“ I have big doubts “

I completely disagree.

Of course he has had a bad start, that's obvious.

But he is not a bad player.

He played many games in the top tier of France last season. At Luton, he was quality and did well in the Premier League.

He is still a good age.

I have no doubt that he will come good but for whatever reason, he has struggled so far.

I know that he's a good player so I'm not going to write him off.

So Ned,

Why has BBM dropped him and yes his mistakes and continued mistakes are costly.

Last night ince again he was awful, surely you saw that last night?

Because like I said, he's had a tough start. Doesn't make him a bad player.

We are way too quick to write off players after a few bad performances.

After Port Vale, people said they didn't want Willock and Chambers to play for us again. But since then they have been great.

And by the way, last night Osho was our highest rated player in terms of performance with 7.0 - he made more clearances than Lawlor and played nearly 40 minutes less.

We conceded one with Osho on the pitch and four with him off the pitch. In the games he's started,

Lawlor was beaten far too easily physically for the first goal but nobody seems to be mentioning that.

Well what I have seen in his 6 games is he is liability


And BBM is not picking him

And everyone I Spk to say the same except you

BBM you have to now and again except makes mistakes in recruitment

I've just said why the manager isn't picking him - he's had a tough start but it doesn't make him a bad player.

A mistake by signing a player who was in the top tier of France last season and the Premier League two seasons ago? I disagree.

He did play well last night, stats show that. Lawlor was more at fault for the goal than him.

But because people have mind their minds up about him so are just going to say he's rubbish every time - even though that is complete nonsense.

He is awful. He might have been a good player in the past but for now he is awful.

Nope.

Played better than Lawlor last night.

Your post is the perfect example of people writing off players way too early, as I was saying.

He was giving Lawlor terrible passes

I am writing off from what I have seen in 6 games

Exactly, that's six games. It's nothing.

He completed 88% of his passes so it can't have been that bad. And the passes he didn't complete were either long passes or in the final third, so not to Lawlor.

Lawlor was on the pitch for five conceded goals and Osho was on for just one conceded goal. Maybe it's possible that it's Lawlor who didn't play well.

I completely disagree.

Of course he has had a bad start, that's obvious.

But he is not a bad player.

He played many games in the top tier of France last season. At Luton, he was quality and did well in the Premier League.

He is still a good age.

I have no doubt that he will come good but for whatever reason, he has struggled so far.

I know that he's a good player so I'm not going to write him off.

So Ned,

Why has BBM dropped him and yes his mistakes and continued mistakes are costly.

Last night ince again he was awful, surely you saw that last night?

Because like I said, he's had a tough start. Doesn't make him a bad player.

We are way too quick to write off players after a few bad performances.

After Port Vale, people said they didn't want Willock and Chambers to play for us again. But since then they have been great.

And by the way, last night Osho was our highest rated player in terms of performance with 7.0 - he made more clearances than Lawlor and played nearly 40 minutes less.

We conceded one with Osho on the pitch and four with him off the pitch. In the games he's started,

Lawlor was beaten far too easily physically for the first goal but nobody seems to be mentioning that.

Well what I have seen in his 6 games is he is liability


And BBM is not picking him

And everyone I Spk to say the same except you

BBM you have to now and again except makes mistakes in recruitment

I've just said why the manager isn't picking him - he's had a tough start but it doesn't make him a bad player.

A mistake by signing a player who was in the top tier of France last season and the Premier League two seasons ago? I disagree.

He did play well last night, stats show that. Lawlor was more at fault for the goal than him.

But because people have mind their minds up about him so are just going to say he's rubbish every time - even though that is complete nonsense.

He is awful. He might have been a good player in the past but for now he is awful.

Nope.

Played better than Lawlor last night.

Your post is the perfect example of people writing off players way too early, as I was saying.

He was giving Lawlor terrible passes

I am writing off from what I have seen in 6 games

Exactly, that's six games. It's nothing.

He completed 88% of his passes so it can't have been that bad. And the passes he didn't complete were either long passes or in the final third, so not to Lawlor.

Lawlor was on the pitch for five conceded goals and Osho was on for just one conceded goal. Maybe it's possible that it's Lawlor who didn't play well.

If he was that good why was he replaced instead of Lawlor then?

I completely disagree.

