‘ Small group of supporters met Chairman Dalman ‘

AN INSURANCE CLAIM QUESTION :


The Club stated :”The CCFC staff understood from its broker that all players were insured from the moment they were signed…. and the case arises from learning that they are not”. Hmm…. SO ‘FROM THE MOMENT THEY SIGN ! My question is that the Club officially claimed that Sala was not yet legally signed as our player due to some technical requirement by the Premiere League. Are we shooting ourselves in the head ….. by claiming that Sala is insured from the moment he is signed…….only to negate that by officially saying that he has not signed yet and/or that his signature is invalid or incomplete ? To me it appears that our CEO Ken Choo and our Club Secretary have messed up big time by doing an elementary mistake relating to how Sala’s ‘signing on fee’ was to be paid . My horrific fear is that are we yet again are embarking on another court case that we are bound to lose ? Moreover and irrespective of all the above …. simple logic - as I see it - is that how can anything or anyone be insured if the insurance company has not been notified ? However , I can not really form an opinion because I do not know the details of our insurance policy nor do I know all the facts.

Finally how does Choo (and Dalman) keep getting away with committing all sorts of things ….and remain untouchables ?

I've said it before pal but I think this is why we needed the other court cases so there was no doubt at all that he was our player and the insurance can't use it to get out of any payment.
As for the insurance, with my business and type of insurance I've got i am insured on anyone's car without notifying them up to £50k and personal cars go straight onto policy. I don't have to get in touch with them. So can see it being possible with a player once signed

There is something totally not right on this insurance and the whole Sala deal.

So far we have lost every case and costs of £millions against us and a transfer embargo.

Fir nearly 13 years we seem to have court case after court case for something.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying someone hasn't massively cocked up somewhere though. And whoever it was should face the consequences.
Can't deny the fact we are always in court fighting against something, it's draining tbh

I think that the representatives of the fans should be from the Trust and the supporters groups.. they are easy to join. Anyone feeling left out just sign up and join. I am not myself a member, but feel happy for them to represent the fans.

So what did they learn or find out once again???


Please could you tell anything new? Or anything we did not know?

They don’t ask real questions.

Like you I do t think anything new was found out, except that the EFL are not backing us, no suprise there.
At this time there doesn’t seem to be anything g new to tell, waiting on Sala appeal with Swiss Court.
Do think that the channels of communication are kept open.. I wonder why SteveBorley not at these meetings?? surely him over WAYNE Nash… or is he distancing himself from it.?

Bonner, I put it on here 2 days ago that the EFL were not backing us.

The point is what was the point of the meeting ? And why no real / string questions, it was like a mates meeting.

Yes I saw you put it on here on Sat night, same day as the meeting.. don’t think anything new came out of meeting.. just good that at least they do have meetings with fans.
I for one are not going to criticise the fans that go to these meetings.. they are fans just like us and want the best for our club.
We are in a mess, probably all agree that Tan has had his time however, until these court cases are sorted we are in limbo… so let’s just concentrate on supporting the team.
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Another meeting about another meeting. A complete waste of time and I for one don't want to be represented by anyone who had anything to do with agreeing with the rebrand. It's time for them to give up their positions and get someone there who will ask proper questions.
Separate question can anyone remind me who was it running around with a Malaysian flag saying the rebrand was a price worth paying for the investment ? Are they whoever they are anything to do with these groups ?

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I feel sorry for any fan rep trying to get answers from this lot...they can't win, Whatever they do or reporrt back the Billy Big Bollox on here will slag them off. Its simple really, it says there that a bigger meeting will take place where more fans can attend, why not write in to the club and ask if you can go? Or ask the supporters groups if you can go?

Don't be afraid, you will get shit off the ones hiding behind their keyboards waiting to attack you for your efforts but Feck them .

Whoever goes will get the same answers and bullshit as the fan reps who give up their time Saturday.

Tan needs to go now, maybe if we get relegated he will sell up? He has total control and these people who meet the fans have no control at all, so either Tan attends a meeting explaining what plans are in place and why we have had 4 managers this season or he sells up, anything else is a waste of time, but slagging off fellow fans who try to get answers is not making any sense to me??????

