs which we all know requires an element of luck, as we finished above blackpool in the league and they were lucky to creep into the play offs. There is no way we have had more resources than some of the teams we've competed against in recent seasons as the teams that have come down have spent big usually in the season before and have players on inflated wages. Boro are a prime example this year, and even hull boast players like bullard who is on 50k p/w. so come on lads give dave jones a break, i cant help but think some of the abuse he gets is not cos of his ability as a manager but rather because of personal reasons!
Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:58 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Yeah he has brought in great players like Taiwo, Commingues, Quinn, Etuhu and a few others I could mention if I can remember their names. Yes he got us to a FA cup final after beating high flying teams like Chasetown, Hereford, Wolves, Middlesborough and the might Barnsley. Yep he has got us in our highest position for years, although he has never won us a promotion and has been given more money than most.
The only problem with DJ is that to every good thing people claim he does there seems to be a bad thing to counter act it.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:00 pm
botw2 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Yeah he has brought in great players like Taiwo, Commingues, Quinn, Etuhu and a few others I could mention if I can remember their names. Yes he got us to a FA cup final after beating high flying teams like Chasetown, Hereford, Wolves, Middlesborough and the might Barnsley. Yep he has got us in our highest position for years, although he has never won us a promotion and has been given more money than most.
The only problem with DJ is that to every good thing people claim he does there seems to be a bad thing to counter act it.
Every manager signs shit players even Fergie has signed Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Veron, Blomqvist, Cruyff etc you are just looking at all DJs bad points, DJ and his coaching staff have coached Bothroyd to a level where he is good enough for ENgland after spending only 300K on him, you say he should be promoted with the squad at his disposal but who has assembled this squad? You're happy enough to blame him for signing shit but then seem to think he was given this squad by someone else and give him no cridit for bringing any of these players in
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:02 pm
thehumblegringo wrote:wasn't it part of the riddlers bull shit mantra that claimed we were the biggest spenders in the division last year. I really dont believe that we paid £4 million for chopra at all!! As for sunderland they did spend far more than us when roy keane got them promoted
Season 06-07:
Kenny Cunningham - Free
Robbie Elliott - Monthly
Clive Clarke - Signed
Tobias Hysen - £1,700,000
Stanislav Varga - Signed
Ross Wallace - Signed
Dwight Yorke - £200,000
Liam Miller - Free
Graham Kavanagh - £500,000
David Connolly - £1,400,000
Marton Fulop - £500,000
Carlos Edwards - £1,400,000
Anthony Stokes - £2,000,000
Stern John - Signed
Greg Halford - £2,500,000
Russell Anderson - £1,000,000
Total: £11,200,000
so say we spent more is bulllshit!
dave jones hasn't spent that in all the time he's been here!
Blackpool, hull and burnley all went up via the play offs which we all know requires an element of luck, as we finished above blackpool in the league and they were lucky to creep into the play offs. There is no way we have had more resources than some of the teams we've competed against in recent seasons as the teams that have come down have spent big usually in the season before and have players on inflated wages. Boro are a prime example this year, and even hull boast players like bullard who is on 50k p/w. so come on lads give dave jones a break, i cant help but think some of the abuse he gets is not cos of his ability as a manager but rather because of personal reasons!
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:12 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:29 pm
ccfcdor wrote:botw2 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Yeah he has brought in great players like Taiwo, Commingues, Quinn, Etuhu and a few others I could mention if I can remember their names. Yes he got us to a FA cup final after beating high flying teams like Chasetown, Hereford, Wolves, Middlesborough and the might Barnsley. Yep he has got us in our highest position for years, although he has never won us a promotion and has been given more money than most.
The only problem with DJ is that to every good thing people claim he does there seems to be a bad thing to counter act it.
