There will be signings

Very worrying times
All the best players gone . Wow wtf is next ?
We are crumbling before our eyes and people can’t see it

All the best players gone?

So Ralls (injury prone, hardly played), Ramsey (injury prone, hardly played) O Dowda etc are better and more important than the likes of Salech?

All we have done is got rid of players that were either obviously leaving, or we should have got rid of.

No doubt I’ll be called a Tan lover again for just being real instead of melodramatic.

I considered O'Dowda as one of the players I would like to have stayed. Unfortunately, he's gone.
My concern is that we don't lose Salech, Robertson, Colwill or Fish.
Sure, if we keep them, we can build a team around them, but if we lose one or more of them, I'd be surprised if we replaced them with equal or better.
Only time will tell.

If we lose Colwill and can’t replace him with better we really are in the pickies.

I don’t think we need to worry just yet.

First of all, we got relegated. Our fans need to understand that you will lose good players, that’s the cost of relegation.

Second of all, the club were about to recruit, but BBM has stepped in. This was needed. We don’t recruit for the manager or the philosophy, we do it blindly.


So…let’s see the positive. We have a manager who has stepped in to make sure we recruit properly. We have ripped up the plans and started fresh. With this, we will see negotiations and expected signings soon.

Let’s not make the mistakes of the past and just recruit anybody, let’s get the players that have the correct skills and traits which are required for BBM’s system.

Very worrying times
All the best players gone . Wow wtf is next ?
We are crumbling before our eyes and people can’t see it

All the best players gone?

So Ralls (injury prone, hardly played), Ramsey (injury prone, hardly played) O Dowda etc are better and more important than the likes of Salech?

All we have done is got rid of players that were either obviously leaving, or we should have got rid of.

No doubt I’ll be called a Tan lover again for just being real instead of melodramatic.

You are spot on.

O'Dowda is the only important player that has left, and that has been expected.

All the best players haven't left and probably won't leave.

Very worrying times
All the best players gone . Wow wtf is next ?
We are crumbling before our eyes and people can’t see it

All the best players gone?

So Ralls (injury prone, hardly played), Ramsey (injury prone, hardly played) O Dowda etc are better and more important than the likes of Salech?

All we have done is got rid of players that were either obviously leaving, or we should have got rid of.

No doubt I’ll be called a Tan lover again for just being real instead of melodramatic.

Agree, I like O’Dowda but I don’t think we have lost anyone yet that is going to be a big affect on the team.

I don’t think we need to worry just yet.

First of all, we got relegated. Our fans need to understand that you will lose good players, that’s the cost of relegation.

Second of all, the club were about to recruit, but BBM has stepped in. This was needed. We don’t recruit for the manager or the philosophy, we do it blindly.


So…let’s see the positive. We have a manager who has stepped in to make sure we recruit properly. We have ripped up the plans and started fresh. With this, we will see negotiations and expected signings soon.

Let’s not make the mistakes of the past and just recruit anybody, let’s get the players that have the correct skills and traits which are required for BBM’s system.

A good post.

There would be chaos if we brought in players right at the start that weren’t working out. At that point people would be saying ‘should have waited, uninspiring bla bla bla’

Unfortunately negativity breeds negativity.

Replacing experienced players with youth doesn't mean it's better than an experienced player but you saying we will get better players because of bbm connections yes in youth football but it's not mans football like league one

Replacing experienced players with youth doesn't mean it's better than an experienced player but you saying we will get better players because of bbm connections yes in youth football but it's not mans football like league one

But replacing an injury prone player with a player who is able to play is adding depth.

Also, what’s to say that a youngster wouldn’t be a good player?

There are plenty of examples of youngsters who have proven themselves at a much higher level than league one.

Very worrying times
All the best players gone . Wow wtf is next ?
We are crumbling before our eyes and people can’t see it

All the best players gone? Really? Ralls and Ramsey were totally crocked. As for Meite and El Ghazi, please! O Dowda is the only player of any value or use from last year that has gone. Get a grip and stop being melodramatic.

How can you all find any positivity in what’s been going on for years , we are in a mess and we are going down , as long as tan is here we are doomed to failure , dahlman has had enough of him , and he’s the only one out of the 3 who knows a bit about football , I really wish I could have your positive outlook but I’m just baffled at the belief you guys have that it’s all gona be fine .
TAN OUT

Very worrying times
All the best players gone . Wow wtf is next ?
We are crumbling before our eyes and people can’t see it

All the best players gone? Really? Ralls and Ramsey were totally crocked. As for Meite and El Ghazi, please! O Dowda is the only player of any value or use from last year that has gone. Get a grip and stop being melodramatic.

Ahahaha meite and al ghazi , shocking players , who said they were good ?
I meant the good ones we had left rallsy o dowda rino

Everybody knows ralls o'dowda ramsey riminota where quality players injured and past it yes, but what some of us are trying to explain is we need that sort of quality having kids coming in from other academy's is not going to cut it,
granted we could unearth a gem but in division 3 we need some old heads experienced players on loan for a season to help the younger ones along I am happy with youngsters but not a squad of kids and for the record I think Robertson will leave for a Championship club.