AN INSURANCE CLAIM QUESTION :


The Club stated :”The CCFC staff understood from its broker that all players were insured from the moment they were signed…. and the case arises from learning that they are not”. Hmm…. SO ‘FROM THE MOMENT THEY SIGN ! My question is that the Club officially claimed that Sala was not yet legally signed as our player due to some technical requirement by the Premiere League. Are we shooting ourselves in the head ….. by claiming that Sala is insured from the moment he is signed…….only to negate that by officially saying that he has not signed yet and/or that his signature is invalid or incomplete ? To me it appears that our CEO Ken Choo and our Club Secretary have messed up big time by doing an elementary mistake relating to how Sala’s ‘signing on fee’ was to be paid . My horrific fear is that are we yet again are embarking on another court case that we are bound to lose ? Moreover and irrespective of all the above …. simple logic - as I see it - is that how can anything or anyone be insured if the insurance company has not been notified ? However , I can not really form an opinion because I do not know the details of our insurance policy nor do I know all the facts.

Finally how does Choo (and Dalman) keep getting away with committing all sorts of things ….and remain untouchables ?

I've said it before pal but I think this is why we needed the other court cases so there was no doubt at all that he was our player and the insurance can't use it to get out of any payment.
As for the insurance, with my business and type of insurance I've got i am insured on anyone's car without notifying them up to £50k and personal cars go straight onto policy. I don't have to get in touch with them. So can see it being possible with a player once signed

There is something totally not right on this insurance and the whole Sala deal.

So far we have lost every case and costs of £millions against us and a transfer embargo.

Fir nearly 13 years we seem to have court case after court case for something.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying someone hasn't massively cocked up somewhere though. And whoever it was should face the consequences.
Can't deny the fact we are always in court fighting against something, it's draining tbh

What I have heard and my take on it.

We never did our paper work correctly on buying Sala and getting insurance for him. Dalman & Choo??

Once again we have cocked up somewhere and it’s gone against.

Plus some serious allegations have also been made.

Can you say what allegations Annis?
Understand if you cannot.

Can you say what allegations Annis?
Understand if you cannot.

Jules,

Apparently we intended to insure Sala on the Monday morning as it was accidentally forgotten on the Friday when he signed, that was told to me years ago.

Then out the blue the BBC last month put out that someone did contact after Sala’s tragedy to try and get insurance.
The insurance were saying that City forgot to insure him.

Now some will say that players automatically get insurance, only after a medical which was done, but once all the papers on that particular player are submitted. Apparently we never.


This us why we have tried all other avenues not to pay as the insurance won’t pay up as they say we never did it properly with them.

Surely once he shut down the bluebirds and replaced them Cardiff red dragons you all should have boycotted like me and stepped back but no you put your redbird shirt on and filled the stadium against man city.

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Blimey,

That must have been a quick meeting.

Did the kettle even boil before it was over?

Did anyone get a chocolate Hobnob before the meeting was over?

Thanks Annis.

Thanks Annis.

Jules

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Watters contract ends this year hes not our player now .

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Watters contract ends this year hes not our player now .

Would that mean we could not resign new contract even if they wanted too?

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Watters contract ends this year hes not our player now .

Not true Wez.

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Watters contract ends this year hes not our player now .

Would that mean we could not resign new contract even if they wanted too?

The Regime fucked up once again.






Cardiff City Football Club are delighted to announce the signing of forward Max Watters. The 21-year-old joins from Crawley Town and has signed a contract with the Bluebirds until the summer of 2024.

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Watters contract ends this year hes not our player now .

Would that mean we could not resign new contract even if they wanted too?

The Regime fucked up once again.






Cardiff City Football Club are delighted to announce the signing of forward Max Watters. The 21-year-old joins from Crawley Town and has signed a contract with the Bluebirds until the summer of 2024.

We may need him in League 1!

Absolutely a waste of time.
The situation has not changed since the last meeting.
Tan still has the final say and is far away from this club
Memet and Choo only let's Tan knows what's happening in terms of finances
But that's it really

The bigger changes will happen if we go to league 1.

I very rarely criticise our club, because it's MY club, and it is THE club for many other thousands of die hard City fans. If I criticise my club it feels akin to chastising one of my own children, and that hurts, but is also necessary on occasions.

At least when it comes to my children, they have a father and mother figure to guide, persuade, disuade at times, but try and point them in a direction where they can thrive.

When it comes to MY club, I see none of this. All I can see is a bunch of raggle taggle gypsys, with no knowledge of how to play a fiddle, trying to get a tune out of something they just do not understand!!!

I am the eternal optimist, but I fear the worst, whilst this Owner & Executive Board (who apperently don't make decisions anyway!) are running this show. Normally, shows are suppossed to excite, ignite and bring joy. This, IMHO, is a shower of shit, the show has run it's course, the audience (sorry I meant CUSTOMERS) have seen enough and I would be grateful if they would exit stage left so we can start again.