Every manager signs shit players even Fergie has signed Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Veron, Blomqvist, Cruyff etc you are just looking at all DJs bad points, DJ and his coaching staff have coached Bothroyd to a level where he is good enough for ENgland after spending only 300K on him, you say he should be promoted with the squad at his disposal but who has assembled this squad? You're happy enough to blame him for signing shit but then seem to think he was given this squad by someone else and give him no cridit for bringing any of these players in
another quality post
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:32 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:38 pm
botw2 wrote:thehumblegringo wrote:wasn't it part of the riddlers bull shit mantra that claimed we were the biggest spenders in the division last year. I really dont believe that we paid £4 million for chopra at all!! As for sunderland they did spend far more than us when roy keane got them promoted
Season 06-07:
Kenny Cunningham - Free
Robbie Elliott - Monthly
Clive Clarke - Signed
Tobias Hysen - £1,700,000
Stanislav Varga - Signed
Ross Wallace - Signed
Dwight Yorke - £200,000
Liam Miller - Free
Graham Kavanagh - £500,000
David Connolly - £1,400,000
Marton Fulop - £500,000
Carlos Edwards - £1,400,000
Anthony Stokes - £2,000,000
Stern John - Signed
Greg Halford - £2,500,000
Russell Anderson - £1,000,000
Total: £11,200,000
so say we spent more is bulllshit!
dave jones hasn't spent that in all the time he's been here!
Blackpool, hull and burnley all went up via the play offs which we all know requires an element of luck, as we finished above blackpool in the league and they were lucky to creep into the play offs. There is no way we have had more resources than some of the teams we've competed against in recent seasons as the teams that have come down have spent big usually in the season before and have players on inflated wages. Boro are a prime example this year, and even hull boast players like bullard who is on 50k p/w. so come on lads give dave jones a break, i cant help but think some of the abuse he gets is not cos of his ability as a manager but rather because of personal reasons!
Don't forget Keano still had strong links at man u and celtic so that gave him a massive hand in bringing in decent loan players. DJ is a much better manager than Keane, when Sunderland were promoted Keane wasted their money on shit and look at how he's doing at Ipswich despite spending quite a lot (including £1million+ on lee martin!!!) people also rave about Billy Davies he has spent more than Jones is no where in the league and is still moaning to the board for more money, the thing is he's never gonna get a lot of credit around some people because certain other figures don't like him
Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:50 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Ian, THATS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:03 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:17 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:21 pm
castleblue wrote:I respect what Dave Jones has achieved at our club but I really don't like him and it's the these things which I think would not be missed at our club when he leaves.
Firstly it's his stubborn my way or the highway attitude and that one of the main reasons why he struggles when he needs to change things during a game. His record throughtout his career, and not just at Cardiff, of struggling to win games when his team goes behind is one of the biggest concerns. In fairness the flipside of that is his record when his teams score first is very good but then again thats the same with any decent manager.
But to be a top manager you must have the ability to influence games from the sidelines either by changing tactics or motivating your team. It's difficult for anyone to argue that his plan A doesn't work but does he have a plan B ? and can he transmit that to his team on the pitch.
Another concern for me is his "Do as I say and not as I do" attitude with the perfect example being in the last two weeks where when he was asked about the derby game he said "I don't like derby games I didn't like them as a player and I don't like them as a manager because of all the crap that goes with losing".
When you so clearl struggle to motivate yourself for such games it's little wonder that your team under performs in the game. His answer is then to go say "The local media are fools and buffoons who have no idea not a clue about what their writing about, I never said I didn't like playing in derby games these guy need to keep to the facts".
In my opinion this is a major flaw in his management his serious lack of interpersonal skills as it is vital within his role that he has good communication skills, he hasn't and it should be a huge concern to everyone.
Also in the last 2 weeks he was asked by Rob Phillips if he had talked to Jay about the silly bookings he was getting his reply was "What said in the dressing room remains in the dressing room at this football club". I wonder what Gabor Gypes and Adam Matthews think about that as DJ has laid waste to both of them this season. It happened again yesterday when Chopra gave the ball away cheaply and Scunthorpe went straight upfield and scored. DJ we gave the ball away cheaply in midfield and we must stop doing that. Does this different treatment of players amount to protecting his favourites, no talking about molly coddling players yesterday, I think it does and in man management terms this is a cardinel sin. You must treat everyone firmly, fairly and above all consistently. DJ doesn't and this is a big concern to me and should be to anyone who want's the best for our football club.
But my biggest concern about him is he lack of respect for this part of the world, for the people who live here and earn their living here. For our football club it's history and traditions. DJ has not respect for anything about our football club before he arrived and he constantly has a dig about it whenever he has a chance.
