Are any of us optimistic this campaign?

Those who think we will win the league, well, I hope we win the league!

But this group of players and the previous have allowed negativity, lack of fight and a losing mentality take a grip. Add to that falling way way short of standards and potential. It’s spread to the terraces, and I’m hearing from various employees it’s in all four corners of the Vale and CCS. It is felt. It’s a travesty we finished bottom, it’s on Tan. And what does he do? Repeat the same pattern and not face up to a proper review like should have been done two seasons ago, and employ another guy with minimal and questionable experience where there will be another aspect of learning on the job. Just like the last 3 managers.

If you don’t change, nothing changes.

So good on those posters trying to inject optimism into this thread, it’s yet another clean slate, and I will be vocal passionate and right behind players and boss. But I predict a tough season to get into the play offs, and possibly mid table is where I see us if things don’t change. Tan does not change. He’s had so many opportunities to, if he had he would most likely be not having to pump so much of his cash into the club.

But, win the league? Would love that!

I'll of course be behind BBM and the squad but I'm a little underwhelmed and also still gutted we are in the unacceptable position of now being a L1 club with yet another mountain to climb in order to get to another mountain to climb.

The Bale news was the most optimistic thing for me for many seasons and if a deal can be done, it may well be the best opportunity that we have had in our history.

If BBM can get best out of the players here and we can get a couple more additions I think we’ll be right up there. This squad underperformed last season. It’s really hard to judge though until we know what our team is after the transfer window. I do think we’ll be closer to the top than bottom though. Just hope we play decent football

I was optimistic last season at start after losing first 7 games it soon disappeared and riza appointment obviously didn't improve anything the football was dire so he we are another novice manager that may work may not only time will tell 15 games mind you if he loses the first 7 ill be on his case don't worry about that

I want to be positive, but I just don’t see what all the fuss is about the new manager. There’s no investment in new players, and it sounds like we will depend on the youth. I think we will struggle for the first half of the season and BBM will be gone, hopefully along with the board. I hope I’m wrong, but nothing has really changed other than another inexperienced manager. I will support regardless.

I can't be optimistic at this stage as we have not yet been able to improve the squad.
Of course, some players have gone with a few to follow in their footsteps.
Therefore, as a result, we can expect new recruitment.
But until we get to see the new players, the existing squad are nowhere near good enough, or they wouldn't have finished bottom of the Championship last season.

The question needs to be asked at the close of the transfer window!

Very optimistic.

But the truth is we know little until the season gets going.

I do think this could turn out to be a brilliant managerial appointment.

I’m optimistic.

He has already told the club to change the transfer plan, and seems to favour a young, energetic team.

Some say he is inexperienced - fine, but so have the last 3 managers to win League One.

Let’s see how the transfer window goes and judge him after he’s had time.

I'm not optimistic as I don't think we will achieve promotion straight away with this manager. I think we will suffer defeats against teams who will be too experienced and streetwise for us.

On occasions, I'm hoping we will play some attractive, exciting football and win games, but we won't be able to do this frequently and consistently enough, as we have a young team and an inexperienced manager who will be learning along the way.

We desperately need to add some experienced, battle hardened leaders to our squad, otherwise our young team are going to lack the mentoring and direction to succeed.

I always put a fiver on us to be promoted and will do again, so i am an optimist.

I think this sqaud will look a lot different on September 1st.

I think the senior pros let this club down, so I am not shedding tears for their departures. CO'D is the only one who can hold his head high. Rambo and Ralls on differing scales bodies let them down. As everyone knows, keeping Salech is imperative.

I am a football fan of a minor provincial football team who has a full time job and family. I don't know much outside our little bubble, so never heard of BBM. Like the opinionated, ignorant prat i can be, i dismissed him out of hand four or five weeks ago. Upon a little research, i am more than happy.

He is 46, played at this level, managed at this level for 3 years then got schooled at the ultimate footballing education centre. Yes, Rochdale were relegated, but they are a L2/conference club, in their entire history, they have only spent 17 seasons in L1 and thats the highest they have been.

I am not worried about the head coach. I also think he'll get the players he wants. Keeping Ralls would be the easy decision, he took the brutal decision.

I think its a revolution not evolution. I think it will be rocky start then motor as the dark nights hit.

