Meeting of the Tan Out group with Dalman and Choo

Tan said he would make us debt free and if we wanted him gone he would leave us in good shape. How does he intend doing that?

Excellent question and one we all want to know the answer to......... and when?

Tan said he would make us debt free and if we wanted him gone he would leave us in good shape. How does he intend doing that?

Well 90% of clubs debt is his so when he leaves it goes with him.... that leaves dalmans debt to sort out... we live in hope he will be gone soon!

Allan,

£32mill is owed to Dalman and £10mill to a Compony, both at interest , We were told this would not happen??

It's a problem Annis while one debt is covered "tans" 40m is a lot for any potential buyer to pay on top of tans asking price? you can see where tans demands are coming from but that's no consolation to us fans who want him gone ... selling a club is not quick or easy but tan as made it very difficult to say the least..... be glad when sorry saga is over.

All valid points.

We want to make sure that all points raised and questions answered are 1. ACCURATELY documented 2. Released for approval QUICKLY 3. Allowed to be SHARED amongst all rank and file supporters.

There is plenty of time to discuss and I hold my thoughts very lightly. It's certainly not my way or the highway.

That is very, very solid of you pal.

I think the minutes of FAB meetings having to be checked is over egged massively. It’s standard practice to have minutes checked by both parties before they are promulgated. It’s not weakness to have minutes checked.

Now if something is removed that was part of the meeting after said minutes are shown then that can be dodgy. However it could have been stated “this is not for the minutes” or “this is off the record.”

However that has to be stated.

Should ask for the meeting to be recorded and receive a copy of the recording.

Therefore the rest of fans can listen to the recording and it can't be altered.

Gents, you are not going to get much on the record, it doesn't work like that.

I think last week was a bit like Brexit, we all have different reasons why we voted stay or leave. I am unhappy at the direction of the club, i doubt many are not. But what is your elevator pitch for this constituent you represent?

Tan is not going unless his valuation is met, then what?

So what do you want? Have you sorted this out, because i wouldn't know what i would want?

Man U and Spurs have DoF's and they are shockingly run, even though we need one person to represent the football club, its isn't the silver bullet.

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

It is madness Annis this would mean an investment of £250m+ for anyone buying the club? While most debt is his he wants it back and that is simply not going to happen..... as I said selling a club is not an easy thing for buyers but tan is making it near impossible which is not good for the club...

Get it on the central club with live phone in ?

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

Not doubting you are right Annis.

But it would be good to hear what the board say in relation to that question.

No doubt a line will be spun and we will be given false information. But still a good idea to put them on the edge and ask them straight up.

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

Not doubting you are right Annis.

But it would be good to hear what the board say in relation to that question.

No doubt a line will be spun and we will be given false information. But still a good idea to put them on the edge and ask them straight up.

But other than spin what would you expect to hear? Most of these types of talks, even exploratory are sealed up in NDA's.

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

Not doubting you are right Annis.

But it would be good to hear what the board say in relation to that question.

No doubt a line will be spun and we will be given false information. But still a good idea to put them on the edge and ask them straight up.

But other than spin what would you expect to hear? Most of these types of talks, even exploratory are sealed up in NDA's.

I would expect the truth.

NDAs are in place for confidential information such as who the bid is from.

It doesn’t stop Tan or the board admitting that a bid has been put in for the club for a figure in the region of a certain amount.

So I would expect them to be telling the truth.

I.e ‘We received a bid of x amount. We have declined those bids as the terms of x, x and x weren’t met, but if one was to come in, we would sell.’

Do we have any serious bids to takeover the club?? If so, how far away are they with their offer to what price Tan actually wants??

We’ve had £100 Mill, £60 Mill and a £50 Mill

They are ALL still hovering about.

Tan Says nothing less than £200 Mill MADNESS

Not doubting you are right Annis.

But it would be good to hear what the board say in relation to that question.

No doubt a line will be spun and we will be given false information. But still a good idea to put them on the edge and ask them straight up.

But other than spin what would you expect to hear? Most of these types of talks, even exploratory are sealed up in NDA's.

I would expect the truth.

NDAs are in place for confidential information such as who the bid is from.

It doesn’t stop Tan or the board admitting that a bid has been put in for the club for a figure in the region of a certain amount.