We have a new ground a state of the art training ground and he has been given the biggest budget in the history of our club to put together a squad capable of winning promotion to the PL. But for all the riches he team is still capable of putiing in performances like they did in the derby.
You can pay the biggest salaries in world football, have the best training facilities possible and the greatest stadium in the world but if cannot get yourself motivated for a big game BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THE CRAP THAT GOES WITH LOSING it's a problem.
This should be a time when he should be adored by the Cardiff fans but he isn't, and thats a fact, most all fans if their being honest will have a doubt if we are going to see it through this season. Look at our squad and ask yourself why what are the 3 top reasons that you think we will not make it again this season.
I bet DJ would be in the top 3 of the majority of you who would think about it, yes credit the man for everything he does, everything he has achieved and continues to achieve. But if we fail again he must also expect to be held responsible and I for one will do just that.![]()
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Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:29 pm
castleblue wrote:I respect what Dave Jones has achieved at our club but I really don't like him and it's the these things which I think would not be missed at our club when he leaves.
Firstly it's his stubborn my way or the highway attitude and that one of the main reasons why he struggles when he needs to change things during a game. His record throughtout his career, and not just at Cardiff, of struggling to win games when his team goes behind is one of the biggest concerns. In fairness the flipside of that is his record when his teams score first is very good but then again thats the same with any decent manager.
But to be a top manager you must have the ability to influence games from the sidelines either by changing tactics or motivating your team. It's difficult for anyone to argue that his plan A doesn't work but does he have a plan B ? and can he transmit that to his team on the pitch.
Another concern for me is his "Do as I say and not as I do" attitude with the perfect example being in the last two weeks where when he was asked about the derby game he said "I don't like derby games I didn't like them as a player and I don't like them as a manager because of all the crap that goes with losing".
When you so clearl struggle to motivate yourself for such games it's little wonder that your team under performs in the game. His answer is then to go say "The local media are fools and buffoons who have no idea not a clue about what their writing about, I never said I didn't like playing in derby games these guy need to keep to the facts".
In my opinion this is a major flaw in his management his serious lack of interpersonal skills as it is vital within his role that he has good communication skills, he hasn't and it should be a huge concern to everyone.
Also in the last 2 weeks he was asked by Rob Phillips if he had talked to Jay about the silly bookings he was getting his reply was "What said in the dressing room remains in the dressing room at this football club". I wonder what Gabor Gypes and Adam Matthews think about that as DJ has laid waste to both of them this season. It happened again yesterday when Chopra gave the ball away cheaply and Scunthorpe went straight upfield and scored. DJ we gave the ball away cheaply in midfield and we must stop doing that. Does this different treatment of players amount to protecting his favourites, no talking about molly coddling players yesterday, I think it does and in man management terms this is a cardinel sin. You must treat everyone firmly, fairly and above all consistently. DJ doesn't and this is a big concern to me and should be to anyone who want's the best for our football club.
But my biggest concern about him is he lack of respect for this part of the world, for the people who live here and earn their living here. For our football club it's history and traditions. DJ has not respect for anything about our football club before he arrived and he constantly has a dig about it whenever he has a chance.
We have a new ground a state of the art training ground and he has been given the biggest budget in the history of our club to put together a squad capable of winning promotion to the PL. But for all the riches he team is still capable of putiing in performances like they did in the derby.
You can pay the biggest salaries in world football, have the best training facilities possible and the greatest stadium in the world but if cannot get yourself motivated for a big game BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THE CRAP THAT GOES WITH LOSING it's a problem.
This should be a time when he should be adored by the Cardiff fans but he isn't, and thats a fact, most all fans if their being honest will have a doubt if we are going to see it through this season. Look at our squad and ask yourself why what are the 3 top reasons that you think we will not make it again this season.
I bet DJ would be in the top 3 of the majority of you who would think about it, yes credit the man for everything he does, everything he has achieved and continues to achieve. But if we fail again he must also expect to be held responsible and I for one will do just that.![]()
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Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:32 pm
Forever Blue wrote:castleblue wrote:I respect what Dave Jones has achieved at our club but I really don't like him and it's the these things which I think would not be missed at our club when he leaves.