It's the same every window though Ned and people say it's early yet every time. Same old shit from the club spin promotion talk like we are fools with this squad we would be a mid table side if that in my opinion. Although some think we are winning the league the same ones who said we was going up last year I suspect.

Everybody knows ralls o'dowda ramsey riminota where quality players injured and past it yes, but what some of us are trying to explain is we need that sort of quality having kids coming in from other academy's is not going to cut it,
granted we could unearth a gem but in division 3 we need some old heads experienced players on loan for a season to help the younger ones along I am happy with youngsters but not a squad of kids and for the record I think Robertson will leave for a Championship club.

I Totally agree with you monty some see the future is bright but it's based on youngsters sorry it won't last you can't replace experience with untried youth

It's the same every window though Ned and people say it's early yet every time. Same old shit from the club spin promotion talk like we are fools with this squad we would be a mid table side if that in my opinion. Although some think we are winning the league the same ones who said we was going up last year I suspect.

Last season we were favourites to be in the bottom three. This season we're second favourites to win the league.

People say the bookies are never wrong about team performances (not manager appointments), until it suits them.

It's the same every window though Ned and people say it's early yet every time. Same old shit from the club spin promotion talk like we are fools with this squad we would be a mid table side if that in my opinion. Although some think we are winning the league the same ones who said we was going up last year I suspect.

Yes to the prem with riza

Everybody knows ralls o'dowda ramsey riminota where quality players injured and past it yes, but what some of us are trying to explain is we need that sort of quality having kids coming in from other academy's is not going to cut it,
granted we could unearth a gem but in division 3 we need some old heads experienced players on loan for a season to help the younger ones along I am happy with youngsters but not a squad of kids and for the record I think Robertson will leave for a Championship club.

The point is the window doesn't shut today.

So it doesn't really matter what our squad is like now, what matters is how it looks at the end of August.

But one important player has left, that's it.

Ned, you have a valid argument. I'd counter that by saying we are the only club not to sign a player yet in League one.

Huddersfield have done well, The good players likely to come to league one are either coming for money or to see out a nice final pay deal. Other than that I'd personally say bang average, which more than often doesn't get you anywhere.

We're clearly not pushing the boat out and paying top dollar, and those looking for a good steady last contract are not going to work with a headcase like Tan.

It's a worry, and I think a big one. BBM brought in to work with kids, and I think that's what we will start August with.

Great if kids are absolutely gems, but I can pick one maybe two, three at max.

It's the same every window though Ned and people say it's early yet every time. Same old shit from the club spin promotion talk like we are fools with this squad we would be a mid table side if that in my opinion. Although some think we are winning the league the same ones who said we was going up last year I suspect.

Yes to the prem with riza

Well we got another coach now so maybe we will he heading there in two seasons

It's the same every window though Ned and people say it's early yet every time. Same old shit from the club spin promotion talk like we are fools with this squad we would be a mid table side if that in my opinion. Although some think we are winning the league the same ones who said we was going up last year I suspect.

Yes to the prem with riza

Waiting for someone to bring that up so thank you.

I was wildly wrong on that and I have said so. Sadly those who are wrong about our new manager (because he will do well) won't have the bollocks to admit they were wrong.

Also on that particular post, I said Riza needed his own coaches. They didn't give him that but they have given BBM that, which is partly why I'm confident.

As I've stated at this moment in time meaning today Friday 4th July I've seen nothing to think we are going for promotion this new season we have no signings no rumours of signings so I'm guessing will be youth players from other clubs sorry but replacing odowda with a kid doesn't give me confidence

You cab call me negative to fit your agenda but I don't bow down to a new coach who seems his only experience is relegation with Rochdale yes he was coach at man City of the youth team sorry don't see any difference with riza actually riza took Leyton orient down and bbm did the same with Rochdale wish I could be positive for some of you but been here before not once many times as a city supporter so I will speak out as I see it and might be negative but realist I hope the season happens as we all wish promotion but at this min in time I don't see it

The difference between bbm and riza is night and day to anyone whos bothered to do a bit of research

I understand peoples concerns that we haven't signed anyone yet and that we lack experience but maybe tan closing the purse strings is the price we have to pay to get rid of the clown

He's not gonna spend if a sale is close so I keep telling myself that lack of investment means we're closer to the end of the tyrants reign or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part

It is worrying that we haven’t signed anyone.

Yes there maybe time, but relegated teams usually go big and try and get out of the league, by signing decent players.

I can just see us panic buying late on as usual.

It's the same every window though Ned and people say it's early yet every time. Same old shit from the club spin promotion talk like we are fools with this squad we would be a mid table side if that in my opinion. Although some think we are winning the league the same ones who said we was going up last year I suspect.

Yes to the prem with riza

Waiting for someone to bring that up so thank you.

I was wildly wrong on that and I have said so. Sadly those who are wrong about our new manager (because he will do well) won't have the bollocks to admit they were wrong.

