UPDATED: O/T Angela Rayner

It’s a shame a single mother from Stockport had to resign, but it just goes to show human nature of trying to protect what you’ve sweated for.

When she had nothing she was snearing at those with wealth and their resistance to redistribution, until she did well enough to be one.

This is why this son of a single parent from coed y gores admired her. She isn’t morally superior to me, she is just the same

Chancer thought she could get away with it end of ,
plenty of women from council estates who pay there taxes .

My point is when push came to shove she is exactly the same as the “Tory scum” she professed to despise

She stated with little, worked incredibly hard, but she wants to keep what she has, whilst lambasting “the rich”.

Hypocrisy is stronger than dogma

It’s a shame a single mother from Stockport had to resign, but it just goes to show human nature of trying to protect what you’ve sweated for.

When she had nothing she was snearing at those with wealth and their resistance to redistribution, until she did well enough to be one.

This is why this son of a single parent from coed y gores admired her. She isn’t morally superior to me, she is just the same

Rayner's fallibility, the ostensibly devout socialist, has exposed the truth that socialist ideology is a fraud - because when it comes to choosing, everyone chooses family over socialism.

RESIGNED.

YESSSS!!!! That’s made my day!!!!

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

OK I know I am in the minority here but I think there needs to be the reality here the politicians are, like all of us, human and they should, like us, be allowed to make mistakes.

I strongly believe that I should not criticise another person unless I can be satisfied I have never made a mistake in life (and I have made some really serious mistakes). Whether others feel the same way I dont know - thats personal to each of us - but for me I cant criticise someone for making a correctable error when I have made more serious mistakes myself.

I do believe that their should be high standards in public life but I also think it should not be the case that ministers are expected to resign every 5 minutes.

To me it does seem wrong that Boris Johnson can stay in power after parties during covid and tax avoidance (legal or illegal) by the Sunak family and these type of scenarios should be sanctioned.

But where a mistake is found, and highlighted by the offender straight away, and wanting to correct the error straight away - to me that is the sign of a good MP. Someone who recognises a problem, doesnt try to hide it, and seeks to correct it - surely that is all we can ask?

I just think in any of our jobs we made a mistake. How would we feel if we werent allowed to correct the mistake and were asked to resign

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

Call an election?

Sorry but we have a clear system in this country where there (should be) an election every five years. The last was just over a year ago.

An election is not going to be called because people aren't happy with the Government, that's not how it works. Especially when you look at the polls in the moment.

I have had sympathy for Angela Rayner because she has faced a lot of misogyny in the press, both in and out of government, but absolutely the right decision for her to resign for something that is clearly her fault here.

I don't buy the argument it's terrible news for the PM. It's inconvenient but him and Rayner have never seen eye to eye.

But talk of an election being called is for the birds. Absolutely zero chance, no matter how many people sign a petition.

Millions also signed a petition to reverse the result of the referendum and, even though I am still a Remainer, that also correctly was ignored.

Absolutely can’t stand the Women, Biggest two faced person you could get and an another liar Politician

OK I know I am in the minority here but I think there needs to be the reality here the politicians are, like all of us, human and they should, like us, be allowed to make mistakes.

I strongly believe that I should not criticise another person unless I can be satisfied I have never made a mistake in life (and I have made some really serious mistakes). Whether others feel the same way I dont know - thats personal to each of us - but for me I cant criticise someone for making a correctable error when I have made more serious mistakes myself.

I do believe that their should be high standards in public life but I also think it should not be the case that ministers are expected to resign every 5 minutes.

To me it does seem wrong that Boris Johnson can stay in power after parties during covid and tax avoidance (legal or illegal) by the Sunak family and these type of scenarios should be sanctioned.

But where a mistake is found, and highlighted by the offender straight away, and wanting to correct the error straight away - to me that is the sign of a good MP. Someone who recognises a problem, doesnt try to hide it, and seeks to correct it - surely that is all we can ask?

I just think in any of our jobs we made a mistake. How would we feel if we werent allowed to correct the mistake and were asked to resign

You mention some of the scandals the last Government faced. I noticed they didn't get much of a comment on here in terms of two page threads.