So I would expect them to be telling the truth.

I.e ‘We received a bid of x amount. We have declined those bids as the terms of x, x and x weren’t met, but if one was to come in, we would sell.’

But we are fans not shareholders. I don't give a rats arse who our owner is. I care about the investment plans and strategy. To me it looks like we are buying U25 year olds, and only taking bosmans for older players and loan far less. Other than that I am not sure what a lot expect.

The trust feels they could run the club better and expect a board seat. The remit of the FBA is so unclear it could be anything, but to me its a works council, looking at smaller things like who supplies rhe beer and pies

Jonny, here is what I really want to know:

What happened from when we first had Tan and the rest of the board, to the last few seasons?

We have the same board, but the efforts are completely changed!

Early, we signed good players, that fit the team, challenged promotion, got promoted - twice…

Now we have been in a very dangerous relegation battle - twice…

It’s the same club, same hierarchy. They’re definitely capable of success, so why is it so bad lately?

Jonny, here is what I really want to know:

What happened from when we first had Tan and the rest of the board, to the last few seasons?

We have the same board, but the efforts are completely changed!

Early, we signed good players, that fit the team, challenged promotion, got promoted - twice…

Now we have been in a very dangerous relegation battle - twice…

It’s the same club, same hierarchy. They’re definitely capable of success, so why is it so bad lately?

Those signings were mostly over priced (wages if not transfer fees) with little sell on value. That contributed to the debt when we didn’t stay up both times and now due to new financial rules we can’t spend like that anymore.

The problem with Tan spending money is, I think like he feels like he’s been burnt by all the money wasted by listening to people who haven’t got a clue, signing players who don’t fit the club, giving them stupid money, having to pay them off, you couldn’t make a story like this up if you tried, on top of that you’ve got the on going sala debacle

The problem with Tan spending money is, I think like he feels like he’s been burnt by all the money wasted by listening to people who haven’t got a clue, signing players who don’t fit the club, giving them stupid money, having to pay them off, you couldn’t make a story like this up if you tried, on top of that you’ve got the on going sala debacle

The answer to that is bring in a DoF or Sporting Director who do know what they're doing. But he outright refuses to bring one in.

So I'm not going to have sympathy with Tan for that.

I would just like to now what is tans ambition with the club is why we never see him has he lost interest if so why doesn’t he put us up for sale or is he waiting for sala business to sort itself out

Who exactly will be attending the meeting from your side as fans? Thanks

And will you show who has asked what question?, obviously due to time not all questions will get to be asked so how are you prioritising the questions, will it be based on a really relevant question or on who is asking the question?

Hi

Dan and I will be asking the questions and attending the meeting.

We will be asking the questions based on importance, relevance and popularity. You're right we won't be able to ask all the questions, but we are confident that the questions not asked by the
FAB or the Trust will be in the mix.

Who asks the question is of no relevance. The rank and file fans have a right to ask questions and we'll see what we get!

So as a number will be aware our group continues. Continues to grow, get stronger, and also will continue to work tirelessly to find new ways of telling the dictator that his time at the club is up.

We will continue to be a 'toothache' for the Dictator and his partners in crime.

We are not 'full of ourselves', not in it to promote ourselves. Neither do we have a 'look at me' attitude, and there are certainly no egos within the group.

We simply support our football team, and are looking to a new broom to not only turn our club fortunes around but also to bring excitement, enthusiasm and passion back to the supporters after years of having this knocked out of us.

Now, we have the ear of Dalman and Choo. We are not the FAB or the Trust. We have been asked to a meeting where we will not be afraid to ask the difficult questions, and challenge where we see and hear answers that are intended to either confuse us, put us down or tell us everything is OK.



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We are supporters. We don't know everything, but we are not stupid. We will not be soft soaped during the meeting.

I am writing, as myself and Dan want to know what questions YOU want us to put to thise who purport to be custodians of our club.

We will only have limited time to ask questions so may not get to ask all that are requested of us.

Dan and I will look at all your questions and ask as many as we are able. Please PM me with your questions. There will be a closing time of next Friday evening to allow us time to go through all of them and prioritise.

Once the meeting has been held we will be very open with the fans as to what has been said. We will not be held over a barrel. We will demand complete honesty and openness.

