O/T Migrants

We have more in common with immigrants than we do with our leaders.
Rich maintain their status by many ventures, one of them being, getting poor people to fight with one another rather than identifying who they should actually be fighting.

Its like the red ant and black ant theory.
Put 100 of each in a jar and nothing will happen, but if you shake the jar, they will fight to the death! The red will think the black are the enemy and the black will think the red are the enemy. when in truth the person who has shaken the jar is their enemy.

We have more in common with immigrants than we do with our leaders.
Rich maintain their status by many ventures, one of them being, getting poor people to fight with one another rather than identifying who they should actually be fighting.

Its like the red ant and black ant theory.
Put 100 of each in a jar and nothing will happen, but if you shake the jar, they will fight to the death! The red will think the black are the enemy and the black will think the red are the enemy. when in truth the person who has shaken the jar is their enemy.

Some truth in that, divide and rule.
Heard it described as beach balls at a pop concert, we’re all concentrating on the balls and not seeing what’s happening on the stage.

I’d take 99% of legal migrants over some of the dross we have living in this country, and over 100% of our rich overlords.

Migration helped make this country. It’s illegal immigration that needs to be clamped down on. Sadly the far left and the far right like to use migration as a reason to divide us further.

We have more in common with immigrants than we do with our leaders.
Rich maintain their status by many ventures, one of them being, getting poor people to fight with one another rather than identifying who they should actually be fighting.

Its like the red ant and black ant theory.
Put 100 of each in a jar and nothing will happen, but if you shake the jar, they will fight to the death! The red will think the black are the enemy and the black will think the red are the enemy. when in truth the person who has shaken the jar is their enemy.

Great analogy that.

It's effin behond a joke 1k arrive by border force taxi service today!!
How the hell can our services support this amount of mostly young men arriving? Just take them straight back to France what is France going to do Sink our boats.... what happened to this fantastic one in one out deal? Does it mean one out of France and one come into UK...

UK can't actually put an official number on the actual correct amount of ilegal people in the UK.
It's is estimated that anything between 120,000 to 1.3m will be undocumented migrants.
Now when you look across to Turkey, where they border countries like Syria, Afghanistan etc and their numbers are anything between 440,000 to 3,6 M undocumented migrants, I'd say its alot worse for them than it is us.

We have more ilegal migrants who have been here 5/10 years or more. Meaning they were children most likely when they were bought to these shores.

UK can't actually put an official number on the actual correct amount of ilegal people in the UK.
It's is estimated that anything between 120,000 to 1.3m will be undocumented migrants.
Now when you look across to Turkey, where they border countries like Syria, Afghanistan etc and their numbers are anything between 440,000 to 3,6 M undocumented migrants, I'd say its alot worse for them than it is us.

We have more ilegal migrants who have been here 5/10 years or more. Meaning they were children most likely when they were bought to these shores.

Think the difference is in Turkey they kept in camps near border run by agencies.... we give them a lift to uk we pay them for being here we give them accommodation ect
Plus only got to walk into Turkey... yes other countries have it worse undoubtedly but Do we have to give them legal aid to help stay in UK.... undoubtedly France is the problem for fo many coming here but we have no concertive plan to remove those that not entitled to be here ... by 2050 we'll have bigger population than rest of European countries!

UK can't actually put an official number on the actual correct amount of ilegal people in the UK.
It's is estimated that anything between 120,000 to 1.3m will be undocumented migrants.
Now when you look across to Turkey, where they border countries like Syria, Afghanistan etc and their numbers are anything between 440,000 to 3,6 M undocumented migrants, I'd say its alot worse for them than it is us.

We have more ilegal migrants who have been here 5/10 years or more. Meaning they were children most likely when they were bought to these shores.

Think the difference is in Turkey they kept in camps near border run by agencies.... we give them a lift to uk we pay them for being here we give them accommodation ect
Plus only got to walk into Turkey... yes other countries have it worse undoubtedly but Do we have to give them legal aid to help stay in UK.... undoubtedly France is the problem for fo many coming here but we have no concertive plan to remove those that not entitled to be here ... by 2050 we'll have bigger population than rest of European countries!

So rather than focus on the individuals in boats surely the apathy should be directed to the men and women in suits creating this issue?

To Quote Akala "fight with a guy on a Friday night, dont know what for? But won't fight with a guy, suit and a tie, who sends your kids to die in a war! They dont send the kids of the rich or politicians! they send your kids, the poor British!"


Identify the real enemy rather than focus on the target the real enemy puts in front of you.

