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Not wanting to side with Tan but you can see his point with the Dalman debt.

He would near enough walk away with an initial 40million and then have to pay it straight to Dalman.

Strange twist that Dalman is now the sticking point.

I disagree , that’s Tans fault for borrowing and has moved the goal
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They won’t budge and nor would I take Dalmans debt on.

Looks like we are currently stuck with Tan, expect more players to leave.




Tan / Dalman not spoke for 6 weeks.

The last 3 years Dalman’s money been paying the losses.

So what is the difference from 2010, when you and Carl were very vocal in insisting that Tan should pay off the Langstone debt
and now insisting that Tan should pay off the Dalman debt.
Although I hope he does so we are free of him.

Great post

I wonder if fans boycotted buying season tickets this new campaign might have forced his hand even more to sell up .

Cheque mate type move if the fanbase had stuck together.

As Goutas alluded to and there is a lack of fight on and off the field. Tan should have been forced out years ago

So disappointing tbh.

Ive give up thinking about it know, so many different versions and potential players that I will believe it when it happens, closer we get to end of transfer window though it does become a bit concerning.

Not wanting to side with Tan but you can see his point with the Dalman debt.

He would near enough walk away with an initial 40million and then have to pay it straight to Dalman.

Strange twist that Dalman is now the sticking point.

I disagree , that’s Tans fault for borrowing and has moved the goal
Posts.

They won’t budge and nor would I take Dalmans debt on.

Looks like we are currently stuck with Tan, expect more players to leave.




Tan / Dalman not spoke for 6 weeks.

The last 3 years Dalman’s money been paying the losses.

So what is the difference from 2010, when you and Carl were very vocal in insisting that Tan should pay off the Langstone debt
and now insisting that Tan should pay off the Dalman debt.
Although I hope he does so we are free of him.

???


Because Tan had agreed in 2009 that he bought the club on the understanding that he had to pay of £24million.
Vincent Tan Signed to this.

And due to him then refusing for years Cost Our Club, £4mill in legal costs, £4-£5million in interest, plus a new agreement he had to do was if we were promoted he had to pay an extra £2million.

So Tan once again cost our club an extra £10million.

It’s always Tan don’t you see.

The last 3 years Tan has put nothing in, Dalman has lent us £38mill plus interest to keep us going due to Tans shambles of running our Club.

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Not wanting to side with Tan but you can see his point with the Dalman debt.

He would near enough walk away with an initial 40million and then have to pay it straight to Dalman.

Strange twist that Dalman is now the sticking point.

I disagree , that’s Tans fault for borrowing and has moved the goal
Posts.

They won’t budge and nor would I take Dalmans debt on.

Looks like we are currently stuck with Tan, expect more players to leave.




Tan / Dalman not spoke for 6 weeks.

The last 3 years Dalman’s money been paying the losses.

So what is the difference from 2010, when you and Carl were very vocal in insisting that Tan should pay off the Langstone debt
and now insisting that Tan should pay off the Dalman debt.
Although I hope he does so we are free of him.

You need to make uk your mind on Tan

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Trundle is a freak.

How many other ex footballers are obsessed with their local opponents than him. i know no other.

I wonder if fans boycotted buying season tickets this new campaign might have forced his hand even more to sell up .

Cheque mate type move if the fanbase had stuck together.

As Goutas alluded to and there is a lack of fight on and off the field. Tan should have been forced out years ago

So disappointing tbh.

Funnily enough, I proposed similar to the trust and asked if they could also take to FAB given their membership, if they felt it appropriate . I suggested they recommend to members we wait to purchase until the last few days of the seat reservation window, with an aim to get the club to come to the table and show their findings of any review etc.

They said they’d take it to the chair and never heard a thing back .. as expected

Trundle is a freak.

How many other ex footballers are obsessed with their local opponents than him. i know no other.

Ian and Trundle is Obsessed with US.

Twice a week at least he tags me in on anything against Cardiff City

I would honestly take what the poster have said with a pinch of salt, nobody would know the in and outs of the takeover deal only Tan and his muppets and the interested consortium would know the proper story in whats going on behind the scenes, I am pretty sure that these meeting taking place would be all hush hush and we will only know whats really happened when a deal has been struck.
Like after every meeting the board or consortium would say don't forget to tell so and so because then we can keep Annis up to date on whats happening what a load of drivel this post is anybody could of sprouted that nonsense up,
Another post of people who think they are ITK but knows sod all.