Of course he has had a bad start, that's obvious.

But he is not a bad player.

He played many games in the top tier of France last season. At Luton, he was quality and did well in the Premier League.

He is still a good age.

I have no doubt that he will come good but for whatever reason, he has struggled so far.

I know that he's a good player so I'm not going to write him off.

So Ned,

Why has BBM dropped him and yes his mistakes and continued mistakes are costly.

Last night ince again he was awful, surely you saw that last night?

Because like I said, he's had a tough start. Doesn't make him a bad player.

We are way too quick to write off players after a few bad performances.

After Port Vale, people said they didn't want Willock and Chambers to play for us again. But since then they have been great.

And by the way, last night Osho was our highest rated player in terms of performance with 7.0 - he made more clearances than Lawlor and played nearly 40 minutes less.

We conceded one with Osho on the pitch and four with him off the pitch. In the games he's started,

Lawlor was beaten far too easily physically for the first goal but nobody seems to be mentioning that.

Well what I have seen in his 6 games is he is liability


And BBM is not picking him

And everyone I Spk to say the same except you

BBM you have to now and again except makes mistakes in recruitment

I've just said why the manager isn't picking him - he's had a tough start but it doesn't make him a bad player.

A mistake by signing a player who was in the top tier of France last season and the Premier League two seasons ago? I disagree.

He did play well last night, stats show that. Lawlor was more at fault for the goal than him.

But because people have mind their minds up about him so are just going to say he's rubbish every time - even though that is complete nonsense.

He is awful. He might have been a good player in the past but for now he is awful.

Nope.

Played better than Lawlor last night.

Your post is the perfect example of people writing off players way too early, as I was saying.

He was giving Lawlor terrible passes

I am writing off from what I have seen in 6 games

Exactly, that's six games. It's nothing.

He completed 88% of his passes so it can't have been that bad. And the passes he didn't complete were either long passes or in the final third, so not to Lawlor.

Lawlor was on the pitch for five conceded goals and Osho was on for just one conceded goal. Maybe it's possible that it's Lawlor who didn't play well.

If he was that good why was he replaced instead of Lawlor then?

Because he picked up a knock

I agree with everyone. So far he has not been a shining example of a defender from what we've seen but 6 games isn't enough to say he's crap. Has the ability but doesn't apply himself would be my assessment, a little like my report cards back in the day .

Oh yeah forgot about that. That would be a good excuse to bring him off without questioning. Even so he did not impress last night.

I completely disagree.

Of course he has had a bad start, that's obvious.

But he is not a bad player.

He played many games in the top tier of France last season. At Luton, he was quality and did well in the Premier League.

He is still a good age.

I have no doubt that he will come good but for whatever reason, he has struggled so far.

I know that he's a good player so I'm not going to write him off.

So Ned,

Why has BBM dropped him and yes his mistakes and continued mistakes are costly.

Last night ince again he was awful, surely you saw that last night?

Because like I said, he's had a tough start. Doesn't make him a bad player.

We are way too quick to write off players after a few bad performances.

After Port Vale, people said they didn't want Willock and Chambers to play for us again. But since then they have been great.

And by the way, last night Osho was our highest rated player in terms of performance with 7.0 - he made more clearances than Lawlor and played nearly 40 minutes less.

We conceded one with Osho on the pitch and four with him off the pitch. In the games he's started,

Lawlor was beaten far too easily physically for the first goal but nobody seems to be mentioning that.

Well what I have seen in his 6 games is he is liability


And BBM is not picking him

And everyone I Spk to say the same except you

BBM you have to now and again except makes mistakes in recruitment

I've just said why the manager isn't picking him - he's had a tough start but it doesn't make him a bad player.

A mistake by signing a player who was in the top tier of France last season and the Premier League two seasons ago? I disagree.

He did play well last night, stats show that. Lawlor was more at fault for the goal than him.

But because people have mind their minds up about him so are just going to say he's rubbish every time - even though that is complete nonsense.

He is awful. He might have been a good player in the past but for now he is awful.

Nope.

Played better than Lawlor last night.

Your post is the perfect example of people writing off players way too early, as I was saying.

He was giving Lawlor terrible passes

I am writing off from what I have seen in 6 games

Exactly, that's six games. It's nothing.