Another waste of time meeting, Nothing new and usual faces.

Just some points of clarification Annis in case anyone gets the wrong feedback from the meeting. Despite being limited by the club to invites to a small number of fans and at very short notice there were some positives to take from it

1. Someone in this thread said that representatives of away travel groups should be present at such meetings. In fact two independent travel group people were there as well as the Supporters Club who of course taken a lot of fans to away games.

2. I raised the point of such meetings being extended to a far greater number and types of fans , including those who are consistently critical of the owner and directors, as I have in the past. This time, with the support for the Trust from the Supporters Club reps. the Chairman agreed with this idea and asked those fans present to organise such an event (I suspect the club itself wouldn`t want to be seen to organise it as it is unlikely to be well received by owner Vincent Tan who doesn`t like fans).The Trust will start on this ASAP with the Supporters Club and have been promised support from Amy James at the club as to time and venue.

3. Following the first "fans parliament" type meeting with a wider group of fans , the intention is to hold further such meetings on a regular basis pending the legal requirement for the club to hold them (see below)

4. Many fans and all Trust members, are aware that I have been quite heavily involved in progress with the Fans Led Review of Football (see Trust website if you want to read the details of the reports). This will mean that clubs will be obliged by law to make some major changes including having a shadow board of directors made up entirely of independent fans elected by the fans (the club will have no say on its make up). The club will be obliged to discuss all major issues impacting on the club with fans and report back on those meetings to fans (the Trust already always reports back on meetings to its members).

5. The Government White Paper on this change of legislation is now due out next week and I will doing a commentary on it to Trust members as soon after I see it as practicable.

Problem is if we do stay up, how many loans go end of season Kipre, Philogene, Kaba. We are still left with the squad we have with potentially Watters coming back and the same owners and board feeding the same stories to us with no action intransfer market apart from journeymen on frees and loans, surely if it doesnt happen this season it will next season?

Watters contract ends this year hes not our player now .

Not true Wez.

His contract is up in the summer ,

We need a big protest to get these muppets out of our club asap

I'm no fan of Dalman and don't believe a word he says, but it's clear him and Tan have no working relationship anymore.

Agree with others, there should be more representatives from the fan base at these meetings. It's always the same small group of people asking the same questions and getting the same answers. I am aware that the Government are set to publish their white paper shortly and hopefully that will see things changing.

That, together with a local press that do whatever the club want them to do, is part of the problem.

I'm no fan of Dalman and don't believe a word he says, but it's clear him and Tan have no working relationship anymore.

Agree with others, there should be more representatives from the fan base at these meetings. It's always the same small group of people asking the same questions and getting the same answers. I am aware that the Government are set to publish their white paper shortly and hopefully that will see things changing.

That, together with a local press that do whatever the club want them to do, is part of the problem.

Ned

I answered some of these points earlier in this thread , but just to clarify

1. the invite list to these meetings has traditionally been based on the Supporters Trust, the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Association representatives as these are people who have been voted in by fans to represent their views, Of course they don`t represent every fan`s views as not everyone belongs to those groups (but a couple of thousand fans do).

2. the last couple of meetings have also included independent travel reps who are not necessarily members of the elected fans`groups to give (slightly) wider range of views.

3. despite unfounded claims to the contrary , the meetings are not tame and uncritical of the club`s directors. I can only speak for the Trust board when I say that we are not scared to ask awkward questions of the CCFC directors, have done so in the past, and will continue to do so. Those who say differently are either being misinformed or appear to have some alternative agenda.

4. You mention the Government White Paper. I have been heavily involved in this since the first Fans Led Review document was created in November 2021. I have reported on developments as they have occurred on the Trust website and by email to its individual members. The White Paper was due to be published on 8 February but has been delayed slightly and is now expected to be issued in the week beginning 20 February. I will do an update when it is published through the same channels , but don`t expect the final version to vary materially from the recommendations already reported on as it has received the full support of many politicians up to and including Prime Minister level and across all the major political parties.

5. As I mention earlier in this thread the new legislation will compel all EFL clubs to have a Fans Advisory Board which it will have to consult with regularly to discuss all important issues impacting on fans. The idea of meetings with a wider fanbase raised at the meeting on Saturday was to have meetings along these lines ahead of the legislation coming into full force, which is likely to be for the start of the 2024/25 season

Keith

I'm no fan of Dalman and don't believe a word he says, but it's clear him and Tan have no working relationship anymore.