That's because for a long time, the majority of people on here have been right wing. So I'm not surprised that so many on here are more offended by Rayner's tax misdemeanors than they were about the scandals in the last Government.

It's also strange there's been no threads about the free speech champion Farage banning journalists or his tax issue last year.

My last comment on this thread because I've seen how toxic political threads can get on here after a while and I don't want to be involved in that. Just my view and people are free to disagree with it, which I'm sure they will.

RESIGNED.

No surprise whatsoever.

this scandel will be swept under the carpet and forgotten very soon.

To be replaced by the next scandal.

OK I know I am in the minority here but I think there needs to be the reality here the politicians are, like all of us, human and they should, like us, be allowed to make mistakes.

I strongly believe that I should not criticise another person unless I can be satisfied I have never made a mistake in life (and I have made some really serious mistakes). Whether others feel the same way I dont know - thats personal to each of us - but for me I cant criticise someone for making a correctable error when I have made more serious mistakes myself.

I do believe that their should be high standards in public life but I also think it should not be the case that ministers are expected to resign every 5 minutes.

To me it does seem wrong that Boris Johnson can stay in power after parties during covid and tax avoidance (legal or illegal) by the Sunak family and these type of scenarios should be sanctioned.

But where a mistake is found, and highlighted by the offender straight away, and wanting to correct the error straight away - to me that is the sign of a good MP. Someone who recognises a problem, doesnt try to hide it, and seeks to correct it - surely that is all we can ask?

I just think in any of our jobs we made a mistake. How would we feel if we werent allowed to correct the mistake and were asked to resign

Deliberate or mistake.?

OK I know I am in the minority here but I think there needs to be the reality here the politicians are, like all of us, human and they should, like us, be allowed to make mistakes.

I strongly believe that I should not criticise another person unless I can be satisfied I have never made a mistake in life (and I have made some really serious mistakes). Whether others feel the same way I dont know - thats personal to each of us - but for me I cant criticise someone for making a correctable error when I have made more serious mistakes myself.

I do believe that their should be high standards in public life but I also think it should not be the case that ministers are expected to resign every 5 minutes.

To me it does seem wrong that Boris Johnson can stay in power after parties during covid and tax avoidance (legal or illegal) by the Sunak family and these type of scenarios should be sanctioned.

But where a mistake is found, and highlighted by the offender straight away, and wanting to correct the error straight away - to me that is the sign of a good MP. Someone who recognises a problem, doesnt try to hide it, and seeks to correct it - surely that is all we can ask?

I just think in any of our jobs we made a mistake. How would we feel if we werent allowed to correct the mistake and were asked to resign

Paul she did make a mistake she perpetrated a fraudulent transaction and tried to blame the conveyor and her solicitor who have stated by both of them that they did NOT give her tax advise. She has been caught out and has now suffered the consequences.
she resigned as she was told before it was made public that she broke the rules. Made my day that she has gone. Please Starmer to follow

I know I am in the minority here - but I definitely respect the views of others.

Ultimately she was the cause of the problem - no one else.

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

If Starmer sacked Raynor immediately he would have been accused of poor judgement for choosing her from the right and disloyalty to her from the left. He can't win.

The level of vitriol and attack from the right wing is staggering given the Tory government had 14 years. Like many I am disappointed with Labours performance after a year but constantly trying to disable the government and bring it down is not good for the country or democracy. Labour should be given a parliament to make change not 13 months, judge them then. For the country's sake I hope they get it right because if you peel back the skin of the Reform party its full of dangerous individuals who will go after all our freedoms, the NHS, our pensions and much more.

Boll.cks freedoms are under attack from labour not reform they have never been so bad.

Amen . Its like Wales governance ,every moans ,but they vote them back in how do folk actually know Reform are the same , folk sad this of Trump , his 1st Term was attacked by media ,banned from.free speech, dear lord he's making a noise and change now for the real folk not the privileged East Coast.

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

If Starmer sacked Raynor immediately he would have been accused of poor judgement for choosing her from the right and disloyalty to her from the left. He can't win.