He completed 88% of his passes so it can't have been that bad. And the passes he didn't complete were either long passes or in the final third, so not to Lawlor.

Lawlor was on the pitch for five conceded goals and Osho was on for just one conceded goal. Maybe it's possible that it's Lawlor who didn't play well.

Is that 88% completed passes to opposing strikers as assists ?

I completely disagree.

Of course he has had a bad start, that's obvious.

But he is not a bad player.

He played many games in the top tier of France last season. At Luton, he was quality and did well in the Premier League.

He is still a good age.

I have no doubt that he will come good but for whatever reason, he has struggled so far.

I know that he's a good player so I'm not going to write him off.

So Ned,

Why has BBM dropped him and yes his mistakes and continued mistakes are costly.

Last night ince again he was awful, surely you saw that last night?

Because like I said, he's had a tough start. Doesn't make him a bad player.

We are way too quick to write off players after a few bad performances.

After Port Vale, people said they didn't want Willock and Chambers to play for us again. But since then they have been great.

And by the way, last night Osho was our highest rated player in terms of performance with 7.0 - he made more clearances than Lawlor and played nearly 40 minutes less.

We conceded one with Osho on the pitch and four with him off the pitch. In the games he's started,

Lawlor was beaten far too easily physically for the first goal but nobody seems to be mentioning that.

Well what I have seen in his 6 games is he is liability


And BBM is not picking him

And everyone I Spk to say the same except you

BBM you have to now and again except makes mistakes in recruitment

I've just said why the manager isn't picking him - he's had a tough start but it doesn't make him a bad player.

A mistake by signing a player who was in the top tier of France last season and the Premier League two seasons ago? I disagree.

He did play well last night, stats show that. Lawlor was more at fault for the goal than him.

But because people have mind their minds up about him so are just going to say he's rubbish every time - even though that is complete nonsense.

He is awful. He might have been a good player in the past but for now he is awful.

Nope.

Played better than Lawlor last night.

Your post is the perfect example of people writing off players way too early, as I was saying.

He was giving Lawlor terrible passes

I am writing off from what I have seen in 6 games

Exactly, that's six games. It's nothing.

He completed 88% of his passes so it can't have been that bad. And the passes he didn't complete were either long passes or in the final third, so not to Lawlor.

Lawlor was on the pitch for five conceded goals and Osho was on for just one conceded goal. Maybe it's possible that it's Lawlor who didn't play well.

Is that 88% completed passes to opposing strikers as assists ?

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

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Weren’t we happy when he signed?

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

He hasn't been good since he joined and has taken some deserved stick, but I swear sometimes I watch a different game of football to a lot of our fans as last night I thought he was fine we definitely looked a lot worse without him second half

And during the first half on 3 or 4 occasions he drove out of defence in to midfield but there was absolutely no movement ahead of him

I think people have made there minds up already and fail to judge each performance objectively as they've already decided he's useless

Either that or we have a lot of fans who don't know an awful lot about football which I guess is also possible

My view on osho is he has been poor since he joined and has failed to live up to expectations but last night was far from his worse performance and he was one of the better of a bad bunch on the night

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.

He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

Alright, saying he played well is going a bit too far I'll admit.

But he wasn't dreadful and certainly not deserving of the criticism he's getting.

Haven't seen any threads about Lawlor's poor performance and the fact he was on the pitch for five conceded goals.

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

Alright, saying he played well is going a bit too far I'll admit.

But he wasn't dreadful and certainly not deserving of the criticism he's getting.

Haven't seen any threads about Lawlor's poor performance and the fact he was on the pitch for five conceded goals.

Ned you need to take time out.

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

Alright, saying he played well is going a bit too far I'll admit.

But he wasn't dreadful and certainly not deserving of the criticism he's getting.

Haven't seen any threads about Lawlor's poor performance and the fact he was on the pitch for five conceded goals.

Ned you need to take time out.

Don't tell me what I need to do.

If people are overreacting, as they did after a few bad results, then I'll call it out.

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

Alright, saying he played well is going a bit too far I'll admit.

But he wasn't dreadful and certainly not deserving of the criticism he's getting.

Haven't seen any threads about Lawlor's poor performance and the fact he was on the pitch for five conceded goals.

Ned you need to take time out.

Don't tell me what I need to do.