Agree with others, there should be more representatives from the fan base at these meetings. It's always the same small group of people asking the same questions and getting the same answers. I am aware that the Government are set to publish their white paper shortly and hopefully that will see things changing.

That, together with a local press that do whatever the club want them to do, is part of the problem.

Ned

I answered some of these points earlier in this thread , but just to clarify

1. the invite list to these meetings has traditionally been based on the Supporters Trust, the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Association representatives as these are people who have been voted in by fans to represent their views, Of course they don`t represent every fan`s views as not everyone belongs to those groups (but a couple of thousand fans do).

2. the last couple of meetings have also included independent travel reps who are not necessarily members of the elected fans`groups to give (slightly) wider range of views.

3. despite unfounded claims to the contrary , the meetings are not tame and uncritical of the club`s directors. I can only speak for the Trust board when I say that we are not scared to ask awkward questions of the CCFC directors, have done so in the past, and will continue to do so. Those who say differently are either being misinformed or appear to have some alternative agenda.

4. You mention the Government White Paper. I have been heavily involved in this since the first Fans Led Review document was created in November 2021. I have reported on developments as they have occurred on the Trust website and by email to its individual members. The White Paper was due to be published on 8 February but has been delayed slightly and is now expected to be issued in the week beginning 20 February. I will do an update when it is published through the same channels , but don`t expect the final version to vary materially from the recommendations already reported on as it has received the full support of many politicians up to and including Prime Minister level and across all the major political parties.

5. As I mention earlier in this thread the new legislation will compel all EFL clubs to have a Fans Advisory Board which it will have to consult with regularly to discuss all important issues impacting on fans. The idea of meetings with a wider fanbase raised at the meeting on Saturday was to have meetings along these lines ahead of the legislation coming into full force, which is likely to be for the start of the 2024/25 season

Keith

So where are the minutes Keith of these questions??

I sent you some a while back, none were asked.


I would like to see all these questions and answers that you ask the Board please??

My string view, what a load of crap these meetings have been and what you put out is exactly what we all knew before you had the so called meetings and that’s a fact.

If you read Fb, 99% of fans are fed of these best friends meetings.

I'm no fan of Dalman and don't believe a word he says, but it's clear him and Tan have no working relationship anymore.

Agree with others, there should be more representatives from the fan base at these meetings. It's always the same small group of people asking the same questions and getting the same answers. I am aware that the Government are set to publish their white paper shortly and hopefully that will see things changing.

That, together with a local press that do whatever the club want them to do, is part of the problem.

Ned

I answered some of these points earlier in this thread , but just to clarify

1. the invite list to these meetings has traditionally been based on the Supporters Trust, the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Association representatives as these are people who have been voted in by fans to represent their views, Of course they don`t represent every fan`s views as not everyone belongs to those groups (but a couple of thousand fans do).

2. the last couple of meetings have also included independent travel reps who are not necessarily members of the elected fans`groups to give (slightly) wider range of views.

3. despite unfounded claims to the contrary , the meetings are not tame and uncritical of the club`s directors. I can only speak for the Trust board when I say that we are not scared to ask awkward questions of the CCFC directors, have done so in the past, and will continue to do so. Those who say differently are either being misinformed or appear to have some alternative agenda.

4. You mention the Government White Paper. I have been heavily involved in this since the first Fans Led Review document was created in November 2021. I have reported on developments as they have occurred on the Trust website and by email to its individual members. The White Paper was due to be published on 8 February but has been delayed slightly and is now expected to be issued in the week beginning 20 February. I will do an update when it is published through the same channels , but don`t expect the final version to vary materially from the recommendations already reported on as it has received the full support of many politicians up to and including Prime Minister level and across all the major political parties.

5. As I mention earlier in this thread the new legislation will compel all EFL clubs to have a Fans Advisory Board which it will have to consult with regularly to discuss all important issues impacting on fans. The idea of meetings with a wider fanbase raised at the meeting on Saturday was to have meetings along these lines ahead of the legislation coming into full force, which is likely to be for the start of the 2024/25 season

Keith

So where are the minutes Keith of these questions??

I sent you some a while back, none were asked.


I would like to see all these questions and answers that you ask the Board please??

My string view, what a load of crap these meetings have been and what you put out is exactly what we all knew before you had the so called meetings and that’s a fact.

If you read Fb, 99% of fans are fed of these best friends meetings.

Annis.

