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Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 12:53 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
maccydee wrote:Last season we had bigger crowds than Bournemouth and Brentford.

Does that make us a bigger club than them?



On many occasions pundits have described us as a big club you never hear them call brentford swansea Bournemouth ect ect as big clubs.... it comes from our status in game ! You may not agree but it's how we are seen by others within game that defines us not fans


If it’s how other fans see us I don’t think we are a big club then.

I suspect neutral fans would see Wrexham as bigger than us. They have just spent 7.5 million on a player in the championship and we talk about them a lot more than they talk about us.



Fans have a different perspective as to what constitutes a big club? Most clubs fans say those that are big clubs generally have capacity of 30k+ fans... personally we are up with clubs like sheff utd Notts forest ect but like said fans will never agree that we are as big but we are...People say being in premier league and staying there will make us a big club? I used sheff utd who are big club but have stayed in premier league infrequently so where do they get their staus as big club from same goes for Sunderlandand even forest and there are others with similar credentials


in the last decade or so Bournemouth and Burnley have been in the Premier league more than leeds
we know they ain't anywhere near the size of leeds

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 1:15 pm

Just had a look at Wrexhams all time attendance records, 12k is their best ever year, a 55k stadium is insane

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 1:24 pm

froggy1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
maccydee wrote:Last season we had bigger crowds than Bournemouth and Brentford.

Does that make us a bigger club than them?



On many occasions pundits have described us as a big club you never hear them call brentford swansea Bournemouth ect ect as big clubs.... it comes from our status in game ! You may not agree but it's how we are seen by others within game that defines us not fans


If it’s how other fans see us I don’t think we are a big club then.

I suspect neutral fans would see Wrexham as bigger than us. They have just spent 7.5 million on a player in the championship and we talk about them a lot more than they talk about us.



Fans have a different perspective as to what constitutes a big club? Most clubs fans say those that are big clubs generally have capacity of 30k+ fans... personally we are up with clubs like sheff utd Notts forest ect but like said fans will never agree that we are as big but we are...People say being in premier league and staying there will make us a big club? I used sheff utd who are big club but have stayed in premier league infrequently so where do they get their staus as big club from same goes for Sunderlandand even forest and there are others with similar credentials


in the last decade or so Bournemouth and Burnley have been in the Premier league more than leeds
we know they ain't anywhere near the size of leeds



That's the point being in premier league for years don't make you a big club was Swansea classed as a big club after 8yrs in premier league no! Whilst we've only had 2 seasons in premier league it hasn't stopped pundits classing us as a big club all got to do is prove it? And by big don't mean same as arsenal and the usual suspects but by same token other so called big clubs Sunderland ect are not either...

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 1:45 pm

In the tiny bubble that is Wales & really all we care about, of course we're the biggest team both in support & the larger football community. In the slightly larger U.K. bubble of course we're seen as the biggest Welsh club but I doubt worldwide that we're known as the biggest club in Wales because of the tv show & the coverage it gets giving them a lot more "fans" than us, but that will diminish sooner rather than later & really doesn't matter in the long run.

So of course we're the biggest in Wales overall & over the long run.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 1:51 pm

Reynolds is a world-class entrepreneur/business leader. He'll instinctively know when to bail, and i can see that being within the next 2 seasons. He does this with all his businesses.

I believe the championship will be a slog and not great viewing for their docudrama. I can see them selling a majority of their shares to reduce their liabilities; the wage bill must have tripled for a mid-table championship at best or relegation battle at worst.

55k is just talk, 20K will be their ceiling.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 2:20 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Reynolds is a world-class entrepreneur/business leader. He'll instinctively know when to bail, and i can see that being within the next 2 seasons. He does this with all his businesses.

I believe the championship will be a slog and not great viewing for their docudrama. I can see them selling a majority of their shares to reduce their liabilities; the wage bill must have tripled for a mid-table championship at best or relegation battle at worst.

55k is just talk, 20K will be their ceiling.


Our insfastructure is set for 60k. This was in place before Tan came. Run properly with the right investment and we would hit that. We know why we are struggling with it all.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 2:32 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:Reynolds is a world-class entrepreneur/business leader. He'll instinctively know when to bail, and i can see that being within the next 2 seasons. He does this with all his businesses.

I believe the championship will be a slog and not great viewing for their docudrama. I can see them selling a majority of their shares to reduce their liabilities; the wage bill must have tripled for a mid-table championship at best or relegation battle at worst.

55k is just talk, 20K will be their ceiling.


Our insfastructure is set for 60k. This was in place before Tan came. Run properly with the right investment and we would hit that. We know why we are struggling with it all.


It would take a lot for us to need a 60k stadium.

Wales could do with a 60k stadium for some games mind.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 8:16 pm

Club size is always decided by the number of members it has.

Forget money, position, etc. If a club has only 10 members, but is super rich and has a massive stadium, it would only be a small club of 10 members.

However, if a club has 10,000 members, it would be considered a large club.

Two extremes, I know, but there for reference.

So, that being the case, we are deffo the biggest club in Wales in any sport.

:old:

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 8:18 pm

pembroke allan wrote:

Fans have a different perspective as to what constitutes a big club? Most clubs fans say those that are big clubs generally have capacity of 30k+ fans... personally we are up with clubs like sheff utd Notts forest ect but like said fans will never agree that we are as big but we are...People say being in premier league and staying there will make us a big club? I used sheff utd who are big club but have stayed in premier league infrequently so where do they get their staus as big club from same goes for Sunderlandand even forest and there are others with similar credentials


We might need to win a couple of European Cups to be up there with Forest, to be fair.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 8:23 pm

SBF1 wrote:Club size is always decided by the number of members it has.

Forget money, position, etc. If a club has only 10 members, but is super rich and has a massive stadium, it would only be a small club of 10 members.

However, if a club has 10,000 members, it would be considered a large club.

Two extremes, I know, but there for reference.

So, that being the case, we are deffo the biggest club in Wales in any sport.

:old:


Agree with this.

Always use Man City as an example. No matter what they win or how much money they spend, they'll never be as big as Man Utd or Liverpool.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 8:29 pm

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Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Sun Aug 17, 2025 9:08 pm

SBF1 wrote:Club size is always decided by the number of members it has.

Forget money, position, etc. If a club has only 10 members, but is super rich and has a massive stadium, it would only be a small club of 10 members.

However, if a club has 10,000 members, it would be considered a large club.

Two extremes, I know, but there for reference.

So, that being the case, we are deffo the biggest club in Wales in any sport.

:old:


Worldwide members?

Wrexham are pretty big then I would suggest.

Re: Biggest Club in Wales :

Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:24 am

maccydee wrote:
SBF1 wrote:Club size is always decided by the number of members it has.

Forget money, position, etc. If a club has only 10 members, but is super rich and has a massive stadium, it would only be a small club of 10 members.

However, if a club has 10,000 members, it would be considered a large club.

Two extremes, I know, but there for reference.

So, that being the case, we are deffo the biggest club in Wales in any sport.

:old:


Worldwide members?

Wrexham are pretty big then I would suggest.


Just people who like the club. I'm talking about those "on our books" season ticket holders and members. (names, addresses, fan numbers, mailing list, etc.) I would suggest they don't have as many as people think. I think Annis posted on here quite a few years ago about how many we had on our books
Loads of so-called fans walking around in Liverpool shirts, etc, but not on their books?