UK can't actually put an official number on the actual correct amount of ilegal people in the UK.
It's is estimated that anything between 120,000 to 1.3m will be undocumented migrants.
Now when you look across to Turkey, where they border countries like Syria, Afghanistan etc and their numbers are anything between 440,000 to 3,6 M undocumented migrants, I'd say its alot worse for them than it is us.

We have more ilegal migrants who have been here 5/10 years or more. Meaning they were children most likely when they were bought to these shores.

Think the difference is in Turkey they kept in camps near border run by agencies.... we give them a lift to uk we pay them for being here we give them accommodation ect
Plus only got to walk into Turkey... yes other countries have it worse undoubtedly but Do we have to give them legal aid to help stay in UK.... undoubtedly France is the problem for fo many coming here but we have no concertive plan to remove those that not entitled to be here ... by 2050 we'll have bigger population than rest of European countries!

So rather than focus on the individuals in boats surely the apathy should be directed to the men and women in suits creating this issue?

To Quote Akala "fight with a guy on a Friday night, dont know what for? But won't fight with a guy, suit and a tie, who sends your kids to die in a war! They dont send the kids of the rich or politicians! they send your kids, the poor British!"


Identify the real enemy rather than focus on the target the real enemy puts in front of you.

Of course it's fault of politicians for not having a workable policy to stop traffickers and the boats.....also not making a safe orderly way for legal asylum seekers... but we are not talking of asylum seekers we are talking male 20yr+ economic migrants and criminals with very small amount of genuine asylum seekers trying to get into uk via channel... the answer? Get French to make a proper effort to stop boats before leave France.....one solution buy ribs with fast engine (we give them £100m to do nothing) intercept boats before they load passengers puncture them problem solved do that enough times traffickers will need to find alternative routes but at least can't load a thousand illegal migrants... ..

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

Depends on how many of these gangs there are? Padt experience said one goes another takes over plus got to negotiate with foreign gvmnts as gangs not in UK generally! Still think France is the answer but appears no matter how much £££££s or manpower we give yhem nothing changes still have them waving migrants off from beach? Why can't they stop boat leaving a river to go yo a beach? Surely it's not hard to station a fast boat to stop what are very slow dinghies used by traffickers .... more you stop them leaving France less likely people will try ? at moment wheres the disentive to stay away none French do minimal and border force give them lift rest way why not simply take them back to France? No France glad to get rid of them less work for gvmnt to sort out

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

Depends on how many of these gangs there are? Padt experience said one goes another takes over plus got to negotiate with foreign gvmnts as gangs not in UK generally! Still think France is the answer but appears no matter how much £££££s or manpower we give yhem nothing changes still have them waving migrants off from beach? Why can't they stop boat leaving a river to go yo a beach? Surely it's not hard to station a fast boat to stop what are very slow dinghies used by traffickers .... more you stop them leaving France less likely people will try ? at moment wheres the disentive to stay away none French do minimal and border force give them lift rest way why not simply take them back to France? No France glad to get rid of them less work for gvmnt to sort out

About right.

Once on our beaches we have a legal right to look after them through the EHCR. Hence why Reform want us to leave it.

As for the gang you are right. One gang gets taken down only to be replaced by another. Much to my surprise though are most of these gangs are from Syria area and they make their way into the EU by Turkey. There is very little preventative action to stop them.

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

Depends on how many of these gangs there are? Padt experience said one goes another takes over plus got to negotiate with foreign gvmnts as gangs not in UK generally! Still think France is the answer but appears no matter how much £££££s or manpower we give yhem nothing changes still have them waving migrants off from beach? Why can't they stop boat leaving a river to go yo a beach? Surely it's not hard to station a fast boat to stop what are very slow dinghies used by traffickers .... more you stop them leaving France less likely people will try ? at moment wheres the disentive to stay away none French do minimal and border force give them lift rest way why not simply take them back to France? No France glad to get rid of them less work for gvmnt to sort out

About right.

Once on our beaches we have a legal right to look after them through the EHCR. Hence why Reform want us to leave it.

As for the gang you are right. One gang gets taken down only to be replaced by another. Much to my surprise though are most of these gangs are from Syria area and they make their way into the EU by Turkey. There is very little preventative action to stop them.