Also on that particular post, I said Riza needed his own coaches. They didn't give him that but they have given BBM that, which is partly why I'm confident.

I will hold my hands up if we get promoted this season, but I am certainly not going to state we are going to be promoted with a team of kids and a manager with no scalps under his belt and only seems to want kids.
Ralls was shot so was Ramsey but riminota was let go and had man of the match a few times last season and I would have though we need a few experienced old heads in the squad.
Granted willock can go, not because he is older but because he is not interested to be here
I will await murphys first senior loan signing to join cardiff as you have said he will bring a mixture of young and old .

Everybody knows ralls o'dowda ramsey riminota where quality players injured and past it yes, but what some of us are trying to explain is we need that sort of quality having kids coming in from other academy's is not going to cut it,
granted we could unearth a gem but in division 3 we need some old heads experienced players on loan for a season to help the younger ones along I am happy with youngsters but not a squad of kids and for the record I think Robertson will leave for a Championship club.

The point is the window doesn't shut today.

So it doesn't really matter what our squad is like now, what matters is how it looks at the end of August.

But one important player has left, that's it.

The season starts at the start of august yout happy to wait till 4/5 games in end of August for murphy to get his squad together ffs.

Everybody knows ralls o'dowda ramsey riminota where quality players injured and past it yes, but what some of us are trying to explain is we need that sort of quality having kids coming in from other academy's is not going to cut it,
granted we could unearth a gem but in division 3 we need some old heads experienced players on loan for a season to help the younger ones along I am happy with youngsters but not a squad of kids and for the record I think Robertson will leave for a Championship club.

The point is the window doesn't shut today.

So it doesn't really matter what our squad is like now, what matters is how it looks at the end of August.

But one important player has left, that's it.

The season starts at the start of august yout happy to wait till 4/5 games in end of August for murphy to get his squad together ffs.

Who said we'll wait until mid Aug to sighn players? Yes only team not sighned anyone but who have other teams sighned plymouth sighned theirs without manager in place hope he likes the players! Lots of youngsters sighned by clubs ... players will become available as window progresses and clubs refresh their squads.. of which we still have more than need at moment plus bbm as changed direction club is going so needs time to get in players he wants ...we have this every season and generally we get who we need and mostly useful players except forwards but at moment don't need one so no need to sighn a striker.... just have to trust bbm knows what he wants and gets backed to do it.

I'm not too worried we haven't made any signings yet and I don't think we've lost any players (other than O'Dowda) who would make our best 11 on paper.

My worry is we've lost the main players that I would call our battlers...the guys that dish out the hard tackles and get the crowd roaring: Ralls, Rhino, O'Dowda and possibly Goutas.

I fear we are left with a team of pussy's. On paper they are the best quality wise but you need more than that. Do we think we are gonna walk this league on quality alone? This could be where BBM's inexperience might show having only really worked with youngsters.

He still has time to address this though.

Lets be clear, nobody in this echo chamber is pro Tan..... Being positive from the football side is not pro Tan.

Lets see what we lost:

Massive Impact
CO'D - injury prone but fully committed with championship class
Dimitrios Goutas- Championship Class when partnered with a leader
Rinomhota - Championship-level athlete


Little impact - Father Time caught up
Aaron Ramsey
Joe Ralls
Anwar El Ghazi

No Impact - Never played
Jamilu Collins
Raheem Conte
Kieron Evans
Roko Simic
Michael Reindorf

So in reality, we have lost a championship centre half but the way we are talking up Lawlor makes me think it may be OK.
We have lost 2 championship level athletes in CO'D & Rinomhota, both didn't nail down a position as the were not fullbacks. But again the talking up of Joel Colwill mean Rinomhotas loss may be cancelled out.

So in essence, we need a championship-level winger.

Everybody knows ralls o'dowda ramsey riminota where quality players injured and past it yes, but what some of us are trying to explain is we need that sort of quality having kids coming in from other academy's is not going to cut it,
granted we could unearth a gem but in division 3 we need some old heads experienced players on loan for a season to help the younger ones along I am happy with youngsters but not a squad of kids and for the record I think Robertson will leave for a Championship club.

The point is the window doesn't shut today.

So it doesn't really matter what our squad is like now, what matters is how it looks at the end of August.

But one important player has left, that's it.

The season starts at the start of august yout happy to wait till 4/5 games in end of August for murphy to get his squad together ffs.

Who said we'll wait until mid Aug to sighn players? Yes only team not sighned anyone but who have other teams sighned plymouth sighned theirs without manager in place hope he likes the players! Lots of youngsters sighned by clubs ... players will become available as window progresses and clubs refresh their squads.. of which we still have more than need at moment plus bbm as changed direction club is going so needs time to get in players he wants ...we have this every season and generally we get who we need and mostly useful players except forwards but at moment don't need one so no need to sighn a striker.... just have to trust bbm knows what he wants and gets backed to do it.

"Spec savers for you"

Or are you telling me Worcester did not mean ,wait till the end of August to see what squad we have .