O/T Charlie Kirk killed in America

Going to be as civil as I can but when a guy who — amongst other disgusting things — believed that shootings were worth it so that he could have a gun gets shot I’m hardly going to cry over it.

I doubt that when he said shootings were worth it he meant at people like him and his friends surrounded by armed entourages or their children in expensive private schools, no, he meant those from more disadvantaged backgrounds or those — like the majority of us on here — children who went to state-run schools.

Feel sorry for his two children but beyond that I’m not shedding any tears.

Apparently he was in a heated debate over mass shootings at time he was shot.. so a bit of what you say seems to be behind things.. he wasn't randomly shot for being there.....looking from outside America seems to be a mess with free speech being stamped on....

I agreed with a lot he said, not everything, but a lot. A difference of opinion shouldn’t make you a target. Worlds gone mental. I think this will spark something bigger in the US and it’s not going to be pretty.

Far left going around calling anyone who does not agree with them nazis ,
this is what you get some lonny lefter not liking anything right wing.

Agree

Going to be as civil as I can but when a guy who — amongst other disgusting things — believed that shootings were worth it so that he could have a gun gets shot I’m hardly going to cry over it.

I doubt that when he said shootings were worth it he meant at people like him and his friends surrounded by armed entourages or their children in expensive private schools, no, he meant those from more disadvantaged backgrounds or those — like the majority of us on here — children who went to state-run schools.

Feel sorry for his two children but beyond that I’m not shedding any tears.

Apparently he was in a heated debate over mass shootings at time he was shot.. so a bit of what you say seems to be behind things.. he wasn't randomly shot for being there.....looking from outside America seems to be a mess with free speech being stamped on....

It’s the reason why he was shot that’s got most people getting angry. The fact that you can’t have a civil debate and have different opinions without some lunatic wanting you to die for it.

I’m on the left and always have been but no one deserves to die for voicing their opinion, and in this case openly debating it.

This world is more divided than ever and I can’t wait for the day people realise there is a middle ground. I agree with some of the things Charlie Kirk said but found some abhorrent. That’s okay.

Far right and far left are both groups that need stamping out. Extremism in any form shouldn’t be tolerated.

I’m on the left and always have been but no one deserves to die for voicing their opinion, and in this case openly debating it.

This world is more divided than ever and I can’t wait for the day people realise there is a middle ground. I agree with some of the things Charlie Kirk said but found some abhorrent. That’s okay.

Far right and far left are both groups that need stamping out. Extremism in any form shouldn’t be tolerated.

I’m more right but not “far” right but totally agree. Once we start debating you will find common ground on some things. People too quick to be offended.

I’m on the left and always have been but no one deserves to die for voicing their opinion, and in this case openly debating it.

This world is more divided than ever and I can’t wait for the day people realise there is a middle ground. I agree with some of the things Charlie Kirk said but found some abhorrent. That’s okay.

Far right and far left are both groups that need stamping out. Extremism in any form shouldn’t be tolerated.

I’m more right but not “far” right but totally agree. Once we start debating you will find common ground on some things. People too quick to be offended.

Agree mate. We lose the art of debate and the world is more fucked than we already are.

I’m on the left and always have been but no one deserves to die for voicing their opinion, and in this case openly debating it.

This world is more divided than ever and I can’t wait for the day people realise there is a middle ground. I agree with some of the things Charlie Kirk said but found some abhorrent. That’s okay.

Far right and far left are both groups that need stamping out. Extremism in any form shouldn’t be tolerated.

I’m more right but not “far” right but totally agree. Once we start debating you will find common ground on some things. People too quick to be offended.

Agree mate. We lose the art of debate and the world is more fucked than we already are.

You had john mc donald corbens buddy calling reform nazis only last week,
which i find insulting, as i am reform, my mates a copper retired and he also is reform ,
got no time for tories but neither for human rights lawyer keir starmer and his 6 formers and 25 years of labour in wales should put everybody off labour.

I’m on the left and always have been but no one deserves to die for voicing their opinion, and in this case openly debating it.

This world is more divided than ever and I can’t wait for the day people realise there is a middle ground. I agree with some of the things Charlie Kirk said but found some abhorrent. That’s okay.

Far right and far left are both groups that need stamping out. Extremism in any form shouldn’t be tolerated.

Being “on the left” wouldn’t mean you don’t think anyway. Most sane people here view being on the left as more socially minded. It should be to do with more or less state. Higher or lower taxation. Wanting to end up with broadly similar outcomes (happy healthy population) with differing views on how to get there.

There has been a perversion of what is left and right.