Let's start to put the pressure on the Dictator.

Cardiff City fans are back.

Let's start to put the pressure on the Dictator.

Did you ever serve in the diplomatic corps?

Not sure if I've missed it it already posted, (apologies if so) when is the meeting?



Top work lads!

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

We’ve Borrowed £32 Million of Dalman at 9% interest and £10 Million of a Company at interest.

I thought we were never going to Borrow of others ?

And where are WE DEBT FREE ?

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

Mate, we also get rid of more and just bring in others, no real spending, When this debt going to be no more, any news?
Just look at how many we release , sell and get rid of so called dead wood year after year, how come keep making year after year se mistake?

What’s happened to the transfer committee?

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

We’ve Borrowed £32 Million of Dalman at 9% interest and £10 Million of a Company at interest.

I thought we were never going to Borrow of others ?

And where are WE DEBT FREE ?

Debt to Equity?

What Equity do we have to cover such a debt?

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

We’ve Borrowed £32 Million of Dalman at 9% interest and £10 Million of a Company at interest.

I thought we were never going to Borrow of others ?

And where are WE DEBT FREE ?

Debt to Equity?

What Equity do we have to cover such a debt?

Surely the debt to equity is simply tan swapping the debt club owes him into shares? Thats what Leicester owner just did last week so they wiped £125m off clubs debt....

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

We’ve Borrowed £32 Million of Dalman at 9% interest and £10 Million of a Company at interest.

I thought we were never going to Borrow of others ?

And where are WE DEBT FREE ?

Debt to Equity?

What Equity do we have to cover such a debt?

Surely the debt to equity is simply tan swapping the debt club owes him into shares? Thats what Leicester owner just did last week so they wiped £125m off clubs debt....

That will bring the price of the shares down I would think.

Will this include the £30m owed to Dalman and that 3rd party company?

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

We’ve Borrowed £32 Million of Dalman at 9% interest and £10 Million of a Company at interest.

I thought we were never going to Borrow of others ?

And where are WE DEBT FREE ?

Debt to Equity?

What Equity do we have to cover such a debt?

Surely the debt to equity is simply tan swapping the debt club owes him into shares? Thats what Leicester owner just did last week so they wiped £125m off clubs debt....

That will bring the price of the shares down I would think.

Will this include the £30m owed to Dalman and that 3rd party company?

No as what we owe Dalman is what club owes him nothing to do with tan..... mind you dalman might do same.. share price no idea if go up or down generally its a paper excersise as tan owns majority of shares anyway...

One thing I want to know is:

Tan told us we would be completely debt free including to him as he would write debt off.

Why hasn’t this happened and why are we now also paying a lot of interest to Dalman.

Technically tans written of most of debt as he's swapped debt for equity eventually you would think rest will be exchanged in same way so its his debt not clubs.. as for dalman he's put in £30m ? so that's the new buyers problem if/when they arrive.... other problem is tan asking for enough money so he can get his money back or is it to cover dalmans debt won't really find out if/when it happens

And that’s the part that is being overlooked. It’s clear there has been investment in the Club, otherwise there would be no need for debt. We’ve signed players like Robertson, Turnbull and Salech for fees, and others like Ramsey and El Ghazi. Yes they may not have all worked out but most fans were buzzing at the time and for whatever reasons sometimes it just doesn’t work out. So there has been investment, just we seem to be very good at wasting a load of money through bad decisions.

We’ve Borrowed £32 Million of Dalman at 9% interest and £10 Million of a Company at interest.

I thought we were never going to Borrow of others ?

And where are WE DEBT FREE ?

Debt to Equity?

What Equity do we have to cover such a debt?

Surely the debt to equity is simply tan swapping the debt club owes him into shares? Thats what Leicester owner just did last week so they wiped £125m off clubs debt....

That will bring the price of the shares down I would think.

Will this include the £30m owed to Dalman and that 3rd party company?

No as what we owe Dalman is what club owes him nothing to do with tan..... mind you dalman might do same.. share price no idea if go up or down generally its a paper excersise as tan owns majority of shares anyway...

More shares issued means the price per share drops, so that the overall value of the company usually remains the same just spread over a higher number of shares.