I am betting on promotion after the window closes, as I think we'll be mid-table at that point.

Promoted top 2.

How does the song go ???? We're going to win league and know you're believe us sorry to be so positive BLUEBIRDS

How does the song go ???? We're going to win league and now you're going to believe us sorry for being so positive BLUEBIRDS

I'll of course be behind BBM and the squad but I'm a little underwhelmed and also still gutted we are in the unacceptable position of now being a L1 club with yet another mountain to climb in order to get to another mountain to climb.

The Bale news was the most optimistic thing for me for many seasons and if a deal can be done, it may well be the best opportunity that we have had in our history.

It's not sounding good yet is it no feel good factor 11 players gone nothing in it all sounds familiar but must not be negative in anyway the manager does not come with "great" credentials end of,
but in league 1 what can we exspect we are in bargain basement with everything until tan leaves.

Take it as it comes to be honest, same players so not expecting anything diffrent

Simple YES BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBIRDS

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit.

But I guess that doesn't fit the agenda some on here have.

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit. e.

Means nothing that Ned ffs. Birmingham had investment pumped in while we are getting f**k all. In fact we are losing if anything, we are free fall and we need stability.

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit. e.

Means nothing that Ned ffs. Birmingham had investment pumped in while we are getting f**k all. In fact we are losing if anything, we are free fall and we need stability.

None of the players who left would be first team starters.

As has been said on here, players were due to come in but the new manager wants his own players so that's why there's a delay.

Bit early to be worrying about that though, it's not even July yet FFS.

We don’t seem to do half measures lately, so it’ll either be a success or another disaster.

Every season I convince myself we’re finally going to click and do well, so thats the boat I’m currently in. Finish top of the league

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit. e.

Means nothing that Ned ffs. Birmingham had investment pumped in while we are getting f**k all. In fact we are losing if anything, we are free fall and we need stability.

None of the players who left would be first team starters.

As has been said on here, players were due to come in but the new manager wants his own players so that's why there's a delay.

Bit early to be worrying about that though, it's not even July yet FFS.

We have left it late for the last few season and it looks like we are going to leave it late again. We should have had the manager a lot earlier but we left that late again. We should have had new players in now like our competitors have.

We just have not learnt have we?

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit. e.

Means nothing that Ned ffs. Birmingham had investment pumped in while we are getting f**k all. In fact we are losing if anything, we are free fall and we need stability.

None of the players who left would be first team starters.

As has been said on here, players were due to come in but the new manager wants his own players so that's why there's a delay.

Bit early to be worrying about that though, it's not even July yet FFS.

We have left it late for the last few season and it looks like we are going to leave it late again. We should have had the manager a lot earlier but we left that late again. We should have had new players in now like our competitors have.

We just have not learnt have we?

Talking of our competitors, I see Plymouth and Luton have both lost their best striker. That doesn't get much coverage on here.

I would rather the manager chooses the type of players he signs than the club. That is the mistake we've been making for years, until now.

I always expected bbm to trim the squad before adding to it

All the talk has been that bbm wants to go with a smaller squad so makes sense to move players out and then see where players need to be added

Wouldn't be surprised to see us go in for o'connell at Wrexham when his contract ends in 2 days, he's been bbm,s captain before and is the experienced center back I believe we need

I also think we will add a couple of young fast wingers and a back up striker to salech

Always optimistic, me; and as a Bluebird supporter, I will remain so!

As for the negatives on here, I recall many of you claiming Erol Bulut’s squad was ‘better than the one the season before’ but that’s not how it turned out, is it?

Keep the faith; until we have something to be negative about!

Always optimistic, me; and as a Bluebird supporter, I will remain so!

As for the negatives on here, I recall many of you claiming Erol Bulut’s squad was ‘better than the one the season before’ but that’s not how it turned out, is it?

Keep the faith; until we have something to be negative about!

We are in L1 for the first time in 22 years.

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit. e.

Means nothing that Ned ffs. Birmingham had investment pumped in while we are getting f**k all. In fact we are losing if anything, we are free fall and we need stability.

None of the players who left would be first team starters.

As has been said on here, players were due to come in but the new manager wants his own players so that's why there's a delay.