Thing us theynever reach our beaches we give them a lift from mid channel! They actually know that they need to diall 999 as soon as in range of uk airwaves so we go pick them up ? We've given France around 200m pat couple years plus manpower to stop them all they do is stop odd ones that makes them look good but in reality they do nothing to help keep them in France ...... nothing in international law in stopping UK taking them back to France if we can't France can send a boat out to take them back.... do this won't take long for traffickers to lose buisness as migrants know its waste time paying to go nowhere.
But it's obvious that France doesn't want migrants in their country stuck in calais ..

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

Depends on how many of these gangs there are? Padt experience said one goes another takes over plus got to negotiate with foreign gvmnts as gangs not in UK generally! Still think France is the answer but appears no matter how much £££££s or manpower we give yhem nothing changes still have them waving migrants off from beach? Why can't they stop boat leaving a river to go yo a beach? Surely it's not hard to station a fast boat to stop what are very slow dinghies used by traffickers .... more you stop them leaving France less likely people will try ? at moment wheres the disentive to stay away none French do minimal and border force give them lift rest way why not simply take them back to France? No France glad to get rid of them less work for gvmnt to sort out

About right.

Once on our beaches we have a legal right to look after them through the EHCR. Hence why Reform want us to leave it.

As for the gang you are right. One gang gets taken down only to be replaced by another. Much to my surprise though are most of these gangs are from Syria area and they make their way into the EU by Turkey. There is very little preventative action to stop them.

Thing us theynever reach our beaches we give them a lift from mid channel! They actually know that they need to diall 999 as soon as in range of uk airwaves so we go pick them up ? We've given France around 200m pat couple years plus manpower to stop them all they do is stop odd ones that makes them look good but in reality they do nothing to help keep them in France ...... nothing in international law in stopping UK taking them back to France if we can't France can send a boat out to take them back.... do this won't take long for traffickers to lose buisness as migrants know its waste time paying to go nowhere.
But it's obvious that France doesn't want migrants in their country stuck in calais ..

2023 39k total migrants ...2024 took until 30th Oct to hit 30k... 2025 7th Sept 30k migrants what as £100m+ given to France past 2yrs achieve? Opening army camps will do sfa as be full in weeks if migrants lawyers let it happen.

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

"Smash the gangs" was a PR exercise it's not in Frances interest to stop any boats, it just becomes their problem. Same as one in one out. We can't make the French do anything about this

Keir Starmer mentions about going after the organised criminal gangs involved with the smuggling.

I'm guessing we will not know how far this has progressed until arrest are made but would not a decline in beech arrivals bean indication they are being arrested?

"Smash the gangs" was a PR exercise it's not in Frances interest to stop any boats, it just becomes their problem. Same as one in one out. We can't make the French do anything about this

The funny thing is if the french stop migrants leaving their shores it's most like traffickers will use another country to smuggle them to like Italy ect because at moment there's no incentive for them to stop in fact going on the success of their trafficking they'll be expanding their operations across channel

Migration to UK is needed in certain sectors such as our NHS and Carer sector amongst others.
But illegal migrants should not be allowed to stay in this country.
How we return them is very debatable depending on the country of origin.

Migration to UK is needed in certain sectors such as our NHS and Carer sector amongst others.
But illegal migrants should not be allowed to stay in this country.
How we return them is very debatable depending on the country of origin.

And there lies the problem! Most if not all arrive without documentation so no idea age or country of origin..... very clever can't send someone somewhere if dont know where they're from in 1st place. It takes time and garauntee lots dissappear from where they're held never to be seen again. Theses men don't just arrive with no plan bet most have contacts in UK..as we know most are young men in their 20s ... Big question I would like answer to is how can kids travel through 3 or 4 countries and not be stopped?

Immigration, both legal and illegal, has been out of control for years.
There is a massive imbalance in the focus and coverage of those arriving by boat, which represents about 10% of net migration each year. The previous government did nothing to control the legal migration and allowed the backlog of processing both to get out of control, and the current government are being pulled from all sides trying to do bits to show some level of action.
It's a mess.

Immigration, both legal and illegal, has been out of control for years.
There is a massive imbalance in the focus and coverage of those arriving by boat, which represents about 10% of net migration each year. The previous government did nothing to control the legal migration and allowed the backlog of processing both to get out of control, and the current government are being pulled from all sides trying to do bits to show some level of action.
It's a mess.

Total mess but can't help feeling if wasnt for all the charities and their lawyers interfering at every case for deportation there wont be half as long waiting time for decision being made? Asking for asylum ect when from safe countries like Albania These people should be returned ASAP ... The idea of asylum is for people in danger of persecution not because they want to make money or join criminal gangs ... but when you got people like refugee council basically calling for open border we'll never stop the rush for a better life that is the UK.