The level of vitriol and attack from the right wing is staggering given the Tory government had 14 years. Like many I am disappointed with Labours performance after a year but constantly trying to disable the government and bring it down is not good for the country or democracy. Labour should be given a parliament to make change not 13 months, judge them then. For the country's sake I hope they get it right because if you peel back the skin of the Reform party its full of dangerous individuals who will go after all our freedoms, the NHS, our pensions and much more.

Boll.cks freedoms are under attack from labour not reform they have never been so bad.

Amen . Its like Wales governance ,every moans ,but they vote them back in how do folk actually know Reform are the same , folk sad this of Trump , his 1st Term was attacked by media ,banned from.free speech, dear lord he's making a noise and change now for the real folk not the privileged East Coast.

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

Call an election?

Sorry but we have a clear system in this country where there (should be) an election every five years. The last was just over a year ago.

An election is not going to be called because people aren't happy with the Government, that's not how it works. Especially when you look at the polls in the moment.

I have had sympathy for Angela Rayner because she has faced a lot of misogyny in the press, both in and out of government, but absolutely the right decision for her to resign for something that is clearly her fault here.

I don't buy the argument it's terrible news for the PM. It's inconvenient but him and Rayner have never seen eye to eye.

But talk of an election being called is for the birds. Absolutely zero chance, no matter how many people sign a petition.

Millions also signed a petition to reverse the result of the referendum and, even though I am still a Remainer, that also correctly was ignored.

What misogyny has she faced?
Forget left or right, she’s just another self serving politician, with their nose in the trough.

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

That link is vile and sickening.

Just another to add to a long list of evidence that all politicians are the same. I don’t trust a single one of them and the whole system needs ripping up.

Reform must rise and shake the mechanisms ,to the core

Yeah I wouldn’t hold your breath on Reform doing anything of the sort. They’re riddled with scandal just as much as the other two.

Biggest tossers of them all

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

Call an election?

Sorry but we have a clear system in this country where there (should be) an election every five years. The last was just over a year ago.

An election is not going to be called because people aren't happy with the Government, that's not how it works. Especially when you look at the polls in the moment.

I have had sympathy for Angela Rayner because she has faced a lot of misogyny in the press, both in and out of government, but absolutely the right decision for her to resign for something that is clearly her fault here.

I don't buy the argument it's terrible news for the PM. It's inconvenient but him and Rayner have never seen eye to eye.

But talk of an election being called is for the birds. Absolutely zero chance, no matter how many people sign a petition.

Millions also signed a petition to reverse the result of the referendum and, even though I am still a Remainer, that also correctly was ignored.

Its laughable to suggest or call for an election

Labour are crap but have a huge majority

What is most likely to happen is starmer is booted out by his own party

I would be far happier with that than Nigel Farage as Prime Minister , hes the biggest snake of them all

Oooh bet the social enclave callws CCMB will be fuming , yet another hit for their socalist principles how many hits gas it been for Labour in their first year of bringing in trusted politicians and care for thier own, time for Two Tier Kier to call an Election, if he carries on more will fall leading to a Reform government [ oh hang on , isnt it best Sir Kier stays in power to ensure we get change as im sure there are few more resigiations ,sackings to come ]

The councillor in Peterborough Whatts App comment is especially disgusting.. https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... n=sharebar

Not CCMB surely they're always right?

OK I know I am in the minority here but I think there needs to be the reality here the politicians are, like all of us, human and they should, like us, be allowed to make mistakes.

I strongly believe that I should not criticise another person unless I can be satisfied I have never made a mistake in life (and I have made some really serious mistakes). Whether others feel the same way I dont know - thats personal to each of us - but for me I cant criticise someone for making a correctable error when I have made more serious mistakes myself.

I do believe that their should be high standards in public life but I also think it should not be the case that ministers are expected to resign every 5 minutes.

To me it does seem wrong that Boris Johnson can stay in power after parties during covid and tax avoidance (legal or illegal) by the Sunak family and these type of scenarios should be sanctioned.

But where a mistake is found, and highlighted by the offender straight away, and wanting to correct the error straight away - to me that is the sign of a good MP. Someone who recognises a problem, doesnt try to hide it, and seeks to correct it - surely that is all we can ask?