Bit early to be worrying about that though, it's not even July yet FFS.

We have left it late for the last few season and it looks like we are going to leave it late again. We should have had the manager a lot earlier but we left that late again. We should have had new players in now like our competitors have.

We just have not learnt have we?

Talking of our competitors, I see Plymouth and Luton have both lost their best striker. That doesn't get much coverage on here.

I would rather the manager chooses the type of players he signs than the club. That is the mistake we've been making for years, until now.

Plymouth have brought in an experienced manager.

No not at all atm.

We have gone for some untested coach and no sign of anyone coming in after dumping a load of the squad.

I’m reading some of you getting excited because you think we are going to have a high pressing team. Any sign of that happening atm?

Well we haven't seen any friendlies so we don't know

I'll say it again, the last three League One winning managers were in their first job. Proves that experience doesn't mean jack shit. e.

Means nothing that Ned ffs. Birmingham had investment pumped in while we are getting f**k all. In fact we are losing if anything, we are free fall and we need stability.

None of the players who left would be first team starters.

As has been said on here, players were due to come in but the new manager wants his own players so that's why there's a delay.

Bit early to be worrying about that though, it's not even July yet FFS.

We have left it late for the last few season and it looks like we are going to leave it late again. We should have had the manager a lot earlier but we left that late again. We should have had new players in now like our competitors have.

We just have not learnt have we?

Talking of our competitors, I see Plymouth and Luton have both lost their best striker. That doesn't get much coverage on here.

I would rather the manager chooses the type of players he signs than the club. That is the mistake we've been making for years, until now.

Plymouth have brought in an experienced manager.

An my point still stands - Birmingham, Oxford and Plymouth all won the league with an inexperienced manager. Birmingham might have spent a lot but the other two didn't.

I'm actually pleased with our manager. Much better than a short termism appointment that we've had for years. And actually has a way of playing, giving us an identity that we've massively lacked.

But according to some supporting the manager must mean I support Tan

Always optimistic, me; and as a Bluebird supporter, I will remain so!

As for the negatives on here, I recall many of you claiming Erol Bulut’s squad was ‘better than the one the season before’, but that’s not how it turned out, is it?

Keep the faith; until we have something to be negative about!

We are in L1 for the first time in 22 years.

Yes, indeed we are, but at what point do we accept it as a fact and move on?

I’m certainly not happy about it and I blame one individual for our plight over several seasons, not just the last one. However, like Ned, I feel we may have unearthed a gem in our latest appointment, so long as he’s allowed to plot his own path

As I said before, I’m ever the optimist, until fact not supposition tells me otherwise

Bloooobirds!

I think we have a great manager in the making on our hands.

But we will lose a lot of players. So depends on how we recruit this year.

Get me that 6, winger, CB etc. etc., potentially more 8’s if we lose Turnbull and Robertson.

Ideally we can get players in soon and get them playing how BBM wants them to.

I think we could start the season with some hiccups and then eventually find our form, but Tan doesn’t have a clue so likely will get shot of people sooner than he should.

I really hope he is for the sake of our club.

Strange No one else has wanted him??

Personally 12 games in the league / 6 Friendlies / 3 Cup games and by then we will know if we are going in the right direction.

We should be Top 4 with this current squad.

While tan is here I hold zero optimism. If the they sell selach I not going to one game .In 46 years ive watched some awful football in the 70s and 80s but we all loved it we had no money no club shop ground was falling apart but we loved it .
Tan has stripped me of the enjoyment factor he's an idiot .
If he sell selach the striker we been looking for for years and a player that can get us the goals to get out of this league then I can't see me going back down.
So am I optimistic NO not at all .Again we employ another inexperienced manager he just doesn't learn does he .Twice he had the chance to employ experienced managers he got riza and now Murphy in.
It's gamble after gamble and it's evident he has no money to put in and he blames everyone else for his total mismanagement of his own money .His money his decisions but it's everyone else's fault.
If had an absolute tit full of the bumbling idiot at our club .
I hope we win the league but it's all hit and hope again with a circus monkey in charge .So how anyone can be optimistic is beyond me and anyone thinking we can walk the league your nuts it's harder than you think it is .Good luck to city as for tan sell it to bale and get lost