I would honestly take what the poster have said with a pinch of salt, nobody would know the in and outs of the takeover deal only Tan and his muppets and the interested consortium would know the proper story in whats going on behind the scenes, I am pretty sure that these meeting taking place would be all hush hush and we will only know whats really happened when a deal has been struck.
Like after every meeting the board or consortium would say don't forget to tell so and so because then we can keep Annis up to date on whats happening what a load of drivel this post is anybody could of sprouted that nonsense up,
Another post of people who think they are ITK but knows sod all.

The sale of the club is a massive deal full stop.They are hardly going to leak all the sensitive material out to the public.Unless somebody knows someone who is actually involved, then it's all speculation.Also that person would have to face the music!!

I would honestly take what the poster have said with a pinch of salt, nobody would know the in and outs of the takeover deal only Tan and his muppets and the interested consortium would know the proper story in whats going on behind the scenes, I am pretty sure that these meeting taking place would be all hush hush and we will only know whats really happened when a deal has been struck.
Like after every meeting the board or consortium would say don't forget to tell so and so because then we can keep Annis up to date on whats happening what a load of drivel this post is anybody could of sprouted that nonsense up,
Another post of people who think they are ITK but knows sod all.

The sale of the club is a massive deal full stop.They are hardly going to leak all the sensitive material out to the public.Unless somebody knows someone who is actually involved, then it's all speculation.Also that person would have to face the music!!

Do people not think that there are certain parties that actually ‘want’ it to get out? It puts a lot pressure on Tan and makes it harder to deny contact and/or resist a reasonable offer

Nothing new in that for a business sale/purchase!

I would honestly take what the poster have said with a pinch of salt, nobody would know the in and outs of the takeover deal only Tan and his muppets and the interested consortium would know the proper story in whats going on behind the scenes, I am pretty sure that these meeting taking place would be all hush hush and we will only know whats really happened when a deal has been struck.
Like after every meeting the board or consortium would say don't forget to tell so and so because then we can keep Annis up to date on whats happening what a load of drivel this post is anybody could of sprouted that nonsense up,
Another post of people who think they are ITK but knows sod all.

The sale of the club is a massive deal full stop.They are hardly going to leak all the sensitive material out to the public.Unless somebody knows someone who is actually involved, then it's all speculation.Also that person would have to face the music!!

Could not have put it better myself, glad you agree in what I was trying to say.

Not wanting to side with Tan but you can see his point with the Dalman debt.

He would near enough walk away with an initial 40million and then have to pay it straight to Dalman.

Strange twist that Dalman is now the sticking point.

I disagree , that’s Tans fault for borrowing and has moved the goal
Posts.

They won’t budge and nor would I take Dalmans debt on.

Looks like we are currently stuck with Tan, expect more players to leave.




Tan / Dalman not spoke for 6 weeks.

The last 3 years Dalman’s money been paying the losses.

So what is the difference from 2010, when you and Carl were very vocal in insisting that Tan should pay off the Langstone debt
and now insisting that Tan should pay off the Dalman debt.
Although I hope he does so we are free of him.

You need to make uk your mind on Tan

All I asked was for some clarity on the difference between the two debt payments — I wasn’t expecting such a childish reply. As for your comment about me needing to "make my mind up" on Tan, perhaps you could point out where I’ve ever claimed to be a Tan supporter? Like many others on here, I’ve never forgiven him for the colour change. That said, unlike you, I don’t feel the need to bring it up in every single post.

On another note, you keep stating that Tan bought the club for £6 million, but then also say he paid a further £24 million to Sam. Doesn’t that mean he actually paid £30 million? Or are we now counting selectively?

If you're unable to provide a sensible answer, I’d prefer if you simply didn’t reply. You seem to assume anyone who challenges your view is a Tan lover, and in doing so, your arguments are beginning to lose clarity.

All I asked was for some clarity on the difference between the two debt payments — I wasn’t expecting such a childish reply. As for your comment about me needing to "make my mind up" on Tan, perhaps you could point out where I’ve ever claimed to be a Tan supporter? Like many others on here, I’ve never forgiven him for the colour change. That said, unlike you, I don’t feel the need to bring it up in every single post.

On another note, you keep stating that Tan bought the club for £6 million, but then also say he paid a further £24 million to Sam. Doesn’t that mean he actually paid £30 million? Or are we now counting selectively?

If you're unable to provide a sensible answer, I’d prefer if you simply didn’t reply. You seem to assume anyone who challenges your view is a Tan lover, and in doing so, your arguments are beginning to lose clarity.

Top, top post mate.

We all want Tan out. Annis would do well to recognise this.

Not wanting to side with Tan but you can see his point with the Dalman debt.

He would near enough walk away with an initial 40million and then have to pay it straight to Dalman.

Strange twist that Dalman is now the sticking point.