Some I’ve seen online seem to be justifying his execution (because that’s what it was) because of his views on gun control. He was not advocating being slaughtered on a live stream in front of thousands of people by cowards hiding hundreds of meters away in front of his young children. Seeing the video footage of him with his kids is heartbreaking knowing they will never be able to hold their father again.

I don’t care what his views are. He did not deserve to be executed for them.

If we take the broad “their” Which views deserve to be killed over these days? Can we agree with 95% of someone’s views but the last 5 mean we need to pop them off this mortal coil? They are utterly insane and deranged.

I am 100% with you. Extremism in all its forms needs to be stamped out. No one anywhere should be executed for a different opinion regardless of how they voice it.

I’m on the left and always have been but no one deserves to die for voicing their opinion, and in this case openly debating it.

This world is more divided than ever and I can’t wait for the day people realise there is a middle ground. I agree with some of the things Charlie Kirk said but found some abhorrent. That’s okay.

Far right and far left are both groups that need stamping out. Extremism in any form shouldn’t be tolerated.

I’m more right but not “far” right but totally agree. Once we start debating you will find common ground on some things. People too quick to be offended.

The bitter irony is that to a large extent that’s what he was doing.
We all agree on more things that we realise. Too many have been brainwashed in to hysterical frenzies.

I don't get all this right a left make up words nonsense.

If a man can't say to a bloke dressed in a pink wig with a mustache better than a veteran Mexican boarder guard who claims to be a transgender woman from another planet that he is actual a man, only for these mixed up odd ball types to take offence then the worlds gone barking mad. There was a padded cell for such folks years ago. Scratch my head at some of today's weird shit going on from the brainwashed

The bloke got killed over such things. Absolutely Mad really.

Going to be as civil as I can but when a guy who — amongst other disgusting things — believed that shootings were worth it so that he could have a gun gets shot I’m hardly going to cry over it.

I doubt that when he said shootings were worth it he meant at people like him and his friends surrounded by armed entourages or their children in expensive private schools, no, he meant those from more disadvantaged backgrounds or those — like the majority of us on here — children who went to state-run schools.

Feel sorry for his two children but beyond that I’m not shedding any tears.

The discussion where that conversation came from in full context below.

Just putting it here so people can make there own mind up on that statement with full insight. Far too easy these days to make a judgement on a reductive snapshot of a more complex statement. Not adding commentary on the statement in any direction, but I think its important people take understand the context of the full response rather than the headline.


AUDIENCE QUESTION: How's it going, Charlie? I'm Austin. I just had a question related to Second Amendment rights. We saw the shooting that happened recently and a lot of people are upset. But, I'm seeing people argue for the other side that they want to take our Second Amendment rights away. How do we convince them that it's important to have the right to defend ourselves and all that good stuff?

CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?

He made some ridiculous statements there but nothing worth shooting someone over, not much is though. But somehow some of the news channels are more upset at this than someone shooting up a school full of children.

Thoughts & prayers as they say.

Whilst I did not agree 100% with his views, beliefs etc.
I respected the shit out of him for being a self educated person who articulated his argument very well.
He had more to say and like him or not, he was silenced far too early.

It's the epitome of irony that he was shot on a campus whilst debating shootings on campuses in the U.S.

The most sickening is the sick f.cks celebrating his death, at a very big push celebrating someone like putin been poppwd of his perch maybe,
but a bloke who was prepared to discuss and thrash it out vebally and come to some sort of an understanding between 2 opposite views should be welcomed not killed for it.

It just show's the lack of belief in their arguement that they have to resort to violence over a debate.

This is going to do more harm than good to their cause.

Going to be as civil as I can but when a guy who — amongst other disgusting things — believed that shootings were worth it so that he could have a gun gets shot I’m hardly going to cry over it.

I doubt that when he said shootings were worth it he meant at people like him and his friends surrounded by armed entourages or their children in expensive private schools, no, he meant those from more disadvantaged backgrounds or those — like the majority of us on here — children who went to state-run schools.

Feel sorry for his two children but beyond that I’m not shedding any tears.

The discussion where that conversation came from in full context below.

Just putting it here so people can make there own mind up on that statement with full insight. Far too easy these days to make a judgement on a reductive snapshot of a more complex statement. Not adding commentary on the statement in any direction, but I think its important people take understand the context of the full response rather than the headline.


AUDIENCE QUESTION: How's it going, Charlie? I'm Austin. I just had a question related to Second Amendment rights. We saw the shooting that happened recently and a lot of people are upset. But, I'm seeing people argue for the other side that they want to take our Second Amendment rights away. How do we convince them that it's important to have the right to defend ourselves and all that good stuff?

CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?