If people are overreacting, as they did after a few bad results, then I'll call it out.

Go to bed Ned

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

Alright, saying he played well is going a bit too far I'll admit.

But he wasn't dreadful and certainly not deserving of the criticism he's getting.

Haven't seen any threads about Lawlor's poor performance and the fact he was on the pitch for five conceded goals.

Ned you need to take time out.

Don't tell me what I need to do.

If people are overreacting, as they did after a few bad results, then I'll call it out.

Go to bed Ned

It's true what I'm saying though. Some obviously don't like that.

Obviously not the 'quality' player that BBM thought he was bringing to our club.
Disappointing, to say the least!

Agree - Not " Quality Over Quantity " - As we were told ...

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You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

With you all the way Mark

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OSHO ALWAYS LAUGHING

Nothing to laugh at or smile at in my opinion

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That's a haunting pic for a lot of city fans, but for some perhaps he just happy to be at cardiff.

That's a haunting pic for a lot of city fans, but for some perhaps he just happy to be at cardiff.

It is Monty, he could of gone to Non league Rochdale

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You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.
He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

I think you’re over-praising Osho when you say he “played well” last night. Yes, Lawlor was at fault for the initial challenge on the goalscorer, but Osho didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either. He’s just stood there as the lad runs into the box and makes no real effort to close him down. Pretty sure that if it were Fish or NG in the same position, they’d have at least put a challenge in.

Alright, saying he played well is going a bit too far I'll admit.

But he wasn't dreadful and certainly not deserving of the criticism he's getting.

Haven't seen any threads about Lawlor's poor performance and the fact he was on the pitch for five conceded goals.

Lawlor was playing in a novice youth team and had a first half partner who has been dropped after gifting the ball to opposing strikers regurlary in his first six games. Sometimes when you play football in a weakened team you realise you are up against it and know you can't do it all. Yes he did have a rare bad game, but he's earned the right for people to cut him some slack. Personally I think he should have been rested and not there at all.

You know for a fact it means successful passes to teammates.

Oh and I'll point out he made no errors leading to a goal and no errors leading to a shot.

But that doesn't fit the agenda clearly.

He's got more assists against us than most of our players have for us

He's a liability, wrong club at the wrong time. I would try and sell him to Luton in January and start again.

Ridiculous to suggest selling a player who has ability (which he does despite some narrow minded replies to this topic) after just six games.

He will come good and played well last night, better than Lawlor, despite this rhetoric.

While Osho has been given a few chances, his performances have consistently fallen short. The core issue is that he lacks the necessary composure and ball playing ability required for our defensive system. He often struggles to play out from the back cleanly, frequently resulting in misplaced passes and putting the team under unnecessary pressure. He might be suitable for a team that relies on a more direct style of play, but I believe we should actively look to move him on and secure a defender with the ideal technical profile.

Why isn't Sven calling this thread out, seems there is already a thread on it?

He was moaning yesterday that a thread on Osho was made because we had a match day thread, which is a completely different topic.

This thread is exactly the same topic as the other osho one, yet Sven says nothing about it because it was made by someone he likes?

Sort it out Mods, you’re ruining this forum.

Ah, the infantile one returns to perpetuate his ongoing ‘beef’ with me and other ‘mods’!

Three things here…

Firstly, as I pointed out yesterday, seemingly unlike you, I have a (very good) life away from this Forum, so it’s not ‘guaranteed’ I will see/read your diatribe within the timescales of your apparent attention span!

Secondly, I didn’t (quote you) ‘moan’, I simply said respectfully, that there was a matchday thread running and the comment could (not should) have been made on there; where, despite your attempt to say otherwise, it probably would have had more views!

Thirdly, with regard to this particular thread, it was put up at 10:54am on Wednesday; the day after the match itself, so was more reflective than reactive!

You keep bringing up the word ‘moderator’ as if you’ve been poorly ‘moderated’. I’ve checked, and I see no evidence of that, from myself or my fellow admins/moderators, so it appears that like certain others, it’s just a lazy tool you feel you can use to ‘throw in’ to any perceived ‘beef’ you have with posts you don’t like but are then unable to articulate a reasoned response!

I appreciate you may be trying to ‘curry favour’ with certain others, but at least try to keep it real please, fella!