I disagree , that’s Tans fault for borrowing and has moved the goal
Posts.

They won’t budge and nor would I take Dalmans debt on.

Looks like we are currently stuck with Tan, expect more players to leave.


Tan / Dalman not spoke for 6 weeks.

The last 3 years Dalman’s money been paying the losses.

Sorry annis but your wrong that dalman has been paying the loses, he invested most of the money for players when we went up to the Premier League with warnock , the accounts shows this

Wonder where we go from here because surely all our fan base can see tan not right for us

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Annis if Tan is willing to accept £40m + another£40m on promotion to the EPL then all we are left with is dalman debt.

Could this not be covered by giving dalman say 10% of the shares in the new company - which could be worth £40-50m when club is in EPL

Annis if Tan is willing to accept £40m + another£40m on promotion to the EPL then all we are left with is dalman debt.

Could this not be covered by giving dalman say 10% of the shares in the new company - which could be worth £40-50m when club is in EPL

I spoke to Annis earlier Paul and said the exact same thing.

I think Dalman reducing the debt owed to him but being involved in the new regime is a real possibility.

Dalman is an intelligent and pragmatic man who understands the UK market (unlike Tan), he knows that his loan will have more worth if the club is higher up the pyramid - even if the figure of his loan is reduced.

Annis if Tan is willing to accept £40m + another£40m on promotion to the EPL then all we are left with is dalman debt.

Could this not be covered by giving dalman say 10% of the shares in the new company - which could be worth £40-50m when club is in EPL

I spoke to Annis earlier Paul and said the exact same thing.

I think Dalman reducing the debt owed to him but being involved in the new regime is a real possibility.

Dalman is an intelligent and pragmatic man who understands the UK market (unlike Tan), he knows that his loan will have more worth if the club is higher up the pyramid - even if the figure of his loan is reduced.

So the potentially New Owners:


Ned and Paul,

First to be fair to them they flew to see Dalman in Monaco.

Apparently went to see him and ask him about the £38Mill.


I have been told they want like Tan has had such a majority of our Club that virtually they are the outright owners and answer to NO one.

Look I have hundreds of thousands of shares and thanks to Tan he he has devalued mine incredibly like others who bought shares.

I don’t believe they would give Dalman 10%.

Don’t forget they Weill ge spending over £100mill total is up two leagues.

Annis if Tan is willing to accept £40m + another£40m on promotion to the EPL then all we are left with is dalman debt.

Could this not be covered by giving dalman say 10% of the shares in the new company - which could be worth £40-50m when club is in EPL

I spoke to Annis earlier Paul and said the exact same thing.

I think Dalman reducing the debt owed to him but being involved in the new regime is a real possibility.

Dalman is an intelligent and pragmatic man who understands the UK market (unlike Tan), he knows that his loan will have more worth if the club is higher up the pyramid - even if the figure of his loan is reduced.

So the potentially New Owners:


Ned and Paul,

First to be fair to them they flew to see Dalman in Monaco.

Apparently went to see him and ask him about the £38Mill.


I have been told they want like Tan has had such a majority of our Club that virtually they are the outright owners and answer to NO one.

Look I have hundreds of thousands of shares and thanks to Tan he he has devalued mine incredibly like others who bought shares.

I don’t believe they would give Dalman 10%.

Don’t forget they Weill ge spending over £100mill total is up two leagues.

Obviously the owners will be well aware of how to structure a deal and all we can do is surmise and throw around ideas that we HOPE are possible.

If they are willing to pay Tan and extra £40 Million on EPL promotion, surely they could do similar with Dalman but give him some skin in the game as well.

If they could stretch to Dalaman owning 5% of the shares, they could sweeten it by giving him a salaried role and maintain his 7% interest on his loan.

In return he does not call in his loan until we reach the Prem. Then IF the value of his shares are not worth the £40 Million then they pay him the difference.

Dalman can then remain or sell but at this point he will not hold any loan just shares.

I appreciate I might be in the minority but I actually feel quite positive about a deal taking place. Afterall the main part of the deal (Purchase of VT shares and debt) appears to have been agreed.

All that is left is to determine how best to structure the debt CCFC (technically, not Tan) owe to Mehmet Dalman and, whilst my business structure knowledge is limited, I am sure there are many ways in which that can be accommodated with the new owners maintaining a 100% ownership.

However - My question is this?
With CCFC presently owing Mehmet £38m, assuming no buyers, when would Mehmet realistically anticipate on being repaid?


The reason I ask this question is because, if the SA bid is successful, I cant help thinking that he will be repaid within 5 years whereas, in its present state, I cant help thinking that it would be ages until it is repaid by either CCFC or VT