At these meetings I represent Trust members and the notes on all the meetings are sent out to Trust members by email and appear on the Trust website. I ask any questions that Trust members ask me to and report back on answers given.

The meetings are limited in their scope and are often called at very short notice. It is for this reason , as I have clearly stated on here, that the Trust, the Supporters Club and the DSA pressed Mehmet Dalman on Saturday to have meetings involving a far wider fanbase . They will be organised shortly by those groups and the club directors have committed to attending and answering all questions raised.

There will obviously need to be a limit on the number who can attend the meetings due to venue restrictions/availability but it is likely that invitations can be advertised to season ticket holders who can then apply to attend on a "first come first served" basis. I am sure that you will be given every opportunity to attend , in person if you can make it or otherwise via an online link so you can put your views across.

Keith

Another waste of time meeting, Nothing new and usual faces.

Just some points of clarification Annis in case anyone gets the wrong feedback from the meeting. Despite being limited by the club to invites to a small number of fans and at very short notice there were some positives to take from it

1. Someone in this thread said that representatives of away travel groups should be present at such meetings. In fact two independent travel group people were there as well as the Supporters Club who of course taken a lot of fans to away games.

2. I raised the point of such meetings being extended to a far greater number and types of fans , including those who are consistently critical of the owner and directors, as I have in the past. This time, with the support for the Trust from the Supporters Club reps. the Chairman agreed with this idea and asked those fans present to organise such an event (I suspect the club itself wouldn`t want to be seen to organise it as it is unlikely to be well received by owner Vincent Tan who doesn`t like fans).The Trust will start on this ASAP with the Supporters Club and have been promised support from Amy James at the club as to time and venue.

3. Following the first "fans parliament" type meeting with a wider group of fans , the intention is to hold further such meetings on a regular basis pending the legal requirement for the club to hold them (see below)

4. Many fans and all Trust members, are aware that I have been quite heavily involved in progress with the Fans Led Review of Football (see Trust website if you want to read the details of the reports). This will mean that clubs will be obliged by law to make some major changes including having a shadow board of directors made up entirely of independent fans elected by the fans (the club will have no say on its make up). The club will be obliged to discuss all major issues impacting on the club with fans and report back on those meetings to fans (the Trust already always reports back on meetings to its members).

5. The Government White Paper on this change of legislation is now due out next week and I will doing a commentary on it to Trust members as soon after I see it as practicable.

It was me who suggested the wider fan groups should attend.

I appreciate that the supporters club are an away travel group and do a great job, but the point I am trying to make is that they are only representative of certain supporter demographics.

For example, how many supporters say, from the canton stand, travel with the supporters club?

I seem to remember there have been meetings in the past with wider representation. I may even be thinking as fsr back as the rebrand. I am sure someone csn correct me of fill in the blanks here.

I respect your efforts and work within the trust and SC but ultimately we have many different types of supporters which should be represented in some way at such meetings.

Ned

I answered some of these points earlier in this thread , but just to clarify

1. the invite list to these meetings has traditionally been based on the Supporters Trust, the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Association representatives as these are people who have been voted in by fans to represent their views, Of course they don`t represent every fan`s views as not everyone belongs to those groups (but a couple of thousand fans do).

2. the last couple of meetings have also included independent travel reps who are not necessarily members of the elected fans`groups to give (slightly) wider range of views.

3. despite unfounded claims to the contrary , the meetings are not tame and uncritical of the club`s directors. I can only speak for the Trust board when I say that we are not scared to ask awkward questions of the CCFC directors, have done so in the past, and will continue to do so. Those who say differently are either being misinformed or appear to have some alternative agenda.

4. You mention the Government White Paper. I have been heavily involved in this since the first Fans Led Review document was created in November 2021. I have reported on developments as they have occurred on the Trust website and by email to its individual members. The White Paper was due to be published on 8 February but has been delayed slightly and is now expected to be issued in the week beginning 20 February. I will do an update when it is published through the same channels , but don`t expect the final version to vary materially from the recommendations already reported on as it has received the full support of many politicians up to and including Prime Minister level and across all the major political parties.

5. As I mention earlier in this thread the new legislation will compel all EFL clubs to have a Fans Advisory Board which it will have to consult with regularly to discuss all important issues impacting on fans. The idea of meetings with a wider fanbase raised at the meeting on Saturday was to have meetings along these lines ahead of the legislation coming into full force, which is likely to be for the start of the 2024/25 season

Keith[/quote]

In response to point 1, a couple of thousand are in those groups, out og how many fans who are registered on the club database for purchssing tickets in some way shape or form?