Great post I've seen this quoted out of context so many times over the last couple of days. While I disagree with his take on guns, it's a fair and reasonable argument. Certainly not worth being murdered over. I'd also like to say the whole but other people have died we should talk about that thing that people are doing is slimy, if you don't like him learn when to keep your mouth closed

Trump has said the suspect is now in custody. He said somebody very close to the suspect turned him in.

NBC say the suspect is named Tyler Robinson, born in April 2003 so he's 22.

I agreed with a lot he said, not everything, but a lot. A difference of opinion shouldn’t make you a target. Worlds gone mental. I think this will spark something bigger in the US and it’s not going to be pretty.

Far left going around calling anyone who does not agree with them nazis ,
this is what you get some lonny lefter not liking anything right wing.

Agree

What about that far right nazi that murdered jo Cox?

Tyler Robinson is an unaffiliated voter.

He has two relatives that are registered to the Republican Party.

THEY as in the lefties ......resort to violence?

Well clearly some of them do

But only a few years ago a left wing labour MP in Britain , Jo Cox was murdered by a far right nutcase

So these sort of things are not dominated by lefties or commies.....which is just as insulting a name as calling someone who is right wing a nazi

The vast majority of political murders in the USA over the last 50 years have been carried out by far right republican sympathisers

All this typical lefty stuff is absolute bollocks

Shooter arrested

Trump has said the suspect is now in custody. He said somebody very close to the suspect turned him in.

NBC say the suspect is named Tyler Robinson, born in April 2003 so he's 22.

All this has now been confirmed by the Utah Governer and FBI at a press conference.

Just shows how weak minded they are that they have to resort to violence because they cannot win a debate against him.

Pathetic, I hope they get what they deserve.

Hes a particularly nasty piece of work , his views on race are backwards and there is clips of him on you tube losing his temper and moving towards people in a threatening way who challenged him

Not the great open minded person at all

I liked him and i'm not bothered who did or didn't like him on here.

That's the great thing, everyone can have different opinions... shooting a man because of a different view, just shows how weak that person is.

I also enjoyed a lot of his stuff, sadly whereas in the past you could hate the opinion, without hating the person. That’s gone.

THEY as in the lefties ......resort to violence?

Well clearly some of them do

But only a few years ago a left wing labour MP in Britain , Jo Cox was murdered by a far right nutcase

So these sort of things are not dominated by lefties or commies.....which is just as insulting a name as calling someone who is right wing a nazi

The vast majority of political murders in the USA over the last 50 years have been carried out by far right republican sympathisers

All this typical lefty stuff is absolute bollocks

Leftwing right wing is a false dichotomy but we’re in the era of simple politics for simpletons. It’s either wonderful caring left, or Nazi scum. There’s no nuance. What’s your source for political murders in the USA?

THEY as in the lefties ......resort to violence?

Well clearly some of them do

But only a few years ago a left wing labour MP in Britain , Jo Cox was murdered by a far right nutcase

So these sort of things are not dominated by lefties or commies.....which is just as insulting a name as calling someone who is right wing a nazi

The vast majority of political murders in the USA over the last 50 years have been carried out by far right republican sympathisers

All this typical lefty stuff is absolute bollocks

Leftwing right wing is a false dichotomy but we’re in the era of simple politics for simpletons. It’s either wonderful caring left, or Nazi scum. There’s no nuance. What’s your source for political murders in the USA?

THEY as in the lefties ......resort to violence?

Well clearly some of them do

But only a few years ago a left wing labour MP in Britain , Jo Cox was murdered by a far right nutcase

So these sort of things are not dominated by lefties or commies.....which is just as insulting a name as calling someone who is right wing a nazi

The vast majority of political murders in the USA over the last 50 years have been carried out by far right republican sympathisers

All this typical lefty stuff is absolute bollocks

Leftwing right wing is a false dichotomy but we’re in the era of simple politics for simpletons. It’s either wonderful caring left, or Nazi scum. There’s no nuance. What’s your source for political murders in the USA?

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/11/nx-s1-55 ... in-the-u-s

Overwhelming right wing murder of left leaning politicians and attacks on democratic buildings

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

This concludes right wing supporters and ideologies more likely to use violence than the lefties

There's so much hate in the world these days.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

This concludes right wing supporters and ideologies more likely to use violence than the lefties

You've said he's vile, a racist, blah blah blah none of which you would be able to back up by the way. He's was generally respectful when debating people his views where pretty ordinary, one of the bullets had "hey fascist catch" written on it. Don't you think people like you slandering the guy created this environment. Ohh and by the way when Jo Cox was murdered everyone said the guys a nazi piece of shit, there was none of this he got what was coming to him rhetoric. The people you disagree with aren't evil