Firstly it's his stubborn my way or the highway attitude and that one of the main reasons why he struggles when he needs to change things during a game. His record throughtout his career, and not just at Cardiff, of struggling to win games when his team goes behind is one of the biggest concerns. In fairness the flipside of that is his record when his teams score first is very good but then again thats the same with any decent manager.
But to be a top manager you must have the ability to influence games from the sidelines either by changing tactics or motivating your team. It's difficult for anyone to argue that his plan A doesn't work but does he have a plan B ? and can he transmit that to his team on the pitch.
Another concern for me is his "Do as I say and not as I do" attitude with the perfect example being in the last two weeks where when he was asked about the derby game he said "I don't like derby games I didn't like them as a player and I don't like them as a manager because of all the crap that goes with losing".
When you so clearl struggle to motivate yourself for such games it's little wonder that your team under performs in the game. His answer is then to go say "The local media are fools and buffoons who have no idea not a clue about what their writing about, I never said I didn't like playing in derby games these guy need to keep to the facts".
In my opinion this is a major flaw in his management his serious lack of interpersonal skills as it is vital within his role that he has good communication skills, he hasn't and it should be a huge concern to everyone.
Also in the last 2 weeks he was asked by Rob Phillips if he had talked to Jay about the silly bookings he was getting his reply was "What said in the dressing room remains in the dressing room at this football club". I wonder what Gabor Gypes and Adam Matthews think about that as DJ has laid waste to both of them this season. It happened again yesterday when Chopra gave the ball away cheaply and Scunthorpe went straight upfield and scored. DJ we gave the ball away cheaply in midfield and we must stop doing that. Does this different treatment of players amount to protecting his favourites, no talking about molly coddling players yesterday, I think it does and in man management terms this is a cardinel sin. You must treat everyone firmly, fairly and above all consistently. DJ doesn't and this is a big concern to me and should be to anyone who want's the best for our football club.
But my biggest concern about him is he lack of respect for this part of the world, for the people who live here and earn their living here. For our football club it's history and traditions. DJ has not respect for anything about our football club before he arrived and he constantly has a dig about it whenever he has a chance.
We have a new ground a state of the art training ground and he has been given the biggest budget in the history of our club to put together a squad capable of winning promotion to the PL. But for all the riches he team is still capable of putiing in performances like they did in the derby.
You can pay the biggest salaries in world football, have the best training facilities possible and the greatest stadium in the world but if cannot get yourself motivated for a big game BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE THE CRAP THAT GOES WITH LOSING it's a problem.
This should be a time when he should be adored by the Cardiff fans but he isn't, and thats a fact, most all fans if their being honest will have a doubt if we are going to see it through this season. Look at our squad and ask yourself why what are the 3 top reasons that you think we will not make it again this season.
I bet DJ would be in the top 3 of the majority of you who would think about it, yes credit the man for everything he does, everything he has achieved and continues to achieve. But if we fail again he must also expect to be held responsible and I for one will do just that.![]()
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Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:39 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:41 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:44 pm
Forever Blue wrote:If it went down to the last 3 games, Jones head goes and he seems to bottle it, We need to be well in Command a few weeks before the end of the Season.![]()
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If Jay left in January.
If Bells and Chops had a bad injury.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:49 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:1. Tactics. Failing to kill a game off after going into a comfortable lead. Yesterday nearly proved that and lets not forget the Peterborough factor.
2. Plan B. A team who get the better of us from the start and our poor record of counter acting this.
3. Lady luck. We will also get a bit of bad luck as well.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:50 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:58 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Yep.
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:01 pm
dafydd-ccfc85 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Yep.
who do you think would do a better job at this moment for our club!!realisticlly??
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:04 pm
castleblue wrote:dafydd-ccfc85 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Yep.
who do you think would do a better job at this moment for our club!!realisticlly??
Alan Pardew Simples![]()
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Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:05 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:25 pm
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:28 pm
dafydd-ccfc85 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Yep.
who do you think would do a better job at this moment for our club!!realisticlly??
Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:35 pm
castleblue wrote:who do you think would do a better job at this moment for our club!!realisticlly??