I just think in any of our jobs we made a mistake. How would we feel if we werent allowed to correct the mistake and were asked to resign

Paul, for me it was the only outcome after the perpetual caning she in particular gave the errant Tories; and as ‘Housing Minister’, it was particularly untenable

As you say though, we all make mistakes, and there should maybe be more understanding between the parties before they implode in an avalanche of tit-for-tat

She got caught and is now trying to spin a sob story like she's on the x-factor. It's nothing to do with tit for tat you can't get away with being a tax dodging socialist

Saw my accountant today. Their view was if I or they had done that we would have been struck off from our professions. Good enough for me. She lived by tbe sword and should have known better

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

Stamp duty no longer that straightforward Paul. Under trust terms she seems to have retained some form of control interest in the property. HMRC deem that to make it your principal residence. Making any purchases, additional properties attracting higher rate stamp.
She’s not an ordinary Joe Public person. She’s classed as a Potentially Exposed Person under FCA legislation, subject to higher due diligence. That in itself should have been enough to ensure all crossed and dotted. But she’s also the minister for housing. Making her knowledgeable in the eyes of the law.
She’s been extremely flippant in her regard for rules and taxation, on this and previous property. As a government minister she needs to take more care in every transaction she undertakes.

Well the conveyers didn't do the tax as she stated.... and what happened with trust was easy explained if as they put it the right question was asked? Can I put house in my sons name answer is no why because he's under 18 so the house was still in her name...if she asked that simple question she would have known her flat would be 2nd home subject to the higher tax.... May not done deliberately but should be sacked for being stupid.

The property will be held in the name of the trust not her son. So it won’t matter how old he is. I think she was greedy more than stupid. Now reading comments that the house sold into the trust went in at twice the value of similar ones sold recently. If that truly is the case it seems to point to using the situation to pull the trust monies out, while dressing it up as “for my son’s benefit “ obviously it’s hypothetical, but imo this whole thing stinks of greed.
And her and the Labour Party need to drop the Working Class single mantra as it’s become insulting, working class single mothers don’t earn £150k + or buy £800k properties. She was one, she’s enjoyed social mobility and is now in a different socio economic class.

Reeves should join her! Latest idea tax GP partnerships!!
Can see it now practices giving up their partnerships so less GPS having to see more patients.. this woman only knows how to tax things knows fck all about finances she will destroy economy at this rate.

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

Stamp duty no longer that straightforward Paul. Under trust terms she seems to have retained some form of control interest in the property. HMRC deem that to make it your principal residence. Making any purchases, additional properties attracting higher rate stamp.
She’s not an ordinary Joe Public person. She’s classed as a Potentially Exposed Person under FCA legislation, subject to higher due diligence. That in itself should have been enough to ensure all crossed and dotted. But she’s also the minister for housing. Making her knowledgeable in the eyes of the law.
She’s been extremely flippant in her regard for rules and taxation, on this and previous property. As a government minister she needs to take more care in every transaction she undertakes.

Well the conveyers didn't do the tax as she stated.... and what happened with trust was easy explained if as they put it the right question was asked? Can I put house in my sons name answer is no why because he's under 18 so the house was still in her name...if she asked that simple question she would have known her flat would be 2nd home subject to the higher tax.... May not done deliberately but should be sacked for being stupid.

The property will be held in the name of the trust not her son. So it won’t matter how old he is. I think she was greedy more than stupid. Now reading comments that the house sold into the trust went in at twice the value of similar ones sold recently. If that truly is the case it seems to point to using the situation to pull the trust monies out, while dressing it up as “for my son’s benefit “ obviously it’s hypothetical, but imo this whole thing stinks of greed.
And her and the Labour Party need to drop the Working Class single mantra as it’s become insulting, working class single mothers don’t earn £150k + or buy £800k properties. She was one, she’s enjoyed social mobility and is now in a different socio economic class.

The point is she is classed as owner of property despite it being in trust...how else can she take 160k out of trust to pay for new flat if house was on trust? But greed is behind what happened and she got what dhe deserved and talk of having to sell flat!